Okay I agree - if we are getting guaranteed top 10 classes every year, hire Mickey. Where can I sign?
Mickey Is Our Coach
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Really? You're just going to start off with comparing Mickey to Gundy as if he doesn't have a lengthy resume beyond today? Gundy isn't coming fwiw.
No I am not comparing I am saying that even the really good coaches that have been discussed are having really bad games and we should all realize that when saying this guy or that guy is going to be the savior.
Didn't say he was coming but he begged for an interview when Riley was hired fyi
Yeah that's pretty funny....Mickey gets one 4-star kid from Lincoln, and people act like 5-star recruits are going to turn down Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State to play for a program that hasn't had a winning season since 2016.
NIL money will probably ensure that we'll get Top 25 classes regardless of who the coach is....but nobody is going to bring in Top 10 classes here anytime soon.
A necessary step before dreaming of conference and natties regularly again.
Just win the damn division we should win year in and year out and grow from there.
You’re not being rational. I like how you put air quotes around "done something" in order to dismiss experience as meaning anything. You know, actual objective evidence of success. But you guarantee top 10 recruiting classes based on... your imagination? What? You think Mickey is the guy based on... you have a good feeling about it? You're welcome to who you want, and I DO like Mickey. But thinking he has earned this job is just crazy.
Yeah Nebraska is approaching 10 straight years without winning the division. 10 years ago we got blown out by him on his 3rd straight conference title. He is a damn good coach. Joseph isn't.
Those coaches have impressive resumes where they have won at a high level. Nobody is saying get a coach that never has a bad game, but there is a difference between coaches with sustained success and a guy who hasn't won anything. Joseph has been a position coach, a failed Associate HC and an interim coach with a losing record. It isn't even remotely comparable.
I love MJ as a person and as a coach and recruiter. He has to stay on the staff next year one way or another.
Doesn't matter MJ FAILED when the sleeding got tough. He is the coach you apologist
The defense is better and played well enough to have won yesterday's game if CT doesn't get injured. This doesn't necessarily mean I support MJ getting the HC job though.
For me it will depend on who out there is willing to take the HC position. Mickey might be the best choice by a process of elimination. If he isn't the next HC, I believe he should definitely be retained as an assistant.
If Trev hires Mickey, then Nebraska officially is an absolute joke in college football and we shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone. Hiring a losing interim coach with an unimpressive resume is the last thing this program needs after what will be 6 straight losing seasons.
Not picking on you, I've seen others say the same thing.. but what the hell is it people saying a guy has to "EARN" the job. I don't get it. Where anywhere does someone earn a job? It makes no gd sense. Do you earn your job?
You're either qualified, or not. And the hiring person may have different requirements for qualification than what you may think the job entails.
If you mean he hasn't paid his dues, I think people should look at his resume and try to square that one too.
It's fine if you pick on me, I get where you're coming from but I think you're splitting hairs. Use whatever term you want, "experience" "qualified" "earned"... whatever. It's all the same thing. A program of Nebraska's stature that has been losing like we have shouldn't be taking the risk of hiring a guy with zero track record as a head coach. If Mickey is hired I think he brings some interesting stuff to the table and I'll be excited to see what he can do. But that's not going to happen. And yes, I earned my job and wouldn't have been considered for it if I hadn't had a decade of experience showing my current employers that I was capable of running their companies.
Well genius, then the conclusion must be to never hire someone with experience since it didn't work out in one specific instance. Right?
Or if you hire the "guy" the right "guy" and Nebraska "guy" you might not necessarily need someone with a boatload of experience. Mickey has proven himself at every level!!
No, no. Since hiring a Nebraska guy and a former quarterback didn't work out we have to avoid those things too, along with experience. That's how your logic works and you can't have it both ways.
The whole discussion is an interesting one. I keep looking at what the Raiders did when they didn’t retain Bisaccia their interim coach. They were pretty good under him last year. Now with their new outside hire? Not so much. Clearly Bisaccia was under qualified but his players played their *** off for him.
who knows what the right move is here. I wouldn’t want to have to make the call. One thing I learned when making professional hires, these things normally become evident as you work through the process. Some people you think you want really aren’t interested or make unreslistic demands.
one thing I am positive of though is that Trev knows very well if Mickey is up to the job or not. We’ll have our answer IMO in about a month
I honestly think recruiting and public persona are the two most important traits a head coach needs in today's game
attract the jimmy's and joe's, hire the x's and o's
being the head coach at kansas or ksu or baylor is nothing like being the head coach at Nebraska. not comparable in the least.
attract the jimmy's and joe's, hire the x's and o's
being the head coach at kansas or ksu or baylor is nothing like being the head coach at Nebraska. not comparable in the least.
I'm fine if Mickey gets the job. I don't think he will and I think there are very obvious reasons why he won't. Do I think it's dumb to think he's 100% the guy and start 14 different threads complete with multiple exclamation points daily to tell us all why they should just give him the job? Yes, yes I do. At least Bisaccia was wildly successful by the Raiders' normal standards. Can we say that about Joseph so far? No.
why isn’t anyone talking about Bill Busch for HC?? He’s a Nebraska guy, he’s found success everywhere he’s gone (he even has a national championship at LSU), he’s an ace recruiter, he’s a Nebraska guy, he’s got load of experience - more than any of us here on this board, that I can bank on - and his defensive unit is leaps and bounds above and/or better what it was before under Chins. They fight for him. When was the last time we could say that (remind you of anyone??6)
Its the perfect diamond in the ruff and you know MJ will stay if he’s hired as the HC
Its the perfect diamond in the ruff and you know MJ will stay if he’s hired as the HC
No. We spent big money on a coach with only 2 years of head-coaching experience at the Non Power 5 level.
I wanted Frost as much as anyone, but he was far from a proven winner. He had one winning season in the AAC conference. He was not a proven Power 5 level coach.
I think Mickey has well over a decade and possibly 2 decades of experience.. but certainly not head coach at power 5 level.. How did you get that decade of experience at your current position? Someone had to trust in you the very first time, otherwise you wouldn't have accumulated that experience.
It is the chicken and the egg.. if you don't give people chances, they can never succeed and grow into a position. Likewise, you don't give just anyone a chance, and that's where I suppose qualifications of what a person can do vs what hard requirements are essential need to be weighed.
So I guess it boils down to those that want a track record vs those who don't have a track record, or as you put it, "zero track record".
How important is that metric in Nebraska's situation?
Solich & Pelini had zero head coaching track records, and won at around 70-75% of their games.
Callahan, Riley, & Frost had a head coaching track record, with about a 50% winning percentage, with Scott's being more closer to 30% if I remember correctly.
Tom wasn't a power 5 level head coach before he was promoted by Bob. So in our albeit small sample size, it looks to me like the guys with zero track record have actually done better than those who did have one.
Not every airline has Captain Al Haynes in the cockpit but we still get on the plane.
mickey is a good coach. maybe not hc material, yet. past mist steps have closed the door for him at nebr.