Mullen: If you could take him back

[GloryDawg]

LOL, when you get to pick your data you can always back up what you say. You get fired for doing what you are doing in science. The FACT, backed up by the stats, is that our offense is one of the worst in the SEC. It doesn't fit the "high powered air raid" Our lack of scoring is why we are struggling to win games. It's also like watching paint dry, even when it is working.

Between me, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett we have a few billion in the bank.

 

[was21]

At the end of the day he may just be jaded with the college game

 

[GloryDawg]

Merlin did do a lot of great things, but you’re having ex-girlfriend amnesia with him. Yeah, he was great for us and to us but towards the end he just wasn’t into us. He kept looking for that next thing. That’s why I have a huge distaste for him. I appreciate what he did to our program, but he left us well before he took the Flarda job. It took a toll on our program’s progression and recruiting. And he never stepped in to squelch any of the rumors. That issue was really insulting.

I don't have a problem with a coach looking. It's a job and many people are looking for the next one. My problem with it, seemed that we lost several Egg Bowls because of it. His mind was not on the game. Winning that game should have been the most important think on his mind and it was not. That's my perception. Others might agree and other not.

 

[Drebin]

Your theory is not true. Florida is the proof.

So everyone has forgotten about him interviewing for NFL jobs last year?

 

[johnson86-1]

At the end of the day he may just be jaded with the college game

Which I would completely get. He was never enamored of kissing high school players' asses. I can't imagine having tens of millions of dollars in the bank helps that issue.

I personally would much rather have the grind of the NFL and the longer season in exchange for not having to recruit.

 

[paindonthurt_]

No. He said he didn’t want the offense Bc he didn’t like it.

That’s different than saying:

“I didn’t like Mullen but he won so I’ll take him”
Or
“I don’t love leach’s offense but I don’t care as long as it works”
Or
“I don’t like 3 yards and a cloud of dust but who cares if we win”

Big difference.

 

[Chuck Yeager]

LOL! You take away the Bama game and a lot of teams would look better. Dan Mullen's stats here would be a heck of a lot better if we could take Bama out too. Surely you realize how bad that reasoning is? You don't get to take the games against the good teams out of your record and stats. LOL! NOW I see why some of y'all came up with the ideas about COVID you did.

Mullen National Rank Scoring numbers:
'09 - 72nd
'10 - 48
'11 - 72
'12 - 60
'13 - 70
'14 - 15
'15 - 33
'16 - 56
'17 - 41

Those are some offensive juggernauts there now.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Actually neither of y'all like it.

I'm a Theist when it comes to offense. I just want it to exist and work well.

Again this is a dumb take.

I don’t like it. Doesn’t matter if it works or not. I don’t like it.

To each his own. Just because you like it is no reason to keep it either. I'll still support MSU and will be happy when we win, but I will be glad to see the end of it. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me.

 

[WilCoDawg]

Oh I agree with you. And I don’t fault him for looking at prettier girls. My problem is what you stated. He was so checked out at the end of every season towards the end that it took a toll. A toll on games and a toll on recruiting. He could’ve pulled a pine box at the least. I wouldn’t have cared if he made it appear that he was happy to stay and wanted to be there.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

I don't have a problem with a coach looking. It's a job and many people are looking for the next one. My problem with it, seemed that we lost several Egg Bowls because of it. His mind was not on the game. Winning that game should have been the most important think on his mind and it was not. That's my perception. Others might agree and other not.

That perception is spot on. It was the reality. The only Egg Bowls Dan won after Freeze arrived was the Dak miracle in 2013 and the one where Fitz ran wild over an OM team that had checked out and a Coach *** deep in Hookergate.

Dan was not committed to winning at State and was never going to out hustle someone for a recruit. It's not his nature. And there is no doubt he wanted out of Starkville as far back as 2013 when Penn State passed him over from James Franklin.

 

[Bill Shankly]

That's exactly what you're doing...picking your data.

Nice self-own there. Now sit down, junior.

Nope, you are the one eliminating games to make your point. That is the definition of altering data. Of COURSE it looks better if you throw out Alabama. LOL. I understand you a lot better now, explains a LOT.

 

[Bill Shankly]

Mullen National Rank Scoring numbers:
'09 - 72nd
'10 - 48
'11 - 72
'12 - 60
'13 - 70
'14 - 15
'15 - 33
'16 - 56
'17 - 41

Those are some offensive juggernauts there now.

Thanks, I didn't want to take the time to look it up but ALL of those rank better than where we are now. We played Alabama every year too. Only three in the 70s, and all of those were higher than we are now. The big thing to me is that it was a power spread, an offense I DO like to watch.

 

[Smoked Toag]

Actually neither of y'all like it.

I'm a Theist when it comes to offense. I just want it to exist and work well.

The only key for Mississippi State's offense appears to be that it needs to be different, and competent. That's it. Now generally, it should match the talent that our recruiting ground produces (generally MS and the surrounding states' leftovers). If the Air Raid can do that consistently, more power to it.

The main thing we have to be consistent about is defense. Bad defense has generally been the catalyst for our truly awful years.

Balanced recruiting (age-wise) is also very critical, maybe the most important of all. We have to keep upperclassmen on the offensive and defensive lines. When we don't, we have 2019 (water on the DL) and 2020 (water on the OL).

 

[Chuck Yeager]

Thanks, I didn't want to take the time to look it up but ALL of those rank better than where we are now. We played Alabama every year too. Only three in the 70s, and all of those were higher than we are now. The big thing to me is that it was a power spread, an offense I DO like to watch.

The point was that those weren't great except in Dak's 2 years.

Leach at WSU:
2012: 108
2013: 52
2014: 45
2015: 48
2016: 18
2017: 50
2018: 15
2019: 11

Leach last year at TT: 7th


Those are better IMO.

Mullen at FL:
2018: 22
2019: 28
2020: 13
2021: 55

Mullen can do more with less. But he's on year 4 now with all his own players and that ain't working out too well for him this year. And he's in the East ... not the West.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

Good lord that's asinine. LOL.

That the point, it is assinine. Mullen's offense was never as good as Leach's here in year two with a bunch of soph's running the show.

 

[Dawgg]

Nope, you are the one eliminating games to make your point. That is the definition of altering data. Of COURSE it looks better if you throw out Alabama. LOL. I understand you a lot better now, explains a LOT.

Hey, can you go back to throwing up Covid stats? You were a lot more tolerable then.

 

[maroonmadman]

It had been said that Mullen told Cohen “I’ve taken this team as far as I can” in the days before his departure to UF. If true I would not want him back. We tried. We both had fun. We both experienced pain. In the long run the relationship just wasn’t meant to be.

 

[Emma’s Dad]

Mullen. Strange guy. Not a very good coach. Never has been. Never will be. Dak made him look better than he was for awhile, and many fell for it. That is not unusual and somewhat understandable. Reality ultimately hits home though.

 

[DreadNought.sixpack]

He is dead to me.

 

[was21]

To summarize this thread, we still miss that sorry damn yankee as well as his hot yankee wife....Leach hasn't had a thread either way this long.

 

[Bill Shankly]

The point was that those weren't great except in Dak's 2 years.

Leach at WSU:
2012: 108
2013: 52
2014: 45
2015: 48
2016: 18
2017: 50
2018: 15
2019: 11

Leach last year at TT: 7th


Those are better IMO.

Mullen at FL:
2018: 22
2019: 28
2020: 13
2021: 55

Mullen can do more with less. But he's on year 4 now with all his own players and that ain't working out too well for him this year. And he's in the East ... not the West.

I got your point but you also made mine. Our scoring offense isn't that great this year. It's worse than every single year under Mullen so far.

 

[Bill Shankly]

That the point, it is assinine. Mullen's offense was never as good as Leach's here in year two with a bunch of soph's running the show.

The scoring numbers say otherwise. Good lord y'all can look data right in the face and deny it's real. I'm beginning to understand a lot about y'all in this thread. No wonder.

 

[Chuck Yeager]

I got your point but you also made mine. Our scoring offense isn't that great this year. It's worse than every single year under Mullen so far.

We're at 72 now. Mullen had 2 years at 72.

Conference only we're at 12th right now. Mullen never did worse than 10th but he also did that twice, 9th 3 times, 7th 2 times, then 2 good years with Dak. I figure Leach will be alright myself. And I don't think we've ever moved the ball 52 yds in :23 secs to get into FG range. When playing a good team, Mullen always better playing with lead, not coming back. One of the worst 2 min coaches there is.

ETA: BTW ... we're 12 in conference at 28.0/game. Your boy Danny is 8th in his 4th year at FL (recruiting heaven) at 28.7/game. Huge difference that is.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Emotions are what make us human. If we were purely data driven we'd be just another particle floating through space.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

The scoring numbers say otherwise. Good lord y'all can look data right in the face and deny it's real. I'm beginning to understand a lot about y'all in this thread. No wonder.

we are about 3 ppg from being in the top 50 and we still have an FCS school and a bad SEC defense to play. We have improved a lot from the beginning of the year and anyone can see that. This offense gives us a chance to beat teams that outrecruit us because they have to play us with their hands tied defensively. Under Mullen they could just line up and dare us to throw it and beat us because they outtalented us up front. I’ll take an offense that at least gives us a chance to beat teams that outrecruit us more than once every blue moon than one who I can look on the schedule and point out 3 losses before the year starts because I know we are not going to be able to move the ball past midfield but to each their own. We had a winning conference record 1 time under Mullen. Leach may have the same or worse record in conference but i at least feel like we aren’t beat before the game starts against half the teams on our conference schedule.

 

[Dawgg]

I thought he would be successful at Florida too. I think he has just lost his fire. He is a good coach and has the resources. Unless he just has flukishly gotten a toxic locker room (which can happen to even good coaches when there is constant turnover, particularly if you pick up a QB battle with no clear leader), it seems like he has used the greater resources at Florida as an opportunity to coast.

I’m gonna be honest... in the most reptilian parts of my brain, I’m kinda glad he’s struggling at Florida. If he just went over there and suddenly became a national contender and/or champion, it would feed into the notion that you have to go somewhere other than Mississippi State to win big. I have the same feelings about Vic at Texas.

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

Which I would completely get. He was never enamored of kissing high school players' asses.

His wife on the other hand...