BB Recruiting New 2019 Offer
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Interesting that he's top 150 but we're only his second high major offer. Would expect to see at least one or two others. I'm sure they'll come now that we've offered :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Edit: Even more puzzling, TOS has him in the top 100 and a 4 star, and with no offer from Iowa State or any other P5 school. #1 player in Louisiana. Weird. Gotta think more offers are on the way.
Edit: Even more puzzling, TOS has him in the top 100 and a 4 star, and with no offer from Iowa State or any other P5 school. #1 player in Louisiana. Weird. Gotta think more offers are on the way.
No program only offers 1 guy at each position.
yeah but me thinks the smell in the air on Hyatt and Mulcahy is "they're better than us" regardless of how hard Pike has worked them IF something better comes along. Hope I'm wrong but have seen this movie before as much as I've seen the March of the Wooden Soldiers and the Ten Commandments.
A few things on Mulcahy per my thoughts:
- When Pike met with him, I did not like Mulcahy's comments. He did not seem grateful and/or appreciative and made comments such as "Pike stated they really need me".
- If he is waiting on a Nova offer, I read somewhere that Nova is interested in Pace Mannion - a guard who may reclassify to 2019 from 2020. Don't know if they play similar games or positions etc.
I am not sure about smells in the air and I don't really know what that means.
People have mentioned Villanova as his dream, but, unless Mulcahy turns into an elite shooter over nite, I doubt they offer.
Majority of offers for 2019 kids will be extended during summer evaluation period. Unless they really stood out in the summer as a rising junior with 30+ games to play and only 3 assistants College staffs just dont have the ability to evaluate kids until summer camps. I wouldn’t focus on a kids’ offer list until August.
Interesting.
Is it better for a recruit to hear they really Need me or really Want me ? Maybe it does not matter and I'm splitting hairs.
Also some reporter was mentioning what a monster class Nova may have for 2019 and listed 7 possible recruits including Nic Mannion; Joe Girard; Josh Green etc - and Mulcahy was not mentioned.
Nova likes to shoot threes and they can likely land a higher rates better shooter every year. Doesn't make sense on either side for me really as he could have a bigger impact here
I don’t think we have room for any point guard
Think the two ships must be
Wing forward ...Hyatt or Massoud hopefully
Post player
If someone transfer ...number 3 would be a point guard
Think the two ships must be
Wing forward ...Hyatt or Massoud hopefully
Post player
If someone transfer ...number 3 would be a point guard
I think the difference between a coach needing a recruit and wanting a recruit is that needing a player conveys that the coach wants the recruit AND doesn’t have any or enough of what the player offers. So needing a player, I think, shows the player that he would be more highly valued when he joins the team, and thus probably could have a bigger role on the team.
That how I look at it.
Do we really have a point guard on the roster?
I guess we will find out in the next 2 years.
I guess the question is did we have one the last 2 years??....true point guard?? Not at all.....scoring/combo guard that can break down defenders..?? yes....
This year all we'll have is Geo/McConnell and then next year you add Young. None a true point, although McConnell almost looks like it in clips despite having the height/length to play anywhere out to the 3 spot.
You're going to have a lot of versatile pieces on the roster going forward so I don't think it's easy to say that we truly "need" a wing like Hyatt (would love it) anymore than we need a true pg. Thiam/Kiss/Harper/McConnell and even Mathis/Baker can all play at the 3. Eugene/Thiam/Harper/Carter/Doucoure can all play at the 4. I get what people want from Hyatt... thats kind of Harper's skill set too though.
You're going to have a lot of versatile pieces on the roster going forward so I don't think it's easy to say that we truly "need" a wing like Hyatt (would love it) anymore than we need a true pg. Thiam/Kiss/Harper/McConnell and even Mathis/Baker can all play at the 3. Eugene/Thiam/Harper/Carter/Doucoure can all play at the 4. I get what people want from Hyatt... thats kind of Harper's skill set too though.
aroma...what's cooking in the kitchen.
doesn't have to be Nova...just feel like we're being strung out and not getting the warm and fuzzies...given all the effort Pike has put in. Hey, that doesn't mean somebody has to come here just cause they've been stalked....(NOT saying Pike is doing that)....would like just to hear some interest in RU...."I'm very interested in Rutgers" (which doesn't mean nobody else) vs. "Rutgers really wants me".
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No, we didn't have a true point guard the last two seasons. And we finished in last place both years. Not a coincidence.
Really? If you think that was the reason, you have a lot to learn what was wrong with the program prior to Coach Pike taking over.
127 of the 2019 Rivals Top 150 are uncommitted. It's super early for 2019.
We don't need a point guard, we need ballhandlers. If some combination of Baker, McConnell, Mathis, and Harper can bring the ball up the court without being stymied, we'll be fine. Straight-up slash-and-kick basketball is dying... it's about movement, screens, and creating passing angles.
Editing to add: Obviously that's three freshman and a sophomore we're relying on. Everyone should be ready for more turnovers next season. Ideally the shooting will be much better and more than cancel that out.
Editing to add: Obviously that's three freshman and a sophomore we're relying on. Everyone should be ready for more turnovers next season. Ideally the shooting will be much better and more than cancel that out.
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I get what your saying but do you think any of the guys you mentioned have the speed to penetrate and either dish, score or get to the line and hit their free throws consistently? When the shot clock is down to 10 and there were no other options, we gave the ball to Corey. And without any screens, he did what he could to score. His ball handling skills were just okay and his jumper got better but we were so dependent on him. The better teams had a guy who would take the ball to hoop or find open players cutting to the basket. That was what we were missing with Corey. I don’t know enough about mccconell or Mathis. But from the video I’ve watched it doesn’t look like they are very speedy guards and Harper is far from speedy and may not even be a guard?
Dribble penetration will always have a role in basketball. Teams are taking what....25 three's a game (guess), that still leaves a lot of shots for "traditional" basketball....and ball screens /movement have always been a big part of offensive basketball.
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I think the difference is that other than Corey, Geo, and Eugene (who really wanted the ball at times), everyone else was so gun shy that we ended up in the situation you're mentioning, with Corey pounding the rock and a dwindling shot clock. (Let's not mention the Freeman black-hole in the post...)
From what I've seen of Peter Kiss, Montez Mathis, McConnell, and Ron Harper Jr., none of them are going to hesitate to take a shot within the flow of the offense the way Issa and others would at times last year. In fact, most of them look like they go after their shot pretty aggressively, which will completely change the way a defense has to guard our team. Plus, at times we'll have Myles Johnson in the post looking for cutters the way Getty's did two years ago, if reports on his passing are to be believed. So the offense will look very different, and hopefully we won't end up with anyone standing there needing to get in the lane on pure speed.
That being said, Montez Mathis is a pretty good slasher, so I don't doubt he can do it if there's some spacing on the offense that's opening up lanes.
I guess the real question is the definition of a "true point guard."
If it is a guy whose primary function is to facilitate the offense and get the ball in the right people's hands and makes others better. NO.
If it is the guy who has the pipeline in to the coach and is trusted with the ball as a good ball handler. YES.
To be honest I am not sure what I want the roster to look like. I know I can't watch more of a lineup with a guard that is not a perimeter threat. I am not sure how necessary it is to have more than 4 bigs on the roster...are the days of the prototype power forward a thing of the past? can we go to war with Harpers and Thiams and other 6'6''+ guys as our 4th perimeter player?
You can't have ball movement to players that cannot catch and shoot, cannot drive and pull up and cannot generate their own offense....Mike Williams was a catch and shoot guard, not a player to create off the dribble.....Freeman, Thiam, Eugene, the bigs are not going to be players that are dribble/shoot/pass/score.
While Sanders was used to minimize risk/turnovers and if you missed, maybe you get an offensive rebound, this year, you go from Sanders and Baker being the only guards to generate their own offense, to Baker, Mathis, Kiss, McConnell and Jacob Young in 2019-2020.
At worse, if you want to add Harper to that list, that would be fine, but I don't view Harper as a true guard (although he has guard skill-sets).....the offense (because of limits on the players inherited), were not able to do more things, which meant, Sanders, go try and generate one on one and if not, Geo, hopefully pitched in.
It's a new offense and adding another guard like this player and/or Mulcahy or grad transfer for this season, will help move the ball to generate shots....
It's similar to football, with Gio as your QB....you cannot go shotgun, 4 WR and ask a player to make 20 yard throws, if the QB isn't capable of doing it....in this case, it will take time to sort out how the shots will be spread out, but kcg88 is 100% correct....if you want movement, expect bad passes, some turnovers to increase, some other things OR, you restrict the offense and ask Geo to create 1 on 1, eliminate turnovers and ask Geo to make shots or passes, under 6 seconds on the shot clock.
While Sanders was used to minimize risk/turnovers and if you missed, maybe you get an offensive rebound, this year, you go from Sanders and Baker being the only guards to generate their own offense, to Baker, Mathis, Kiss, McConnell and Jacob Young in 2019-2020.
At worse, if you want to add Harper to that list, that would be fine, but I don't view Harper as a true guard (although he has guard skill-sets).....the offense (because of limits on the players inherited), were not able to do more things, which meant, Sanders, go try and generate one on one and if not, Geo, hopefully pitched in.
It's a new offense and adding another guard like this player and/or Mulcahy or grad transfer for this season, will help move the ball to generate shots....
It's similar to football, with Gio as your QB....you cannot go shotgun, 4 WR and ask a player to make 20 yard throws, if the QB isn't capable of doing it....in this case, it will take time to sort out how the shots will be spread out, but kcg88 is 100% correct....if you want movement, expect bad passes, some turnovers to increase, some other things OR, you restrict the offense and ask Geo to create 1 on 1, eliminate turnovers and ask Geo to make shots or passes, under 6 seconds on the shot clock.
One things for sure. Souf was brought in to facilitate the offense but since he couldn’t shoot, he was worthless. I think you need shooters on the court at all times but the speed of the offensive sets needs one to two guys who could take the ball to the hoop and create a half court set that’s much more difficult to defend than what we’ve had around here. I never understood why more screens weren’t set even for Corey but I’m just a basketball fan watching from section 203.
I agree but it's not the only way to do things and many more teams are realizing that.
Last year, our offense was almost entirely a series of dribble handoffs followed by Corey (or Geo) trying to drive, the defense collapsing on him, and him throwing up a prayer. As NJH says, this minimizes turnovers but isn't exactly an efficient way to run an offense. But given the options it may have been the best shot.
About 15 times last season Thiam would get the ball, make a move, and get to the rim. And that was great! Even if he missed more of those than he should've. I kept wanting to see that type of thing be a bigger part of the offense all season. But of course the personnel is a limiting factor, and Thiam didn't see comfortable with it.
Kiss, Harper, Mathis... hopefully they'll be able to do that. Hopefully Thiam becomes more confident. Hopefully Eugene develops a jumper to keep teams honest because he has great footwork inside, but even great footwork doesn't equal a basket when you can't get any space because the defense can sag off.
Less dribbling, more passing. That should be the mantra. It'll lead to more turnovers but it should also lead to higher-quality shots being taken. And we'll have better shooters taking those shots.
Playing devil's advocate with you....and not necessarily disagreeing!
Could/should Sanders have been asked to penetrate more with the intent of passing. Corey could beat anyone off the dribble, but it really didn't translate to much. With dribble penetration Baker and Issa and Williams were capable of catch and shoot OR catch one swing pass and a shot.
It was very rare that Sanders got in to the paint with the intent to pass.
Could/should Sanders have been asked to penetrate more with the intent of passing. Corey could beat anyone off the dribble, but it really didn't translate to much. With dribble penetration Baker and Issa and Williams were capable of catch and shoot OR catch one swing pass and a shot.
It was very rare that Sanders got in to the paint with the intent to pass.
I would have liked to see it. Also might have helped Corey show that he could be more of a true point guard, and maybe kept defenses honest instead of collapsing on him constantly.
Bottom line. I still think we might need a Mulcahy or Mylick Wilson. But, if you told me that we were getting Hyatt and Massoud and couldn’t take a true point guard, I would do that first and take my chances with the guards we have.
Not saying we are getting Hyatt and Massoud but if I was your accountant, that’s what I would do.
Not saying we are getting Hyatt and Massoud but if I was your accountant, that’s what I would do.
a good number of those were passing up an open 3.
Issa is not a slasher, he is a shooter. We need volume shooting out of Issa in the 36+% area from 3. He is a willing defender and will make the exra pass. Add an interior move or 2 to keep opponents honest who want to put a 6'2'' guy on him and we have something.
My expectation (sorry to those who are offended) is the removal of freeman (primarily) and sanders (secondarily) will make Issa a better offensive player. I expect/hope he comes out of his shell and stops playing timid.
Going out on a limb here.........don't need Mulcahy.
Sina and Mulcahy are opposites in terms of players. They both played against the same weak competition in HS and both enjoyed padded (as in phantom) assist and other stat totals at GSB.
Players aren't rated on HS stats....they rise and fall or level off, based on their spring and summer play in AAU....The status of what offers Mulcahy does or doesn't earn, will be dictated on the next 4 months, not what was done against Rutgers Prep (who happens to be building a powerhouse, if they can keep their freshman) for GSB.
The offer of the Louisiana kid has nothing to do with anything else other than seeing a player in recent weekends and the player earning an offer from RU...how far it goes, remains to be seen.....the stats of this kid on Louisiana for HS look more than good enough, but what happens now, will determine if other SEC or B12 schools get involved.....just like any other recruit.
RU again, only has 2 spots for 2019....there are upwards of 15-20+ offers already out....plus others that will be made in the upcoming weeks and into the fall as late blooming and soon to be seniors improve their stock. August is really the time to focus on this, it's very, very early in the 2019 gameplan right now.
The offer of the Louisiana kid has nothing to do with anything else other than seeing a player in recent weekends and the player earning an offer from RU...how far it goes, remains to be seen.....the stats of this kid on Louisiana for HS look more than good enough, but what happens now, will determine if other SEC or B12 schools get involved.....just like any other recruit.
RU again, only has 2 spots for 2019....there are upwards of 15-20+ offers already out....plus others that will be made in the upcoming weeks and into the fall as late blooming and soon to be seniors improve their stock. August is really the time to focus on this, it's very, very early in the 2019 gameplan right now.