What happens when little Johnny wants to play more so he can show off his talent and make more off his NIL?? Someone is going to be pissed at the coach and start a war on the team...
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What happens when little Johnny wants to play more so he can show off his talent and make more off his NIL?? Someone is going to be pissed at the coach and start a war on the team...
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How is that different than little Johnny trying to show off to improve his draft stock?
Then I suggest investing in a local D2 or D3 school. Talent is still good and everything you described still applies there. As for D1 and Kentucky it’s a business now. If you want Kentucky to keep being Kentucky then this has to happen and happen ASAP or we will be left behind and so will college basketball as a whole.
These world class athletes don’t need or want a college education so quit trying to say that’s payment.
That begs another question. If they don't need or want a college education, why are they there?
I also agree that they are already being paid. They get a free education whether they want it or care about it or not. It’s agreed upon in exchange for their service as an athlete for the school. It’s just the same as your paycheck. You can also choose to burn your paycheck if you don’t want it. That’s your prerogative.
however, I still also believe they have the right to earn money of their name and likeness. Again, because this is America and it’s none of your business now another man makes his money.
lots of folks won’t like it because their hearts are nostalgic.
however, I still also believe they have the right to earn money of their name and likeness. Again, because this is America and it’s none of your business now another man makes his money.
lots of folks won’t like it because their hearts are nostalgic.
The value of protecting whats left of amateurism is obvious, even to the courts. If not for the outright buying of players that is guaranteed to occur, no one would care about their earning money.
That said, an organization has the right to set rules. If someone wants to join the organization, they agree to abide by the rules. No one is forcing anyone to go to college and no college student is forced to play sports. You talk like a neighbor is trying to prevent Billybob from working at Lowes or something.
It’s a black and white issue. Nobody should be able to prevent billybob from working at Lowe’s. Same as nobody should be able to prevent Anthony Davis from holding an autograph signing.
As a wise man once sang, "The times they are a-changing".
I can see this as becoming a real advantage for Kentucky recruiting.
I can see this as becoming a real advantage for Kentucky recruiting.
I said the same thing earlier. The NCAA has no one to blame but themselves. They thought if they just say back and ignored it, all the chatter would go away. They should have put a plan that would have allowed athletes to be compensated while still maintaining control. Now it’s to a point they will have no control. Pathetic leadership.
No one is unless he has decided to play NCAA basketball. Again, there are known rules. If you don't like them, don't play NCAA basketball.
Yes, when it is made "legal", there is no way they'll be able to control it at all. I absolutely believe this, in combination with the transfer portal (free agency), will kill the real basis for fans love of college sports. It will take some time to play out but the passion for college sports is already dying and turning it into a pro league will just speed up its demise.
Regardless of the passion of our fans, which has already declined, Lexington is a small market and Kentucky is a poor state.
So if top players decide to go the direction to where they can be paid your ok with that? Even though it will see the talent level of college decline. I understand your point of view. They have a decision to be an amateur or a pro. It will however speed up the demise of the already sinking college basketball game. The kids today do not have the same level of thinking as 25 years ago. When all there is are kids that just want an education playing college hoops do you think things like tv ratings and sponsorship will go up? What we are going to see is more and more paying options start to creep up. You will see g-league salaries increase again maybe even have more than one tier of minor league like baseball. NIL may be the only way we can compete with that
We however recruit at a level that it doesn't have to just be local money. Some of our kids will get shoe contracts and other national sponsorships
Yes, I'm ok with that. Get rid of the OAD's and basketball will be better for it.
But that can happen anywhere. What made UK special, the deep passion most of the state had for the program, will become insignificant. It doesn't pay well.
Or…….the Stone Age NCAA makes a long overdue change and amends their rules. It’s the right thing to do.
I wish Maurice clarette would have won his lawsuit a few years ago too.
It will be "right" for a small group for a short time. But, hey, so long as the entitled generation gets their way everything will be great, right?
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Ehh. I live in northern Kentucky and I've had just as much fun over the past 5 years watching NKU make the transition from D2 to D1 ball, as I've had following UK.
This will be the end of big-time college basketball and what you will end up seeing in 10-15 years will more closely mirror college or minor league baseball...for good or for bad. If I'm going to watch professional players, I'd much rather watch the best in the world in the NBA.
Stipends aren't exactly good, kids go hungry all the time. Medical is iffy because other than about 8 schools, no one is offering a full 4 year scholarship. So if you tear a acl at let's say South Carolina, they can throw you away. Guys deserve a cut when sponsors are willing to pay because what happens when they get a career ending injury and never get the pro deal? They at least got a decent start with endorsements
I'm not sure any of that is true, but if it I'm all for improving it. I'm all for increasing the stipend as well, as long as it something all schools could realistically provide. I would think you would also have Title IX implications there. You could also open up more benefits currently unavailable, such as allowing schools to pay for parents travel to games.
I've thought about it and I think a fair compromise (which will never happen), would be to allow student athletes to profit off their likeness after their sophomore year. They could sign endorsement deals and even with an agent, if they would like. This allows schools to recruit (mostly) without promises of immediate, direct compensation. This is a fair balance, you allow time to be a true amateur and rise to prominence using the platform provided by the school, and you are then allowed to cash in while still representing the school. You'd have to work out the kinks with transfers or whatever, but I have a lot less of a problem with a Junior UK player doing car dealership commercials than a Freshman with one foot out the door.
Yeah that's a expense right there for family. Title 9 though isn't a factor because it's off image and likeness. The school doesn't directly pay the players in the scenario.
“Entitled”……as a matter of fact yes I believe any man is entitled to earn money in an open market. I don’t like an entity handcuffing a person and stripping them of their right to make a living. What exactly is your issue with this?
Almost all of it to some degree. D1 players have access to unlimited food on campus. That has been the case for a while but should have always been the case.
The stipends are fine.
Why would you claim "medical" is iffy except at about 8 schools? That makes no sense.
Its rare that scholarships are canceled due to injury but I agree, it should never happen.
While I understand why a school can pull a scholarship, it should never happen due to injury and should be very rare otherwise. The schools should be required to find the player an adequate scholarship elsewhere or honor it until the player runs out of eligibility.
A cut of what exactly? Revenue sharing us a horrible idea.
The opportunity for the purchasing of players. Again, if the kid doesn't like the rules he doesn't have to join the club.
Medical is iffy because they can choose to just cut you if you can't perform off a injury. I know a ex player that was living off ramen at a powerhouse football school. Things were especially bad during the pandemic when stipends would be weeks late.
That happens VERY rarely and last year isn't a good barometer of anything.
I don’t think there is any proposed scenario where schools can “purchase” players. This is about autograph signings, sponsorships, tv commercials, etc. There will be protocols everyone has to follow. You may suspect schools will find a way to game the system but that’s a hypothetical and that’s a waste of time at this point.
we are going around in circles. Of course the kids don’t have to join the club, that’s not the point. The point is the club needs to change its rules.
It really comes down to the fact that a bunch of old white dudes don't like a bunch of young black dudes charging for their autograph. It is felt that because they get a college scholarship they should put up with a bunch of fans wanting them to do what the fans want them to do and allow everyone around them to get rich while they don't have any money, with the promise that if you work hard and make it, you'll have money. The kids with scholarships in the engineering program would not put up with that.