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People only see threes
Speaking for myself, it isn't me "seeing the 3's", it's the perception he gives while on the court that he can HIT the long ball, whereas Briscoe can't.

Opposing coaches have to respect Mulder's ability to hit the 3, so it opens up the floor and creates spacing for Fox and Monk to penetrate. Cal said himself today they "need to work on better spacing"; well, how are they going to do that with two guards who can't shoot worth a damn?

Look, I like Briscoe, but he simply doesn't "fit" with this lineup, IMO. He should be coming off the bench and spelling Mulder; they could even split the minutes, but at least keep opposing teams honest with Mulder, and create that spacing Cal says they need.

I see no other way you're going to open up the floor with this 3 guard lineup; it just isn't possible, again, IMO.
 
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Old man, I played basketball. I played division 1 baseball for Memphis. I coached multiple sports after college and could have easily gotten a college gig in my city. One of my best friends is Keith Easterwood of Memphis. I was involved for 6 years with Memphis high school basketball and AAU basketball (granted no defense) and know more about this than you'll know in your next life. I don't say it to be braggadocios I say it because you and the nut huggers have a bad habit of trying to insinuate we're simply saying THRAY BAW GUUD and we're not. I know what a good defender is. Briscoe is not.

One more time.

Briscoe should get plenty of minutes. I think he's a clear 6th man, a good spark off the bench. He can get more minutes than Mulder is that's what Cal wants. Or don't, start him, and give him plenty of minutes. But Mulder needs more time for obvious reasons especially in certain match ups. My God Tony Delk was talking about it tonight. I bet you know more than he?

Now I've officially, for the last time, quit this thread.
Excellent take; totally agree.
 
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uk#1alltime

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Speaking for myself, it isn't me "seeing the 3's", it's the perception he gives while on the court that he can HIT the long ball, whereas Briscoe can't.

Opposing coaches have to respect Mulder's ability to hit the 3, so it opens up the floor and creates spacing for Fox and Monk to penetrate. Cal said himself today they "need to work on better spacing"; well, how are they going to do that with two guards who can't shoot worth a damn?

Look, I like Briscoe, but he simply doesn't "fit" with this lineup, IMO. He should be coming off the bench and spelling Mulder; they could even split the minutes, but at least keep opposing teams honest with Mulder, and create that spacing Cal says they need.

I see no other way you're going to open up the floor with this 3 guard lineup; it just isn't possible, again, IMO.


You couldnt have said any better...100% correct and whoever disagrees is straight foolish. Cal could read this and be like "yep" in his head.
 

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Speaking for myself, it isn't me "seeing the 3's", it's the perception he gives while on the court that he can HIT the long ball, whereas Briscoe can't.

Opposing coaches have to respect Mulder's ability to hit the 3, so it opens up the floor and creates spacing for Fox and Monk to penetrate. Cal said himself today they "need to work on better spacing"; well, how are they going to do that with two guards who can't shoot worth a damn?

Look, I like Briscoe, but he simply doesn't "fit" with this lineup, IMO. He should be coming off the bench and spelling Mulder; they could even split the minutes, but at least keep opposing teams honest with Mulder, and create that spacing Cal says they need.

I see no other way you're going to open up the floor with this 3 guard lineup; it just isn't possible, again, IMO.
If you only want to consider offense then that might be the only angle for the Mulder craze and things like shooting or offense is the first thing novice fans gravitate towards resolving team issues . Nobody is considering any other aspect other than shooting or concern over offensive production or maybe they are ignoring it . Mulder hasn't done anything but come in and shoot threes , sometimes he's a benefit when he's hitting and sometimes you can't play him if he's not hitting .

But his ability to shoot is right in the wheelhouse of what some are fascinated with . In fact shooting is probably topic number one when it comes to discussing team needs or strengths pre season , mid season and any time in between . It's all that some see or care about but coaches consider screening , passing , rebounding , defense , fast break execution and how all of it will impact the team . Briscoe getting the majority of the minutes is better for the team . It's Cals decision so all of this debating is pointless , I just want to win and hope they both play as best they can .
 

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Another example would be how in the heck does WG get the start over DW tonight when you look at recent performances. There's defintely two standards.
That one is too easy. WG is a freshman five star, Cal can say he is starting 4 freshman helps recruiting
 
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If you only want to consider offense then that might be the only angle for the Mulder craze and things like shooting or offense is the first thing novice fans gravitate towards resolving team issues . Nobody is considering any other aspect other than shooting or concern over offensive production or maybe they are ignoring it . Mulder hasn't done anything but come in and shoot threes , sometimes he's a benefit when he's hitting and sometimes you can't play him if he's not hitting .

But his ability to shoot is right in the wheelhouse of what some are fascinated with . In fact shooting is probably topic number one when it comes to discussing team needs or strengths pre season , mid season and any time in between . It's all that some see or care about but coaches consider screening , passing , rebounding , defense , fast break execution and how all of it will impact the team . Briscoe getting the majority of the minutes is better for the team . It's Cals decision so all of this debating is pointless , I just want to win and hope they both play as best they can .
I'm not disagreeing with anything you've pointed out, to the contrary: I think overall IB is an overall better player that Mulder. All I'm, and a lot of people are saying is that we DO need some spacing when we're in a half court offense, as it opens up the floor for our drivers.

Hell, I wouldn't be opposed to playing IB along WITH Mulder, Bam, Willis & Monk. Rotate IB and Fox at the 1. I just feel there are times we need to open up the floor, however we do it. Teams are just packing the middle on us, and if we have an off night in the tournament against a good team, we're toast.

We all realize it's Cal who makes the decisions, and we have to live with them, but this is what these boards are for; for all of Cat fans to discuss what we like, don't like, and what we would like to see, even if it's wrong, lol.

Peace, WW.
 

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If you only want to consider offense then that might be the only angle for the Mulder craze and things like shooting or offense is the first thing novice fans gravitate towards resolving team issues . Nobody is considering any other aspect other than shooting or concern over offensive production or maybe they are ignoring it . Mulder hasn't done anything but come in and shoot threes , sometimes he's a benefit when he's hitting and sometimes you can't play him if he's not hitting .

But his ability to shoot is right in the wheelhouse of what some are fascinated with . In fact shooting is probably topic number one when it comes to discussing team needs or strengths pre season , mid season and any time in between . It's all that some see or care about but coaches consider screening , passing , rebounding , defense , fast break execution and how all of it will impact the team . Briscoe getting the majority of the minutes is better for the team . It's Cals decision so all of this debating is pointless , I just want to win and hope they both play as best they can .

I think most understand the importance of other things, particularly defense. The thing is, I think most have thrown in the towel with our ability to improve defensively. Its nearly March and the musical chairs rotation of player after player committing dumb fouls, getting beat off the dribble, not closing out on perimeter shooters, being out of position, etc is happening at every spot, position, and class we put out there.

So if the D can't improve, how do you widen the gap? Well it's got to be on offense, which is tanking as well. This is the current call for Mulder. Not necessarily for his scoring (which helps), but for his threat of shooting which does wonders for spacing and creates more fluidity/ball movement/gaps and opportunities for all players to score more.

And like welder stated...it's not a knock on Briscoe. I'm all for giving him 10 to 12 min at the 1 backing Fox and then roughly 15 min at the 3 with Mulder playing 20 plus at the 3. Still gives IB nearly 30 min per game.
 
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kybassfan

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And Briscoe if you're really watching the game and paying attention, which I doubt.

Yes, Briscoe is a human being and as such makes mistakes. This rare insight makes you astute indeed.

Compared to the others, he gives up the lane and baseline far fewer times and with the toughest assignment.
 

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I don't think Mulder should start like Tony Delk suggested.

http://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/2/22/14701138/tony-delk-cal-should-start-mulder-over-briscoe

...but the fact that a 6'4" senior shooting over 40% from 3 and has been giving a more consistent effort on D and rebounding than most our players since his return and only getting sub 10 minutes is ridiculous. He only plays after someone gets in foul trouble, an afterthought.

It's been pretty clear for the last month...

We struggle when Both Fox and Briscoe are on the floor together.

Sub anyone for either and we immediately start playing better. Our lineup lacks shooters to spread the floor when those two play together so everyone struggles as a result, we're too easy to defend.

I don't care who starts... but Mulder should be getting a little more run. Not from any one person, just stealing a few more minute as part of a rotation. Someone's always off in a given night ... and if Fox and Briscoe also play less together as a result we will be better for it.

Doubt it happens, I think Cal's going to ride the Briscoe/Fox backcourt to our NCAA demise or my surprise.
 

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I don't most UK fans on here is trying to be down on Briscoe's play this year. I have even said that there has been many games this year if we didn't have Briscoe's hustle and play we would had one these games. I think during the OOC schedule and beginning of SEC play Briscoe had improved so much on his shooting and play from last year. Then over the last 7-8 games we have seen some of the Briscoe from last year in his turnovers and shooting not as well and believe that Mulder or Hawkins should receive more minutes of playing time. My issue is that Mulder to me has to be in Coach Cal's doghouse and has been there most of his two years at UK. It seems when Mulder comes in and plays 15-20 minutes and hits 3 or 4 three's and scores double digits you would think Mulder would get more minutes in that game or future games. What I see in the next game or two is Mulder is no where to be found and may come in if someone is foul trouble for 3 or 4 minutes and that is it. In last 10 games Mulder has hit close to 45% from 3 and seems to be playing so much better from last year. When recruiting Mulder for the shooting guard position and before we landed Murray two years ago Mulder was scoring 16 points a game and shooting 46% from 3 playing junior-college ball out of Vincennes University. I believe with Mulder and Monk playing together would help each other open up more 3 point shots and help the inside game as well. Mulder has been rebounding and playing defense better this year and I believe the fans just don't understand with Mulder's improved play why he doesn't play 15-20 minutes a game when one of the 3 guards isn't playing well during the game. I could see Mulder scoring consistently in double digits if playing 15 minutes or more during the game with his 3 point shot. He comes in against Georgia and scores 9 points going 3 for 6 from 3 and then comes in to the game last night and hits his first three of the game. Mulder is like Monk and is so dangerous from 3 point and could help our offense.