Moos ... preaching patience

[Headcard]

And Frost was the National Coach of the Year in 2017. Mike MacIntyre from Colorado was National Coach of the Year in 2016. Your entire body of work means more than one good season or one good player you coached. FYI, Khalil Mack attributes most of his development to a private facility in Buffalo called "Proformance Sports Training".

You can try to discredit all you want, but saying there is “no evidence” he is a good strength coach is false.

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

You can try to discredit all you want, but saying there is “no evidence” he is a good strength coach is false.

A lot of strength coaches couldve helped Khalil Mack. Telling a freak of nature to do some squats and power cleans isnt exactly rocket science.

 

[Headcard]

A lot of strength coaches couldve helped Khalil Mack. Telling a freak of nature to do some squats and power cleans isnt exactly rocket science.

OK, you are right and Mack is wrong. Guys come from places like Buffalo and become NFL DPOY’s all the time.

Honestly, I have no clue if he’s actually a good strength coach or not. But the lengths some of you will try to go to in an attempt to discredit this staff is staggering. We now have posters that know more than the committee selecting the National Strength Coach of the Year and more than one of the best players in the NFL. Amazing

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

You take great pleasure making this an experiment huh?

Nice.

yes ... there is a control group and there is an intervention group. The rats in the intervention group are getting injected with pathological doses of red kool-aid

 

[bigboxes]

So now you agree the board is mostly negative? I thought we were all a bunch of morons dreaming up excuses for the failures? Which one is it?

It's negative because we suck.

 

[50Front]

Then it’s time to shut this board down. When a fan board is more detractors than fans it serves no purpose.

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

Detractors can go join the Oregon State board

 

[dinglefritz]

I hope so, but that is still yet to be seen. I too like your enthusiasm, but enthusiasm doesn't get us wins. Duvall needs to war daddy up as well as the staff on the recruiting and development front. Until then we are going to be a 4-8 win team max.

IMO there isn't an issue with our S&C that time won't fix. For the big boys in the trenches I've heard multiple former NFL linemen say it takes 2-3 years to get a guy to play at the top of his level. Duval's had less than 2 years and we HAVE made strides. The problem is that you can only do so much with S&C. You have to have some natural quickness in order to play at a high level in a P5 conference. Jurgens has it. Jaimes when healthy has it. The rest of the guys aren't quite there yet. Right tackle? Don't know if he can get there. I'm not sure if it's physical or mental with him but he looks slow to react at times. D line? Most of the time physically this year they've been ok. They look bad when they get caught in a blocking scheme they weren't expecting. That's not unusual. I'm anxious to see more of Green. I know for sure that we're better at DE this year than we were last year. Freedom routinely got trucked.

 

[dinglefritz]

He's not just a smart football guy, he's a smart business guy. I don't know that his comment about 6 wins was as much about football as it was about business. He saw the hurricane of hype that was building and smartly tried to dial it back. What good would it do to say "heck yeah, we should run through the West this year," only to not have it happen. Coming off a four-win year, saying "six wins is good" was ok to say, even if people scratched their head at it. If they exceeded it, he can talk about how pleased he is, if they didn't, he can say "I told you this would take a little while." He is very opportunistic and good at what he does.

You are absolutely right that had we eeked out those games and were 7-2, anyone with 1/2 a brain would understand that things are still bad.

I really don't think Moos's comment was meant to undersell the program at all. He's played at the college and NFL levels and has been an AD for a long time. He knows what he's seeing when he looks at a team. I have no doubt that he was just being open and honest in his assessment of what he saw. Multiple former players who watched practice echoed that sentiment publicly long before this season started. They knew we had roster issues.

 

[Anon1727835823]

Well, we are in the process of possibly going 4-8 for the 3rd straight year, so yeah we are in the 2nd year of our walk-on program. We are operating at walk-on level right now

 

[mgbreeze]

It's negative because we suck.

So it's not a bunch of koolaid drinking sunshine pumpers like jib321 claimed back in his latest thesis-long explanation of why he's right and everyone else is stupid?

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

So it's not a bunch of koolaid drinking sunshine pumpers like jib321 claimed back in his latest thesis-long explanation of why he's right and everyone else is stupid?

you are correct -- in retrospect I would say the opinions are balanced with very vocal posters on either side

Much of what I posts are simply facts or direct quotes- the problem is that these often make some uncomfortable

ie - Riley won 19 games in his three years at Nebraska and was fired because that wasn't good enough
Frost will likely have a hard time surpassing this record

Matt Campbell took over a program that had won 8 games in 3 years and was able to win 8 games in year 2

or how we were told that the 2017 team was really a 6-7 win team by someone who should know ... this statement is mocked even though it is a direct quote from the head coach

those are facts - all the commotion comes from the ensuing debate concerning the "yes ... but .... culture, back squats, Mike Riley, etc, etc" - some may be valid but for the most part is pure conjecture

this 4 page + thread was started by posting a journalists tweet with a direct quote from the AD

 

[John_J_Rambo]

you are correct -- in retrospect I would say the opinions are balanced with very vocal posters on either side

Much of what I posts are simply facts or direct quotes- the problem is that these often make some uncomfortable

ie - Riley won 19 games in his three years at Nebraska and was fired because that wasn't good enough
Frost will likely have a hard time surpassing this record

Matt Campbell took over a program that had won 8 games in 3 years and was able to win 8 games in year 2

or how we were told that the 2017 team was really a 6-7 win team by someone who should know ... this statement is mocked .. and a direct quote from the head coach is produced

those are facts - all the commotion comes from the ensuing debate concerning the "yes ... but .... culture, back squats, Mike Riley, etc, etc" - some may be valid but for the most part is pure conjecture

this 4 page + thread was started by posting a journalists tweet with a direct quote from the AD

you forgot your favorite: no back to back losing seasons by the same coach in 60 years

looking like matt campbell is now taking a program with back to back 8 win seasons, 2 top 5 wins 2 years ago and an award finalist qb to 6-6. perhaps the pixie dust ran out in ames?

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

you forgot your favorite: no back to back losing seasons by the same coach in 60 years

looking like matt campbell is now taking a program with back to back 8 win seasons, 2 top 5 wins 2 years ago and an award finalist qb to 6-6. perhaps the pixie dust ran out in ames?

is that factual or not?-- and before someone does the math and comes up with 58 years I have said "about" 60 years

people sure haven't been shy about posting Riley's record, or Bo's forays into the record book for futility?

 

[John_J_Rambo]

is that factual or not?-- and before someone does the math and comes up with 58 years I have said "about" 60 years

people sure haven't been shy about posting Riley's record, or Bo's forays into the record book for futility?

yes, it is. you post the same 3 facts every time you log on. I just wanted to make sure you didn't forget that one this time.

you're welcome.

 

[Harry Caray]

You can try to discredit all you want, but saying there is “no evidence” he is a good strength coach is false.

I said there's no evidence he's an elite strength coach (i.e. better than most other D-I strength coaches). I'm sure he's good, but so is every other Power 5 strength coach because they make 6-7 figures now. But there's no evidence that Duval has methods or research or motivational techniques that are vastly superior to other college football strength coaches. Most teams we've faced this year have looked better in terms of strength and conditioning, even Colorado and Minnesota.

 

[leodisflowers]

IMO there isn't an issue with our S&C that time won't fix. For the big boys in the trenches I've heard multiple former NFL linemen say it takes 2-3 years to get a guy to play at the top of his level. Duval's had less than 2 years and we HAVE made strides. The problem is that you can only do so much with S&C. You have to have some natural quickness in order to play at a high level in a P5 conference. Jurgens has it. Jaimes when healthy has it. The rest of the guys aren't quite there yet. Right tackle? Don't know if he can get there. I'm not sure if it's physical or mental with him but he looks slow to react at times. D line? Most of the time physically this year they've been ok. They look bad when they get caught in a blocking scheme they weren't expecting. That's not unusual. I'm anxious to see more of Green. I know for sure that we're better at DE this year than we were last year. Freedom routinely got trucked.

I don't doubt they are stronger right now. I agree with you there, but Strength and conditioning has other aspects. I don't feel we are the best conditioned team right now. A lot of that is mental, but we are not there yet and I agree it will take time. The biggest deficiency I see is the fact that I feel like we are getting slower and not as quick. This is where I really want to see Duvall get it turned around. Getting stronger is great, but we also need to maintain the quickness and speed with increased size and strength. I know they have all of the tools, but just as an eye-test this year it is something that seems off. Which is weird because I feel like guys like Ziggy, Stanley and others we saw the transformation of what the S&C could do for them. Something weird has happened this year.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

yes, it is. you post the same 3 facts every time you log on. I just wanted to make sure you didn't forget that one this time.

you're welcome.

yes.. much like the same set of explanations from the 0-6 start in 2018 have been resurrected and are on prominent display this season

 

[timnsun]

you are correct -- in retrospect I would say the opinions are balanced with very vocal posters on either side

Much of what I posts are simply facts or direct quotes- the problem is that these often make some uncomfortable

ie - Riley won 19 games in his three years at Nebraska and was fired because that wasn't good enough
Frost will likely have a hard time surpassing this record

Matt Campbell took over a program that had won 8 games in 3 years and was able to win 8 games in year 2

or how we were told that the 2017 team was really a 6-7 win team by someone who should know ... this statement is mocked even though it is a direct quote from the head coach

those are facts - all the commotion comes from the ensuing debate concerning the "yes ... but .... culture, back squats, Mike Riley, etc, etc" - some may be valid but for the most part is pure conjecture

this 4 page + thread was started by posting a journalists tweet with a direct quote from the AD

A cherry-picked direct quote I might add... and you were the one that made it about patience. McKewon didn’t. Even though Moos very obviously had much to say about patience unrelated to the walk on program.

You clearly had an agenda in this post, your sociology experiment, as you indicated later.

If that’s the only reason to post that quote, it’s a dick move. People are emotional, as you indicated, one way or the other. Way to light the fuse again. Clearly you know what you are doing.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

A cherry-picked direct quote I might add... and you were the one that made it about patience. McKewon didn’t. Even though Moos very obviously had much to say about patience unrelated to the walk on program.

You clearly had an agenda in this post, your sociology experiment, as you indicated later.

If that’s the only reason to post that quote, it’s a dick move. People are emotional, as you indicated, one way or the other. Way to light the fuse again. Clearly you know what you are doing.

I believe this site has an ignore feature for those who might find my posts to be too emotionally triggering

perhaps there is way to attach a trigger warning for the emotionally fragile

 

[CatColumbia]

I said there's no evidence he's an elite strength coach (i.e. better than most other D-I strength coaches). I'm sure he's good, but so is every other Power 5 strength coach because they make 6-7 figures now. But there's no evidence that Duval has methods or research or motivational techniques that are vastly superior to other college football strength coaches. Most teams we've faced this year have looked better in terms of strength and conditioning, even Colorado and Minnesota.

Completely agree with this. Sure, we're throwing more weight around but so is the rest of the B10. With today's technology and money, it will be very hard to stand out like we did in the 90s in the S&C area.

 

[timnsun]

I believe this site has an ignore feature for those who might find my posts to be too emotionally triggering

perhaps there is way to attach a trigger warning

I know, you’re right, but here’s the thing. I don’t have a problem with all of your posts. Much of the time I appreciate your posts. There are also times I don’t, but just don’t respond. And then there are times like this. Can you at least admit it was a troll job? You were looking for a specific response and you got it. Well done.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

I know, you’re right, but here’s the thing. I don’t have a problem with all of your posts. Much of the time I appreciate your posts. There are also times I don’t, but just don’t respond. And then there are times like this. Can you at least admit it was a troll job? You were looking for a specific response and you got it. Well done.

maybe you are right

I suspect most posts on here are posted in the spirit of having a lengthy discussion or debate ... this site wouldn't exist if there weren't multi page threads and lots of activity

the over the top sunshine posts could be considered trolls as well ... I engage but they really don't bother me

people can decide for themselves whether or not they think a post is a "troll" and if they deem it as such demonstrate some modicum of self control by not engaging if it is too distressing

 

[timnsun]

maybe you are right

I suspect most posts on here are posted in the spirit of having a lengthy discussion or debate ... this site wouldn't exist if there weren't multi page threads and lots of activity

people can decide for themselves whether or not they think a post is a "troll" and if they deem it as such demonstrate some modicum of self control by not engaging if it is too distressing

Fair enough.

I would also say that you are clearly an intelligent poster. I find it hard to believe that you started this thread with the subject line about patience wouldn’t start some sort of pissing match. Had you posted Parker Gabriel’s tweet where Moos actually uses the word patience, with the same title, this thread feels completely different to me.

But I am evidently thin-skinned and need to cool my jets more often.

Yes, I could choose not to respond. Often I make that choice, but not often enough. It would be easier not to respond if you weren’t such a pot-stirrer. You know how to press buttons and do it well.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Fair enough.

I would also say that you are clearly an intelligent poster. I find it hard to believe that you started this thread with the subject line about patience wouldn’t start some sort of pissing match. Had you posted Parker Gabriel’s tweet where Moos actually uses the word patience, with the same title, this thread feels completely different to me.

But I am evidently thin-skinned and need to cool my jets more often.

Yes, I could choose not to respond. Often I make that choice, but not often enough. It would be easier not to respond if you weren’t such a pot-stirrer. You know how to press buttons and do it well.

debate is good .... you are one of the posters that give insightful arguments in many of these back and forth threads ...

 

[timnsun]

debate is good .... you are one of the posters that give insightful arguments in many of these back and forth threads ...

Not sure I agree... I am pretty one-sided much of the time. I try to be open to other perspectives, but let my emotions intervene too much. Too invested in this staff and this team.

I appreciate the nice words, I just also know how hard it is for me to see other points of view. It’s who I am I guess.

Debate is good. I do agree with that. And you have some of the best facts out there.

 

[uberism1111]

jlb321, take a chill pill. No hard working adult has time to post that much on a work day.

 

[WHCSC]

jlb321, take a chill pill. No hard working adult has time to post that much on a work day.

Then Frost must have a ton of time to post since he doesn't work at all! ~jlb321Winking