Moos ... preaching patience

[dinglefritz]

Two points:

1) While I would have preferred an AD and head coach to tamper expectations by saying things like "we're going to keep working on the foundation brick by brick until you see what Nebraskans are proud of - tough football executed at a high level" - I also don't blame them for being optimistic and talking about the return of the Huskers.

2) Fans that got too worked up about "year two we'll be back" would be better off putting things in perspective. They want to vent because their hopes were built up? Grow up. Go cheer for your team and quit making everything about YOUR feelings. I can promise you, those 100+ players are out there working harder than most on this board and they want to perform well. The last thing they need are angry fan boys on message boards who had their feelings hurt because of high expectations.

POY. It must be tough for some of the guys who walk through life with their panties in a wad....

 

[dinglefritz]

How about just saying something like we are working hard everyday to get better and leave it at that.

his comments about competing for the Div title - look out for 2019 - we are better at every position - opens up the team to far more criticism than just remaining vanilla.

Well technically they're still alive competing for the division title or at least they were until this last Saturday. There were like 5 different scenarios where NU could still win the division.

 

[dinglefritz]

OK, let’s say you’re right. Riley got our D-Lineman fat. Frost has had 18 months of war daddy with them. Last I checked, you don’t need 18 months to get in playing shape.

Our D line is the least of our problems. I don't think aerobic conditioning is a problem for many of our linemen. The biggest problem for our right tackle and guards is the number of fast twitch muscle fibers in their muscle mass. Our D line is really pretty good as a whole.

 

[Lincoln100]

Two points:

1) While I would have preferred an AD and head coach to tamper expectations by saying things like "we're going to keep working on the foundation brick by brick until you see what Nebraskans are proud of - tough football executed at a high level" - I also don't blame them for being optimistic and talking about the return of the Huskers.

2) Fans that got too worked up about "year two we'll be back" would be better off putting things in perspective. They want to vent because their hopes were built up? Grow up. Go cheer for your team and quit making everything about YOUR feelings. I can promise you, those 100+ players are out there working harder than most on this board and they want to perform well. The last thing they need are angry fan boys on message boards who had their feelings hurt because of high expectations.

It's called "despair." I think the reactions are more about years 3+ than they are about year two. The team looks so bad that people are losing, or have lost, confidence in Frost and his crew and are concluding that they won't get NU back and that we as fans have to suffer through another 3 - 5 years of bad play and then go through yet another coaching change. I think Frost would be better served by talking less about players want-to and "buy-in" and more about how the staff needs to get better. He needs to shoulder the heat for the team.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Then why does Frost continue to play the twins, if they don't do what he tells them to? There are other defensive linemen on the roster. If we're going to suck anyway, play the ones who do what they are supposed to do.

Good luck getting an answer. Spin zone is in full effect.

 

[timnsun]

Posts like this make me sick. I get that people are upset about the product. I am too. But starting posts to simply pile on over and over again... I don’t get it. Is it therapeutic? Crap like this has lost us some good posters, and Even though I’m not a good poster, I’m looking at this board less and less. What’s the point? I come to this board and have to wade through tons of crap just to get a few nuggets.

And to cherry-pick the one comment about the walk on program but not post the one where he actually uses the word patience is beyond ridiculous. @jlb321, I know you are a fan of the huskers, but this thread was an absolute troll move that I would expect from Iowa fan, UCF fan, Colorado fan, fill in the blank. What a turd post.

 

[Ewooc]

He said 6-6, we all laughed and thought he was nuts. The guys might now what he is talking about.

 

[mgbreeze]

Posts like this make me sick. I get that people are upset about the product. I am too. But starting posts to simply pile on over and over again... I don’t get it. Is it therapeutic? Crap like this has lost us some good posters, and Even though I’m not a good poster, I’m looking at this board less and less. What’s the point? I come to this board and have to wade through tons of crap just to get a few nuggets.

And to cherry-pick the one comment about the walk on program but not post the one where he actually uses the word patience is beyond ridiculous. @jlb321, I know you are a fan of the huskers, but this thread was an absolute troll move that I would expect from Iowa fan, UCF fan, Colorado fan, fill in the blank. What a turd post.

Me too. I get being unhappy, but I don't get starting new ***** topics every day. Not to joke about suicide, but if you're that miserable there are numbers you can call.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Two points:

1) While I would have preferred an AD and head coach to tamper expectations by saying things like "we're going to keep working on the foundation brick by brick until you see what Nebraskans are proud of - tough football executed at a high level" - I also don't blame them for being optimistic and talking about the return of the Huskers.

2) Fans that got too worked up about "year two we'll be back" would be better off putting things in perspective. They want to vent because their hopes were built up? Grow up. Go cheer for your team and quit making everything about YOUR feelings. I can promise you, those 100+ players are out there working harder than most on this board and they want to perform well. The last thing they need are angry fan boys on message boards who had their feelings hurt because of high expectations.

for me personally .. while I would prefer we win ..I'm not terribly emotionally invested in how the team does

this board serves as a fascinating sociologic experiment .... people who are overly emotionally invested go to great lengths to contrive scenarios analogous to having to walk uphill both ways in a snow storm to explain away the struggles thus far with this team

if the exact same set of circumstances existed - new coach with all kinds of fanfare, with the comments that have been made, etc - at Iowa, for instance, and they were in the midst of likely back to back losing seasons the reaction would be completely the opposite. Frankly had we hired someone like PJ Fleck rather than a legacy there would be great deal more uproar as well.

I have never called for Frost to be fired .. in fact I have said let him complete his 7 years - my praise will be as effusive as my criticism when and if the play and results greatly improve. From my perspective aside from talent there has not been evidence of improved coaching versus Riley's 3 years and it doesn't look like Frosts 3 year win total will exceed Riley's (he may have less wins) and no one thought that this was anywhere near fathomable at the time of the hire. As it has become more and more apparent the narratives have greatly shifted to minimize the role of coaching.

I seem to remember a time where a seven year stretch averaging more than 9 wins a year and tying or winning the division in 4 of those 7 years may have been good enough for some programs but not Nebraska and so a new coach was needed to take us to the next level

 

[mgbreeze]

for me personally .. while I would prefer we win ..I'm not terribly emotionally invested in how the team does

this board serves as a fascinating sociologic experiment .... people who are overly emotionally invested go to great lengths to contrive scenarios analogous to having to walk uphill both ways in a snow storm to explain away the struggles thus far with this team

if the exact same set of circumstances existed - new coach with all kinds of fanfare, with the comments that have been made, etc - at Iowa for instance and they were in the midst of likely back to back losing seasons the reaction would be completely the opposite. Frankly had we hired someone like PJ Fleck rather than a legacy there would be great deal more uproar as well.

I have never called for Frost to be fired .. in fact I have said let him complete his 7 years - my praise will be as effusive as my criticism when and if the play and results greatly improve. From my perspective aside from talent there has not been evidence of improved coaching versus Riley's 3 years and it doesn't look like Frosts 3 year win total will exceed Riley's (he may have less wins) and no one thought that this was anywhere near fathomable at the time of the hire. As it has become more and more apparent the narratives have greatly shifted to minimize the role of coaching.

I seem to remember that by the end of a seven year stretch averaging more than 9 wins a year and tying or winning the division in 4 of those 7 years was good enough for some programs but not Nebraska

It's funny that your entire post seems to be some indictment of fans who are supportive of Frost.... the popular smear is "kool aid drinkers".... but when I look at this board I see mostly negativity and criticism. Some of it way over the top but most of it warranted. So I don't agree with your narrative of the narratives.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

It's funny that your entire post seems to be some indictment of fans who are supportive of Frost.... the popular smear is "kool aid drinkers".... but when I look at this board I see mostly negativity and criticism. Some of it way over the top but most of it warranted. So I don't agree with your narrative of the narratives.

ya... that tends to happen when are staring down the barrel of back to back losing seasons under the same coaching staff for the first time in almost 60 years

 

[Headcard]

It's funny that your entire post seems to be some indictment of fans who are supportive of Frost.... the popular smear is "kool aid drinkers".... but when I look at this board I see mostly negativity and criticism. Some of it way over the top but most of it warranted. So I don't agree with your narrative of the narratives.

Exactly. I always get a kick out of people like this that view themselves as "realists" and everyone with a different view is "creating narratives" and "moving goalposts". Yet, no one is using more mental gymnastics than him to push his own narrative. It's like the insane person that swears everyone else is crazy.

 

[mgbreeze]

ya... that tends to happen when are staring down the barrel of back to back losing seasons under the same coaching staff for the first time in almost 60 years

So now you agree the board is mostly negative? I thought we were all a bunch of morons dreaming up excuses for the failures? Which one is it?

 

[John_J_Rambo]

one day, be it saturday or 1,000 saturdays from now, the huskers will have a big win.

I'd like to be on the board to see all of the 'I told you sos' or 'I believed all alongs'.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

We are closer to 2 wins than 7.

I'd say 50/50. 1 play either way in virtually every game

 

[HuskerTilDeath_rivals]

When Frost arrived there were zero RB's that fit Frost's system and the RB coach that was under Riley couldn't even get a RB to visit campus. Riley had a DL caoch that couldn't get anyone to visit either. Then you had Bray that sucked *** at linebacker recruiting. Then you had a DB room so mentally soft that they had no clue how to cover guys and also come up to stuff the run.

There were zero QB's on the roster that fit what Frost runs. We couldn't even run a 5 WR set because the alcoholic WR coach under Riley left that unit so depleted it wasn't even as talented as your average FCS program.

Frost tried some quick fixes with a JUCO RB that left. He tried a quick fix with some JUCO WR's that will end this season without accomplishing anything. He has rebuilt the QB room in it's entirety. The DB's are now able to cover a WR. Linebacker, IL and DL still need fixing.

People don't realize how bad the roster was when Frost arrived. The upperlcmassen didn't know how to prepare for games, didn't know how to study film, were not required to do back squats, were able to stand around at practices doing nothing, get served ice cream because practices were oh so hard on their bodies.......I could keep going too.

The roster when Frost arrived was NOT anymore talented than 12 other teams in the Big Ten. Players were NOT getting developed when they arrived to campus under Riley.

It took Frost to find Ozigbo. Ozigbo ows his NFL career to Frost as Riley would have killed any chance.

Frost will have the program rebuilt soon but this year was NOT the year for it to happen. Any intelligent football mind knew that.

Do you realize that one could rearrange this a bit and make the exact same case for Riley? As someone with a self-appointed intelligent football mind; I'm sure you do.

 

[leodisflowers]

for me personally .. while I would prefer we win ..I'm not terribly emotionally invested in how the team does

this board serves as a fascinating sociologic experiment .... people who are overly emotionally invested go to great lengths to contrive scenarios analogous to having to walk uphill both ways in a snow storm to explain away the struggles thus far with this team

if the exact same set of circumstances existed - new coach with all kinds of fanfare, with the comments that have been made, etc - at Iowa for instance and they were in the midst of likely back to back losing seasons the reaction would be completely the opposite. Frankly had we hired someone like PJ Fleck rather than a legacy there would be great deal more uproar as well.

I have never called for Frost to be fired .. in fact I have said let him complete his 7 years - my praise will be as effusive as my criticism when and if the play and results greatly improve. From my perspective aside from talent there has not been evidence of improved coaching versus Riley's 3 years and it doesn't look like Frosts 3 year win total will exceed Riley's (he may have less wins) and no one thought that this was anywhere near fathomable at the time of the hire. As it has become more and more apparent the narratives have greatly shifted to minimize the role of coaching.

I seem to remember that by the end of a seven year stretch averaging more than 9 wins a year and tying or winning the division in 4 of those 7 years was good enough for some programs but not Nebraska

You sure waste a lot of time on this board shitting on every thread for you not being emotionally invested....

 

[timnsun]

for me personally .. while I would prefer we win ..I'm not terribly emotionally invested in how the team does

this board serves as a fascinating sociologic experiment .... people who are overly emotionally invested go to great lengths to contrive scenarios analogous to having to walk uphill both ways in a snow storm to explain away the struggles thus far with this team

if the exact same set of circumstances existed - new coach with all kinds of fanfare, with the comments that have been made, etc - at Iowa for instance and they were in the midst of likely back to back losing seasons the reaction would be completely the opposite. Frankly had we hired someone like PJ Fleck rather than a legacy there would be great deal more uproar as well.

I have never called for Frost to be fired .. in fact I have said let him complete his 7 years - my praise will be as effusive as my criticism when and if the play and results greatly improve. From my perspective aside from talent there has not been evidence of improved coaching versus Riley's 3 years and it doesn't look like Frosts 3 year win total will exceed Riley's (he may have less wins) and no one thought that this was anywhere near fathomable at the time of the hire. As it has become more and more apparent the narratives have greatly shifted to minimize the role of coaching.

I seem to remember that by the end of a seven year stretch averaging more than 9 wins a year and tying or winning the division in 4 of those 7 years was good enough for some programs but not Nebraska

You take great pleasure making this an experiment huh?

Nice.

 

[Wyldcard]

The walk on program and the number of the entire team is up to 150 currently and can't go any higher because of Title IX issues taking away from women's sports, but the number allows for more reps in the masses which builds builds competition and depth as all 150 compete, something that has been completely missing since Solich was fired. Back in the 90s the 95-97 squads had OL's that were 3 deep across the board and completely interchangeable without missing a beat. Laugh all you want at the Walk On Program, Wiscy's best OLs couldn't couldn't even come close to sniffing the success or awards of our OLs back then. We were OLine U and no one was even a close 2nd. Numbers build competition which eventually builds quality depth. There is no myth as to why NU was so good under Osborne and part of it was the Walk On Program. Frost is building this the correct way. We won't be a cultured team until all of Pelini and Riley's players are completely gone and the whole team consists of all of this staff's players and that's fact

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

Moos also said the goal for last year was 6 wins and a bowl game. If that has been his water mark for years 1 and 2 at a program like this and Scott isnt achieving that, he should both be on the hotseat.

 

[Harry Caray]

The walk on program and the number of the entire team is up to 150 currently and can't go any higher because of Title IX reasons, but the number allows for more reps in the masses which builds builds competition and depth as all 150 compete, something that has been completely missing since Solich was fired. Back in the 90s the 95-97 squads had OL's that were 3 deep across the board and completely interchangeable without missing a beat. Laugh all you want as at the Walk On Program, Wiscy's best OLs couldn't couldn't even come close to matching our OLs back then. We were OLine U and no one was even a close 2nd. Numbers build competition which eventually builds quality depth. There is no myth as to why NU was so good under Osborne and part of it was the Walk On Program. Frost is building this the correct way. We won't be a cultured team until all of Pelini and Riley's players are completely gone and the whole team consists of all of this staff's players and that's fact

Our walk-on program was successful in the 90s because we had a better Strength Program than everyone else, and most of the high school teams in the state ran the same offense the Huskers did.

Now most of our opponents have a better strength program, and Frost's schemes require more athletic linemen then you will find in small town Nebraska.

 

[Wyldcard]

Our walk-on program was successful in the 90s because we had a better Strength Program than everyone else, and most of the high school teams in the state ran the same offense the Huskers did.

Now most of our opponents have a better strength program, and Frost's schemes require more athletic linemen then you will find in small town Nebraska.

The Strength & Conditioning Program will in time will take back it's rightful place of top dog by a wide margin, and there are no if's, and's or but's about that and guarantee it 1000%. This is a major part of NU's Lore and Legacy

 

[mgbreeze]

The Strength & Conditioning Program will in time will take back it's rightful place of top dog by a wide margin, and there are no if's, and's or but's about that and guarantee it 1000%. This is a major part of NU's Lore and Legacy

Believe me, I'd like to agree with you and I hope there's a possibility it could be true. But I have a hard time believing it. Other teams are working out and lifting weights, and I don't see how it's possible to claim ownership of the "best" strength and conditioning. It's like you should be on par with everyone else in that category, and everything else (talent, scheme, motivation, etc) makes the difference between success and failure.

 

[Wyldcard]

Believe me, I'd like to agree with you and I hope there's a possibility it could be true. But I have a hard time believing it. Other teams are working out and lifting weights, and I don't see how it's possible to claim ownership of the "best" strength and conditioning. It's like you should be on par with everyone else in that category, and everything else (talent, scheme, motivation, etc) makes the difference between success and failure.

Look at what Duval has had to work with since coming back here starting at ground zero with 3 years of almost ZERO S&C plus lack of culture and NO accountability. Duval was the one that implemented Husker Power into the program along with Boyd Epply back during our glory years and even with the the advancements other teams have made in it since NU's fall from grace can't even touch what our S&C was back then currently with a 10 foot pole period! It will happen again as BE is the head of all S&C down in Lincoln. NU got a number of those S&C guys back that were here during the glory years and they know what it takes to completely dominate and I guarantee you the top S&C staffs in FBS know that we got most of them back along with who is the head of S&C here and I promise you they don't like it one bit. Not one S&C staff in FBS has ANYONE the caliber or even close to Boyd Epply or Dave Ellis on their staffs. Both Boyd and Dave are the very best there is at what they do period.

 

[leodisflowers]

Look at what Duval has had to work with since coming back here starting with 3 years of almost ZERO S&C plus lack of culture. Duval was S&C with Boyd Epply back during our glory years and even with the the advancements other teams have made in it since NU's fall from grace can't even touch our S&C back then with a 10 foot pole period! It will happen again as BE is the head of all S&C down in Lincoln. We got a number of those guys back that were here during the glory years and they know what it takes to completely dominate and I guarantee you the top S&C staffs in FBS know that we got most of them back along with who is the head of S&C here and I promise you they don't like it one bit.

I think our strength and conditioning will be better, but this isn't the 70's and 80's anymore. Everyone has top notch weight rooms and strength coaches. We may get to the point we are slightly better than the competition, but there is way too much parity with everything anymore and we will never be head and shoulders above everyone in S&C. Hell even the Bama's, Clemson's, etc. They aren't head and shoulders above in S&C, they are just there in talent. That is where NU needs to focus. Continue with a plan of how to get talent.

 

[Wyldcard]

I think our strength and conditioning will be better, but this isn't the 70's and 80's anymore. Everyone has top notch weight rooms and strength coaches. We may get to the point we are slightly better than the competition, but there is way too much parity with everything anymore and we will never be head and shoulders above everyone in S&C. Hell even the Bama's, Clemson's, etc. They aren't head and shoulders above in S&C, they are just there in talent. That is where NU needs to focus. Continue with a plan of how to get talent.

We will eventually have both which will be downright scary.

 

[HuskerTilDeath_rivals]

Look at what Duval has had to work with since coming back here starting at ground zero with 3 years of almost ZERO S&C plus lack of culture and NO accountability. Duval was the one that implemented Husker Power into the program along with Boyd Epply back during our glory years and even with the the advancements other teams have made in it since NU's fall from grace can't even touch what our S&C was back then currently with a 10 foot pole period! It will happen again as BE is the head of all S&C down in Lincoln. NU got a number of those S&C guys back that were here during the glory years and they know what it takes to completely dominate and I guarantee you the top S&C staffs in FBS know that we got most of them back along with who is the head of S&C here and I promise you they don't like it one bit. Not one S&C staff in FBS has ANYONE the caliber or even close to Boyd Epply or Dave Ellis on their staffs. Both Boyd and Dave are the very best there is at what they do period.

You do realize that Boyd Epley has been back since 2014, and has been in the same position since.

 

[Wyldcard]

You do realize that Boyd Epliy has been back since 2014, and has been in the same position since.

yes I do and it was basically just him until now and now the band is pretty much back together

 

[mgbreeze]

Well Wyld, I certainly appreciate your enthusiasm. No doubt we have a ways to go with S&C just to get back even with many, many programs. I'll be happy when we're on par with most of the other programs in our conference.

 

[leodisflowers]

We will eventually have both which will be downright scary.

I hope so, but that is still yet to be seen. I too like your enthusiasm, but enthusiasm doesn't get us wins. Duvall needs to war daddy up as well as the staff on the recruiting and development front. Until then we are going to be a 4-8 win team max.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

Scott is basically telling everyone that he doesn't know what to do, other than work harder. There are lots of things he could do, but probably won't, and we will be in this same position next year.

I'm okay if y'all want to get rid of this clown show already. Prob the worst hire in recent husker football history. Yes, worse than Mike flipping Riley. We aren't even getting to .500 with Frosty.. something more like .333

 

[TruHusker]

So....what was Moos supposed to say?

 

[WHCSC]

Scott is basically telling everyone that he doesn't know what to do, other than work harder. There are lots of things he could do, but probably won't, and we will be in this same position next year.

I'm okay if y'all want to get rid of this clown show already. Prob the worst hire in recent husker football history. Yes, worse than Mike flipping Riley. We aren't even getting to .500 with Frosty.. something more like .333

crazy talk

 

[Hastings4Huskers]

Fire em all. Football is doomed. The sun will not come up on Sunday. Were a volleyball school anyways.

Just trying to keep current with the threads...

 

[timnsun]

crazy talk

No, just Nikki talk.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

crazy talk

maybe so.. I just know, no other coach has had this sort of nose dive here at Nebraska.. so.. I'm gonna make some noise about it, and Scott deserves every bit of it too. I don't care if he loves the program so much.. he's been screwing it up the past two years from what I can see.

 

[Harry Caray]

Look at what Duval has had to work with since coming back here starting at ground zero with 3 years of almost ZERO S&C plus lack of culture and NO accountability. Duval was the one that implemented Husker Power into the program along with Boyd Epply back during our glory years and even with the the advancements other teams have made in it since NU's fall from grace can't even touch what our S&C was back then currently with a 10 foot pole period! It will happen again as BE is the head of all S&C down in Lincoln. NU got a number of those S&C guys back that were here during the glory years and they know what it takes to completely dominate and I guarantee you the top S&C staffs in FBS know that we got most of them back along with who is the head of S&C here and I promise you they don't like it one bit. Not one S&C staff in FBS has ANYONE the caliber or even close to Boyd Epply or Dave Ellis on their staffs. Both Boyd and Dave are the very best there is at what they do period.

There are no secrets when it comes to Strength & Conditioning anymore. Everybody else as learned from Eppley. Everybody has the same equipment as everyone else now. Everyone has access to the same research.

I hope you're right, but there's no evidence that Duval is an elite strength coach. He was previously the strength coach at Buffalo and Wyoming, and they were pretty bad when he was there. Just because he was a student intern under Eppley in the 90s doesn't mean anything, just like Turner Gill was not a great head coach just because he played and coached under Tom Osborne for many years.

 

[Headcard]

There are no secrets when it comes to Strength & Conditioning anymore. Everybody else as learned from Eppley. Everybody has the same equipment as everyone else now. Everyone has access to the same research.

I hope you're right, but there's no evidence that Duval is an elite strength coach. He was previously the strength coach at Buffalo and Wyoming, and they were pretty bad when he was there. Just because he was a student intern under Eppley in the 90s doesn't mean anything, just like Turner Gill was not a great head coach just because he played and coached under Tom Osborne for many years.

He was the National Strength Coach of the year in 2017. Khalil Mack has also attributed his development and success at Buffalo to Duval. So there isn’t exactly “no evidence.”

 

[nu2u]

Look at what Duval has had to work with since coming back here starting at ground zero with 3 years of almost ZERO S&C plus lack of culture and NO accountability. Duval was the one that implemented Husker Power into the program along with Boyd Epply back during our glory years and even with the the advancements other teams have made in it since NU's fall from grace can't even touch what our S&C was back then currently with a 10 foot pole period! It will happen again as BE is the head of all S&C down in Lincoln. NU got a number of those S&C guys back that were here during the glory years and they know what it takes to completely dominate and I guarantee you the top S&C staffs in FBS know that we got most of them back along with who is the head of S&C here and I promise you they don't like it one bit. Not one S&C staff in FBS has ANYONE the caliber or even close to Boyd Epply or Dave Ellis on their staffs. Both Boyd and Dave are the very best there is at what they do period.

This is fantasy. There are many S&C coaches on par with Epply, perhaps better, and Nebraska does not have exclusive access to scientific research on strength and conditioning strategies and methods.

 

[Harry Caray]

He was the National Strength Coach of the year in 2017. Khalil Mack has also attributed his development and success at Buffalo to Duval. So there isn’t exactly “no evidence.”

And Frost was the National Coach of the Year in 2017. Mike MacIntyre from Colorado was National Coach of the Year in 2016. Your entire body of work means more than one good season or one good player you coached. FYI, Khalil Mack attributes most of his development to a private facility in Buffalo called "Proformance Sports Training".