What is one person's 'progress' is another person's weakening of the country. Rioting, looting, arson, anarchy are at levels I've never witnessed before. I think your definition of progress is seriously f^&$%d up.
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The key point of these protests is "something needs to be done about this, something needs to change, police shouldn't keep getting away with it." What is there to protest over when a murderer murders and is promptly found, arrested, and will certainly never see freedom again? Evil people will always do evil things. We expect the laws and the justice system to respond to those evil people doing evil things, and they largely do. "Let's all get outraged over this individual black murderer who has already been arrested" is just playing on white racial resentment to distract from the actual point.
Just FYI the focus is on police violence here but the overall issue is that black people are treated unfairly by police, the court system, and financial institutions in America. This is undeniable and if you disagree I can provide peer reviewed research publications that show it.
While the police killings have triggered a lot of protest, the fuel is the pent up frustration of living a life where you are at a disadvantage due to the color of your skin.
While the police killings have triggered a lot of protest, the fuel is the pent up frustration of living a life where you are at a disadvantage due to the color of your skin.
So what, someone gets arrested and we just, stop caring? Nothing will bring the boy's life back to life. Some kid is got shot today, somewhere. I try not to pay attention to it. So this kid getting killed didn't affect me much. But, to see there be very little attention given to him, from a side that's supposedly SO passionate over such wrong-doings, it just rings false to me.
Again, poor and trailer trash whites are getting shot, beaten, apprehended, judged by their past.. all over America. No one cares. The left doesn't care. BLM certainly don't care. Lebron doesn't care.
This is more of a cop issue, not a race issue.
It doesn't have to be an either or. As I've said on here before, if an issue that affects everybody disproportionately affects a certain group (for whatever reason), that group is going to be the one you hear from the loudest, that group is going to view apathy from the general public negatively, and that group is going to view the issue and organize around the issue as it relates to that group.
The problem is a good portion of America doesn't like to adhere to authority or even have respect for it. Poor parenting is the cause and the above is the effect.
Defunding the police is progress? Id hate the see what that ‘progress’ looks like in the future, especially if it continues to be an ‘answer’ to these issues.
Haven't others here posted numerous stats on the number of cops killing whites as opposed to blacks, refuting a lot of that? Not to mention the the crimes rates between blacks and whites?
And as I've also said before - where do you take that? "Whites get killed too, so I stand with you and will help change things," or "Whites get killed too, so you should passively accept it like I do?"
My largest issue is that a group of people (who blindly support BLM), are incredibly quick to say they want everyone to be viewed the same and not based on skin color, yet are the first ones to also blindly play the race card in any situation. The hypocrisy is pathetic.
When adjusted for population this study shows black people are twice as likely to be killed by cops than whites.
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s11524-020-00430-0.pdf
There are also numerous studies that show how black people are treated worse than white people by police and the court systems. Including being 3.5 times more likely to be arrested for possession of marijuana, given 25% longer prison sentences, and being 74% more likely to be sent back to prison for minor parole violations.
And adjusted for population, do they commit more crimes?
Ok why resist arrest?? It's like they are looking for trouble. I guess nobody cares that the dude had a warrant for sexually assaulting a 13yr old girl. He also had a gun at a bar and pointed at people.
Maybe he shouldn't have been shot but don't freaking resist arrest. it's that simple
Maybe he shouldn't have been shot but don't freaking resist arrest. it's that simple
I mean, not for nothing, but a duke fan whose program was built on white privilege, lecturing me about race issues.. kinda makes me laugh.
You think Laettner gets away with stomping on a player if he was black and playing for some lesser school?
You think Laettner gets away with stomping on a player if he was black and playing for some lesser school?
As someone who grew up and currently lives in eastern KY but has been planning on moving for like a year. Cities are getting less and less appealing to me
maybe I’ll stay in the hills. It’s quiet
maybe I’ll stay in the hills. It’s quiet
My largest issue is that a group of people (who blindly support BLM), are incredibly quick to say they want everyone to be viewed the same and not based on skin color, yet are the first ones to also blindly play the race card in any situation. The hypocrisy is pathetic.
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That's because they don't want that.
I wonder what percentage of NBA players have the slightest as to the damage they are doing to their futures? I promise you the owners do they just don't have the stomach to try to rectify the situation and be labeled a racist.
The league will contract in value and these current players will feel it in their contracts before too long.
The league will contract in value and these current players will feel it in their contracts before too long.
At least some of them must understand that and they are doing it anyway, which I have to kind of admire even though they're wrong.
I think the more interesting question is whether there is any dissent at all in these locker rooms.
Yes they do. Or at least they are arrested for more crimes.
IMO (probably partially based on political stance as well as how my brain works from a logical perspective) 2 of the best takes on the situation are the one Marcellus Wiley had on one show on ESPN, and Jocko on Joe Rogans Podcast talking about the police brutality issue
Well you know what? We wouldn’t have that all going on if people would ******* listen when other protest peacefully. That’s what happens when people refuse to listen and treat other people as human beings.
But no, they peacefully protest and they get told to shut up (or shut up and dribble), it’s not that bad, you’re just race baiting, your over exaggerating, you’re disrespecting the flag and the troops, or worse and often with racist terminology thrown in the mix. And then largely nothing changes.
But then they get told to vote. Then the legislatures engage in voter suppression by gerrymandering the minority vote to weaken its impact, reduce polling precincts in minority areas or remove them entirely, reduce the number of voting machines and poll workers in minority precincts so they have to wait in line longer, put in poll taxes (see what Florida has done for ex-cons), put in place voting laws that disproportionately impact minorities.
Then when they start rioting, they get called thugs and other racist or racially loaded terms and that this doesn’t work, you need to peacefully protest? And then the cycle repeats.
Just ******* listen. A whole lot of bad stuff that happens in this world could be avoided if people would just ******* listen. But they don’t want to. They just want to bury their heads in the sand and ignore the problem instead of accepting responsibility for it and trying to help fix it.
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Big paint brush you are using. I support BLM but I do not blindly support any organization or group. Well, except UK basketball.
Let's all protest for a thug rapist.I guess nobody cared about the girl he is accused of raping.
It is amazing that it takes rioting, looting, arson, and anarchy to bring murder to your awareness. Your priorities are all screwed up when you place material things over a life but maybe you believe in the three-fifths compromise.
Thinking about moving back there. got my eye on a nice little piece of prime real estate in lost creek, although i hear urban sprawl has pushed the population there to nearly 1000.
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these people are following the marxist playbook of how to start a revolution
“hey you didn’t listen to us when we protested at the courthouse so we’re gonna burn down your family business and beat you to near death sound good?”.
Their approach, premised in part on Marxist-Leninist values, radically differs from my generation's non-violent approach to highlighting racial injustices through peaceful, non-violent means.
I’ve got news for you, I was and still am listening to the peaceful protesters. What I’m not listening to are all of the other ******** who are just in it for themselves and their own cause. Unfortunately, the peaceful voices are being drowned out by the selfish ********.
This statement really makes no sense and doesn’t apply to me at all. But by all means, continue making **** up.
Id venture to say a majority of people, predominantly african american, are the quickest ones to view race in situations, especially in the current climate. Just my opinion in that the race relations, one perpetuated and brought forefront by a movement such as BLM, make people see any negative white/black interaction as racially motived because of the presence of systemic racism, like its trickled down into the white masses (which just really isnt the case. Yes there are racists sprinkled around everywhere, but its almost as if the movement wants you to believe almost everything negative is racism).
I do believe in systemic racism, i think anyone who disagrees has there head buried in the sand, but i dont think the movement isnt guided entirely properly. You can want to reform, overhaul or dismantle particular systems that you believe oppress the AA community and POC in general, but they should also emphasize looking within black communities and the traditional family as a contributing factor for some of the issues placed on the black community.
Both sides need to change. Both sides need introspection. The problem is politics play a major part, long lasting change will take time (which no one wants to hear) and also just IMO which anyone is free to disagree with, the left push this false agenda of ‘everything is racially motivated’ more than anyone to stir things for their own political gain.
there are blind supporters though, many people dont care to even read facts on some of these murders that occurred months ago. They see a story on twitter or facebook and thats all the knowledge they care to obtain without staying educated and up to date or really educated on facts to begin with. There is a large group that is entirely reactive without trying to be proactive.
Now of course they arent the only ones as similarly could be said of police, often times reactive instead of proactive (especially now as it seems there are members of the oppressed communities who seek out conflict with police).
As Tom Cruise in Jerry Maguire said “we live in a cynical world.” Currently hoping the phrase “things get worse before they get better” holds true. But hopefully they dont get much worse lol
go big blue
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Right or wrong, AAs are going to have to come to the table first to fix this. You're never going to be able to force the larger in-power group to acquiesce and just hand over their money. Especially when that group, technically, never did anything wrong (just their ancestors did). You cant just burn cities like this and have the rest of the population be OK with it.
Legalization, stops mass incarceration, and the hope is to keep fathers in the household. It will take a generation or two to fix.. but that's how it starts. Im sure someone will laugh, but id like to hear how else we solve this that isnt just reparations, handouts and affirmative action.
Legalization, stops mass incarceration, and the hope is to keep fathers in the household. It will take a generation or two to fix.. but that's how it starts. Im sure someone will laugh, but id like to hear how else we solve this that isnt just reparations, handouts and affirmative action.
lol at saying the current generations of people has never done anything wrong. Racism and discrimination is carried out every single day by people alive today, it didn’t die when the Civil War ended, it didn’t stop with the Civil Rights Movement of the 50s and 60s.
I think you just put into words the thoughts that I have been trying to piece together to make sense of how we even ended up in this place as a country. Beautifully said. Human compassion and empathy goes a long way but we've got one hell of a shortage of it.
Kenny Smith walked off the set too. 1. He had nothing left to cover so seems weak. 2. I pray he never comes back.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm kind of bummed the NBA is boycotting tonight. I wasn't planning on watching anyway, but now I have to find something else to not watch in it's place.