Putting aside how the OM administration handled the investigation, and putting aside the lack of institutional control charge, for anyone who can make the comparison: how much have schools been punished that cheated similarly to how Ole Miss did? How were the coaches who got 'failure to monitor' treated? And if the LOIC sticks, what is the least a program has ever gotten for it?
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Death penalty. The only school ever accused of cheating as rampantly as OM was SMU.
Under the new penalty matrix, you guys are far and away the most egregious violators.
Under the new penalty matrix, you guys are far and away the most egregious violators.
Here you go: http://247sports.com/Article/Histor...-against-Ole-Miss-football-will-be-s-51445120
It would seem to me that the best OM can hope for is the 2002 Kentucky scenario.
But you have to also consider the fact that the penalty levels and matrix have changed since these cases. So best of luck, but everyone knows OM is screwed.
It would seem to me that the best OM can hope for is the 2002 Kentucky scenario.
But you have to also consider the fact that the penalty levels and matrix have changed since these cases. So best of luck, but everyone knows OM is screwed.
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It's hard to compare with the new matrix in place but it is clear that the focus
now is going after coaches and boosters hard where that was not the case in the past. I have said since the beginning that this case would end up similar to USC which lost 30 schollies but there should also be multiple show causes and another year on the bowl ban I believe due to the high number of allegations, their severity and Ole Miss's protect Freeze at all cost strategy.
now is going after coaches and boosters hard where that was not the case in the past. I have said since the beginning that this case would end up similar to USC which lost 30 schollies but there should also be multiple show causes and another year on the bowl ban I believe due to the high number of allegations, their severity and Ole Miss's protect Freeze at all cost strategy.
Ole Miss has the 'honor' of being the first school in football to go before the COI under the new matrix. It's also odd because some of the charges will be using the old standards, so anything under Nutt's watch will fall there.
As far as the 'failure to monitor' I believe given the number of coaches involved in allegations, it will be pretty stiff. I think Freeze will get at least a one year suspension for that alone. However, he is named in a Level 1 violation for improper recruiting (allegation 5, sections e, j, and o). The COI, under the new matrix, has already handed out show cause decisions to other coaches at other schools for less. I will be absolutely shocked if he isn't given a show cause.
As for the rest, according to the matrix the football program is getting nuked if it all holds up. I personally think they could go in the neighborhood of 60 scholarships and still not max out the penalties. But honestly, who knows?
I haven't even attempted to read the new NCAA guidelines but I strongly suspect there is enough "fine print' that they have a bunch of latitude in the amount of punishment they hand out even though there is a lot of tough talk in their new policy. As usual be prepared to be disappointed if you're a State fan.
honestly, nobody knows what the NCAA wants to do. their history is all over the place from stepping in and going way overboard and out of their jurisdiction (penn state) to botching cases wildly (miami). therein lies fear and comfort if you are in their cross-hairs. if they go lightly, they will all but pull any teeth they have remaining and would have wasted a tremendous amount of time and resources. they appear to want freeze and om admins have stood by the man that the ncaa looks to be after. i think that will be a huge miscalculation when its all said and done. nobody knows to what extent because if the ncaa is anything, it is consistently inconsistent.
Comparing the NCAA of today to the NCAA of the past is like comparing Miss. State under Mullen to Miss. State under Crooms. Totally different even though the names of the organizations are the same.
If they get a 2 yr. bowl ban, 4 yrs probation and the entire staff along with Bjork are gone, they will definitely get more than 24 over 4. Plus, you can't say entire staff because half of them are new and weren't here under the allegations.
Maybe, but I'm not so sure. There has been much talk about this case through the coaching ranks. If they go light, coaches have said it is a green light to everyone else to ramp up the cheating. The blatant way Ole Miss cheated lends itself to harsher penalties in the eyes of coaches and their staffs.
based on what evidence? all we can judge is based on what they have done in the past. they have proven time and again to be wildly inconsistent and until they prove that they can follow their own directives, its time to assume they will do what they have done in the past. fwiw, i think om is going to get hammered, but nobody knows anything and nothing near the severity of the om situation has come up with the new matrix.
i don't think the NCAA ever in their wildest dreams envisioned the level of institutionalized corruption they have seen in the past 5 years....i'm surprised they haven't gotten the FBI involved investigating for RICO-teering (hint: this would be what i think the "network" is all about), but then maybe they have and we just haven't heard....oh well, it's make for an interesting chapter in "Flim-Flam".....
My prediction is 32 over 4-5 years and a two year bowl ban. My rationale is that the NCAA will sanction Ole Miss just a bit harsher than they did USC because they have to show some muscle. However, following the second NOA, had Ole Miss cleaned house, they would have gotten around 20 over 4 and maybe a 2 year bowl ban. Just my opinion. Why Ole Miss is clinging to Freeze is beyond me. My best guess is if they had it to do over again, Freeze and the rest would have been shown the door along with BF. Now, they are between the proverbial rock and hard place.
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doubt it
only way i see this possible is for non-conference game. even then i think it is a long shot unless you guys are banned from playing for a year
only way i see this possible is for non-conference game. even then i think it is a long shot unless you guys are banned from playing for a year
It may eventually go to court but unless it is given special treatment it won't
be anytime soon which sort of makes it moot to me. If it is given special treatment and fast tracked then a whole lot of people are going to be answering a whole lot of questions.
be anytime soon which sort of makes it moot to me. If it is given special treatment and fast tracked then a whole lot of people are going to be answering a whole lot of questions.
I don't think Ole Miss has to worry about a TV ban. The NCAA has to keep Power 5 conferences happy. They are not going to want anything to screw with their cash cow.
Jung, you seem like an intelligent & rational guy. Why aren't you asking your brethren these things? Or did I just answer my own question above?
There isn't a similar case. Boeheim got 9 games for failure to monitor. Which is a 3rd of a season. But he wasn't mentioned in their violations similar to Freeze. Neither was Pitino. I'd say your penalties in the early 90's is the most relevant case. That was LOIC. But at the time it was bad. So bad it was described as the worst since Smu. Which was only a few years before.
I'd say this is going to be considerably worse. And this time the media is going to ask the question"what is it going to take to prevent om from doing this again?"
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