New CBB rules

[BlueDaveil]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...cluding-agents-players-longer-postseason-bans

These seem long overdo. Hopefully more will be coming soon. Interesting what guys like Trevon would have done this year if they had the ability to return after being undrafted.

 

[Bod1ne]

The agent thing makes zero sense and is going to create a lot of issues between coaches and players. What are they going to do? Negotiate practice times? Negotiate which drills are acceptable to their client? What food is available and when?

I can't see K being ok with a player having a representative around all the time (or more than a normal parent would be around). Or, heaven forbid, making demands or requests that undermine his leadership or seperate one player from the rest.

Maybe I'm not seeing the big picture here, but this seems like a terrible idea.

 

[timo0402]

The agent thing makes zero sense and is going to create a lot of issues between coaches and players. What are they going to do? Negotiate practice times? Negotiate which drills are acceptable to their client? What food is available and when?

I can't see K being ok with a player having a representative around all the time (or more than a normal parent would be around). Or, heaven forbid, making demands or requests that undermine his leadership or seperate one player from the rest.

Maybe I'm not seeing the big picture here, but this seems like a terrible idea.

I disagree. In fact contrary to your assertion above, K actually said he wished kids had the ability to get an agent earlier. Having someone representing you that is a professional is only a good thing. I have felt for years there should be some way that kids that aren’t drafted should be able to go back to school with no penalty. Why would the NCAA penalize a kid who was turned down for a job? Makes no sense. The coaches might not like it but that’s their problem.

 

[sheyduke]

To add to what Tim said, even though their will be some under the table stuff. An agent can tell a top tier player that he needs to listen to what his coach is saying and quit being lazy and to give more effort.

They have to remember the agent gets some of that first contract so he’s not gonna do anything to harm the kid.

I seriously doubt any coach will give to cents what an agent will tell them but they along with the kids parents can all be on the same page to help the kids career.

 

[timo0402]

I think in many ways the coach would much much rather deal with the agent talking on behalf of their client than parents talking about their kid...

 

[Bod1ne]

I disagree. In fact contrary to your assertion above, K actually said he wished kids had the ability to get an agent earlier. Having someone representing you that is a professional is only a good thing. I have felt for years there should be some way that kids that aren’t drafted should be able to go back to school with no penalty. Why would the NCAA penalize a kid who was turned down for a job? Makes no sense. The coaches might not like it but that’s their problem.

I agree that kids should have the option to come back if not drafted. What I'm speaking of, and what causes concern, is the interaction between coach and agent during their time on campus.

 

[skysdad]

So we still haven't got rid of the one and done. Disappointed. OFC

 

[timo0402]

So we still haven't got rid of the one and done. Disappointed. OFC

That’s an nba decision. Has nothing to do with the NCAA.

 

[carolinablue34]

So we still haven't got rid of the one and done. Disappointed. OFC

Supposedly, Silver wants to get rid of it by 2021

 

[timo0402]

I agree that kids should have the option to come back if not drafted. What I'm speaking of, and what causes concern, is the interaction between coach and agent during their time on campus.

As i mentioned above, i bet you a vast majority of coaches would prefer to deal with professional agents than they would sketchy handlers, parents who are nuts and AAU coaches.

 

[Mac9192]

Ready, Fire, Aim!!!!!

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

If I understand correctly, this kinda gears things up for the soon to be age change...curious how all this is going to unfold, and change things.

 

[Bod1ne]

I think in many ways the coach would much much rather deal with the agent talking on behalf of their client than parents talking about their kid...

True.

Hopefully the NCAA will vet the approved agents to weed out those that will/do become disruptive to the schools normal operations. I can only imagine what a kid like OJ Mayo would be like to handle with an agent, while in school.

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

Makes for an interesting draft night not knowing whether to pull for our (bubble) guys to get drafted, or not, and possibly come back! Lol that’s selfish

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

Makes me also wonder what Duval would have done. Whens the last time a freshman declared and didn’t get drafted anyway? Sheeesh I bet he wouldn’t have come back.

 

[Bod1ne]

Makes for an interesting draft night not knowing whether to pull for our (bubble) guys to get drafted, or not, and possibly come back! Lol that’s selfish

Interesting point. What if a player doesn't get drafted, but his college team has recruited over him. Leaving no spot for him to return. Do they get to transfer without sitting a year?

Most teams will have a plan in place, but this situation will come up.

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

Interesting point. What if a player doesn't get drafted, but his college team has recruited over him. Leaving no spot for him to return. Do they get to transfer without sitting a year?

Most teams will have a plan in place, but this situation will come up.

I guess players would counter this by not committing until after the draft, I don’t know? Makes recruiting harder. Especially when you have to factor in this along with the soon to be age change as well.

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

What’s going to stop everybody from just declaring every year! Lol might as well just get rid of the dang (declare) and just put everybody in the draft every year! Lol! The agent $$$

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

I’m guessing it probably won’t change much, other then protecting the rare bonehead decisions like Duval made. Who’s to say he wanted to even come back anyway though? Lol

 

[timo0402]

True.

Hopefully the NCAA will vet the approved agents to weed out those that will/do become disruptive to the schools normal operations. I can only imagine what a kid like OJ Mayo would be like to handle with an agent, while in school.

It behooves the agents to do whatever is in the best interest of the kid long term- aka more money for them. If anything this should clean up a lot in terms of shadiness.

 

[pisgah101]

So pretty much every single player should put there name in and hope for the best

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...cluding-agents-players-longer-postseason-bans

These seem long overdo. Hopefully more will be coming soon. Interesting what guys like Trevon would have done this year if they had the ability to return after being undrafted.

"Among the significant changes that were adopted by the NCAA's board of governors and Division I board of directors are allowing elite high school basketball recruits and college players to be represented by agents who are certified by the NCAA...."

Sounds like the NCAA wants their cut.

 

[sheyduke]

So pretty much every single player should put there name in and hope for the best

No this should eliminate a lot of early entries. If you can get an agents insight about if you’ll be drafted period this will cause many kids not to declare. Even the early entries if not invited to the combine have to with draw from the draft ten days prior to the combine if wishing to return to school.

 

[bullcity gamer]

I do not believe in the notion of “players being recruited over”. Hate it when Duke haters say Coach K recruits over his players. He doesn’t recruit over his players, it’s up to his players to play well or lose their playing time. It’s like a job, those who perform best get the promotions etc. The problem is nowadays kids don’t want to fight for their playing time.

 

[pisgah101]

No this should eliminate a lot of early entries. If you can get an agents insight about if you’ll be drafted period this will cause many kids not to declare. Even the early entries if not invited to the combine have to with draw from the draft ten days prior to the combine if wishing to return to school.

Didn’t think of that. Hope so!

 

[jamsession3]

True.

Hopefully the NCAA will vet the approved agents to weed out those that will/do become disruptive to the schools normal operations. I can only imagine what a kid like OJ Mayo would be like to handle with an agent, while in school.

There will be OJ Mayo like players if the kid is not under some sort of logical and rational control by sophmsoph year in HS.

This may be the end of AAU, and the beginning not high level free agency in HS.

 

[jamsession3]

I do not believe in the notion of “players being recruited over”. Hate it when Duke haters say Coach K recruits over his players. He doesn’t recruit over his players, it’s up to his players to play well or lose their playing time. It’s like a job, those who perform best get the promotions etc. The problem is nowadays kids don’t want to fight for their playing time.

You are very idealistic. The pick up of Marvin Bagley was an over recruit situation. You already had Carter, Bolden and Vrank. Some could say the same for Jordan Tucker.

 

[timo0402]

You are very idealistic. The pick up of Marvin Bagley was an over recruit situation. You already had Carter, Bolden and Vrank. Some could say the same for Jordan Tucker.

Yes! Over recruiting! That makes sense

 

[bullcity gamer]

Who was Bagley recruited over? Carter started and both Bolden and DeLaurier played. I like Vrank, Bolden, and DeLaurier but not one of them is the player Bagley is. Who did Coach K recruit over Jordan Tucker? He was a 2 or 3 and had to compete against Allen, Gary Trent Jr, and O’Connell, he didn’t want to work and get better so he transferred out. Funny how Allen could say he was “recruited over” with the talent that surrounded him all 4 years at Duke, but he didn’t leave Duke, he stayed, worked on his game and got better. The talent I am talking about who he had to compete against was Tyus Jones, Quinn Cook, Justise Winslow, Matt Jones, Luke Kennard, Brandon Ingram, Derryck Thornton, Frank Jackson, Jayson Tatum, Trevon Duval, Gary Trent Jr, and Alex O’Connell. Some kids stick it out and work on their game like the Allens, Amile Jefferson’s, Matt Jones, Quinn Cooks, Nolan Smiths, Plumlees and other players freak out about the incoming talent and decide to bolt like the Deryck Thorntons, Jordan Tuckers, Michael Gbinijes, Chase Jeters

 

[timo0402]

Who was Bagley recruited over? Carter started and both Bolden and DeLaurier played. I like Vrank, Bolden, and DeLaurier but not one of them is the player Bagley is. Who did Coach K recruit over Jordan Tucker? He was a 2 or 3 and had to compete against Allen, Gary Trent Jr, and O’Connell, he didn’t want to work and get better so he transferred out. Funny how Allen could say he was “recruited over” with the talent that surrounded him all 4 years at Duke, but he didn’t leave Duke, he stayed, worked on his game and got better. The talent I am talking about who he had to compete against was Tyus Jones, Quinn Cook, Justise Winslow, Matt Jones, Luke Kennard, Brandon Ingram, Derryck Thornton, Frank Jackson, Jayson Tatum, Trevon Duval, Gary Trent Jr, and Alex O’Connell. Some kids stick it out and work on their game like the Allens, Amile Jefferson’s, Matt Jones, Quinn Cooks, Nolan Smiths, Plumlees and other players freak out about the incoming talent and decide to bolt like the Deryck Thorntons, Jordan Tuckers, Michael Gbinijes, Chase Jeters

Ironically, myself included, thought that Tucker would play over Alex last season. However, Alex out played him and got those minutes. Then the guy who begged for an offer transferred before his freshman season was even half way through.

 

[BlueDaveil]

Eesh. Guess we know the answer to what Tre would have done.

 

[bullcity gamer]

Disappointing that Trevon felt that way. I felt like he showed moments of greatness, against Michigan State, both regular season games against UNC, and in the Elite 8 against Kansas. I wish him nothing but the best and hope he makes it in the NBA, but again maybe he is one of those guys who was scared to lose his minutes to an incoming freshman (in this case Tre Jones), I think players who fear a Freshman will take their minutes are the same players who do not pan out in the NBA.

 

[jamsession3]

Who was Bagley recruited over? Carter started and both Bolden and DeLaurier played. I like Vrank, Bolden, and DeLaurier but not one of them is the player Bagley is. Who did Coach K recruit over Jordan Tucker? He was a 2 or 3 and had to compete against Allen, Gary Trent Jr, and O’Connell, he didn’t want to work and get better so he transferred out. Funny how Allen could say he was “recruited over” with the talent that surrounded him all 4 years at Duke, but he didn’t leave Duke, he stayed, worked on his game and got better. The talent I am talking about who he had to compete against was Tyus Jones, Quinn Cook, Justise Winslow, Matt Jones, Luke Kennard, Brandon Ingram, Derryck Thornton, Frank Jackson, Jayson Tatum, Trevon Duval, Gary Trent Jr, and Alex O’Connell. Some kids stick it out and work on their game like the Allens, Amile Jefferson’s, Matt Jones, Quinn Cooks, Nolan Smiths, Plumlees and other players freak out about the incoming talent and decide to bolt like the Deryck Thorntons, Jordan Tuckers, Michael Gbinijes, Chase Jeters

Allen never had an 'over-recruitment issue' . Allen was a starter from Sophomore to Senior year.

 

[jamsession3]

Who was Bagley recruited over? Carter started and both Bolden and DeLaurier played. I like Vrank, Bolden, and DeLaurier but not one of them is the player Bagley is. Who did Coach K recruit over Jordan Tucker? He was a 2 or 3 and had to compete against Allen, Gary Trent Jr, and O’Connell, he didn’t want to work and get better so he transferred out. Funny how Allen could say he was “recruited over” with the talent that surrounded him all 4 years at Duke, but he didn’t leave Duke, he stayed, worked on his game and got better. The talent I am talking about who he had to compete against was Tyus Jones, Quinn Cook, Justise Winslow, Matt Jones, Luke Kennard, Brandon Ingram, Derryck Thornton, Frank Jackson, Jayson Tatum, Trevon Duval, Gary Trent Jr, and Alex O’Connell. Some kids stick it out and work on their game like the Allens, Amile Jefferson’s, Matt Jones, Quinn Cooks, Nolan Smiths, Plumlees and other players freak out about the incoming talent and decide to bolt like the Deryck Thorntons, Jordan Tuckers, Michael Gbinijes, Chase Jeters

Mike G and Chase go on to be starters at their next schools. I don't know about Tucker. Thornton's people were just silly!!!!

 

[jamsession3]

Disappointing that Trevon felt that way. I felt like he showed moments of greatness, against Michigan State, both regular season games against UNC, and in the Elite 8 against Kansas. I wish him nothing but the best and hope he makes it in the NBA, but again maybe he is one of those guys who was scared to lose his minutes to an incoming freshman (in this case Tre Jones), I think players who fear a Freshman will take their minutes are the same players who do not pan out in the NBA.

If you think for a moment a 4 or 5 star recruit is not promised a starting or 6th man position coming into a school you're blind.

It's just part of the game and unfortunately, no, a 4 or 5 start recruit does not want to earn the spot. It should already be their for them!

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

No this should eliminate a lot of early entries. If you can get an agents insight about if you’ll be drafted period this will cause many kids not to declare. Even the early entries if not invited to the combine have to with draw from the draft ten days prior to the combine if wishing to return to school.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but I read players can return to school anyway, but they have to decide before Monday (after) the draft. Huh?

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

For 1. I don’t think K ( promises) anything again. Especially starting spots!! 2. Just my opinion. 3. nobody here can actually (prove) otherwise. 4. Duval....I didn’t think so, boneheaded, but wish him the best.

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

No this should eliminate a lot of early entries. If you can get an agents insight about if you’ll be drafted period this will cause many kids not to declare. Even the early entries if not invited to the combine have to with draw from the draft ten days prior to the combine if wishing to return to school.

I guess your saying if you get invited to the combine if you declare, that that gives you the chance to come back to school if not drafted? The players that don’t get invited that declare don’t have the option of coming back to school??? Lol I’m confused

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

We’ve had a not happy PG problem lately, or without one. 2 for likely the same reasons. P&R.(which they couldn’t execute consistently, or shoot evidently) shhhhh Dachamp..... Jones comes to the rescue!!...Jones was the last happy as well! (and good) Lol

 

[Mac9192]

Disappointing that Trevon felt that way. I felt like he showed moments of greatness, against Michigan State, both regular season games against UNC, and in the Elite 8 against Kansas. I wish him nothing but the best and hope he makes it in the NBA, but again maybe he is one of those guys who was scared to lose his minutes to an incoming freshman (in this case Tre Jones), I think players who fear a Freshman will take their minutes are the same players who do not pan out in the NBA.

Duval was a better point guard than what we saw. I'm just surprised we are just now hearing anything out of him or his "camp." We missed seeing him dazzle all year.
These kids must go pro. The next batch is being "promised" their time. It's why they come. Let's not kid ourselves. Thornton/Jackson, Jackson/Duval, Duval/Jones. K is protecting himself too.
No good answers to the one and done. We just hope the talent becomes a team.