Michigan and expectations

Ewooc

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This is the game where we will have a real look at a better B1G team, and how the Huskers perform.

I think we lose. I'm more curious about how we compete in the game. This and the Ohio State game are the only games that I've watched that I didn't think the Huskers could win. I'm not sure about that. The O-State team is clearly dominant. The rest can be beaten.

We will learn alot from this game, win or lose. The difference from the recent past; this Husker team will be better at the end of the year.

I think we lose to Michigan, Ohio State and Wisconsin, then win the rest. What do you think?

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Tomorrow game will be a sign. If we come out and make the same mistakes again this week. Michigan will be a blood bath.
 
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z28craz

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Tomorrow game will be a sign. If we come out and make the same mistakes again this week. Michigan will be a blood bath.

This is exactly why I said in my first post that maybe we should get by Troy first. If we don’t get our mistakes cleaned up I’m not at all optimistic about going to Ann Arbor. We clean up mistakes and play a very physical game and I think things are different going into next week. But Troy first and we should not sleep on them.
 
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USeR=11086]@Solana Beach Husker[/USER] tell me why you are a fan. Tell me where you lived your freshman year. My Aunt works for the HR. How old are you Solana Beach? I never heard of a Solana Beach. Is it near San Diego.

I live in Grand Island, Nebraska, I believe you have found a situation that your mother never taught you about.
Wow. They don't call him Scowl for nothing. Fight bar !!
 

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I think Frost can’t wait to faceoff with UM. He’ll feel better about their chances if AM is 100%, but I think he’s the kind of guy that relishes the challenge. Just a matter of time before the team gets there. Confidence and bad-assness will do wonders.
 

Ewooc

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This is exactly why I said in my first post that maybe we should get by Troy first. If we don’t get our mistakes cleaned up I’m not at all optimistic about going to Ann Arbor. We clean up mistakes and play a very physical game and I think things are different going into next week. But Troy first and we should not sleep on them.
Nope, coming into the season I was more concerned about Troy than the Buffs.
 
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I’ll say this, any team has a chance to win on any given Saturday and the same goes for us. I disagree on our talent level being at a all time low. We have the talent, it just wasn’t being coached up at all the past 3-5 years. If Frost and this staff has a great plan installed for the Michigan game and all the players are fully ready, fully bought in and completely on the same page, I honestly think we could squeak out a win. Naturally I’d say Michigan should be the favorite here, and rightfully so. But they have struggled on the offensive side of things and done great on the defense. If we can move the ball on Michigan and get into the end zone and slow there struggling offense down enough...we could pull this off. I won’t guess a score but I’ll say we have a chance...that’s it though, a chance.
 

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I’ll say this, any team has a chance to win on any given Saturday and the same goes for us. I disagree on our talent level being at a all time low. We have the talent, it just wasn’t being coached up at all the past 3-5 years. If Frost and this staff has a great plan installed for the Michigan game and all the players are fully ready, fully bought in and completely on the same page, I honestly think we could squeak out a win. Naturally I’d say Michigan should be the favorite here, and rightfully so. But they have struggled on the offensive side of things and done great on the defense. If we can move the ball on Michigan and get into the end zone and slow there struggling offense down enough...we could pull this off. I won’t guess a score but I’ll say we have a chance...that’s it though, a chance.

Of course there is always a chance - anything is possible but the better discussion is what is probable.

There is a lot in your post indicating that if the coaching is up to par this should be a close game - does this mean if it isn’t close the coaches did a poor job?
 

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I’ll say this, any team has a chance to win on any given Saturday and the same goes for us. I disagree on our talent level being at a all time low. We have the talent, it just wasn’t being coached up at all the past 3-5 years. If Frost and this staff has a great plan installed for the Michigan game and all the players are fully ready, fully bought in and completely on the same page, I honestly think we could squeak out a win. Naturally I’d say Michigan should be the favorite here, and rightfully so. But they have struggled on the offensive side of things and done great on the defense. If we can move the ball on Michigan and get into the end zone and slow there struggling offense down enough...we could pull this off. I won’t guess a score but I’ll say we have a chance...that’s it though, a chance.

I too think we have a good chance of beating Michigan. Their offense, as usual, is average at best. I think we'll attack them viciously.

Michigan's defense, however, is very good. Very good. But if AM is playing he's a huge threat "and" we've got lots & lots of lethal talent offensively. Even better, lo & behold, our OLine is magically vastly improved. I swear HCSF has some kind of magic wand.

I repeat.....a good chance.
 

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Really only worried about Troy at this point. A nice win tomorrow gives the team some much needed confidence and momentum heading into the Big House. And by the way, Troy is no slouch. They beat LSU last year and went 11-2, winning their bowl game.

This game may not be nearly as easy as Husker fans seem to think.
 
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mgbreeze

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I asked this question in a different thread. Would the UCF team of last year beat CU rhis year? It is an interesting thought to ponder.

I saw the other other thread, unless I missed something I think that thread is still waiting for your explanation of why this is an interesting thought? Anything objective points to the conclusion that last year's UCF team would destroy CU this year. So why is this an interesting question?
 

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I’ll say this, any team has a chance to win on any given Saturday and the same goes for us. I disagree on our talent level being at a all time low. We have the talent, it just wasn’t being coached up at all the past 3-5 years. If Frost and this staff has a great plan installed for the Michigan game and all the players are fully ready, fully bought in and completely on the same page, I honestly think we could squeak out a win. Naturally I’d say Michigan should be the favorite here, and rightfully so. But they have struggled on the offensive side of things and done great on the defense. If we can move the ball on Michigan and get into the end zone and slow there struggling offense down enough...we could pull this off. I won’t guess a score but I’ll say we have a chance...that’s it though, a chance.
I think we have the talent to go toe toe with anyone in the country. The problem has been this team has had no confidence, drive, fire, or passion the last 3 year plus. I think the biggest key to beating Michigan is having the confidence to believe they can. They are so use to getting pounded by the "big boys" I don't know if their mentality will be there yet to pull off a win.
 

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As a neutral observer I give the Huskers a great chance of upsetting Michigan. For all the touting of speed, um's D looked fairly pedestrian (even speedwise) against nd. UM was never in the game against ND and the on field personnel differential was telling. I can easily see Nebraska with AM put a bunch of points on Michigan. And the big house is probably the most benign road trip amongst contenders.
On defense NE's scheme shown against CO will stymie Michigan (with a immobile qb) a lot of the time. Obviously it's not a guaranteed win but I see NE with a very good shot. All this definitely requires AM to be the qb,
 

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I think we have the talent to go toe toe with anyone in the country. The problem has been this team has had no confidence, drive, fire, or passion the last 3 year plus. I think the biggest key to beating Michigan is having the confidence to believe they can. They are so use to getting pounded by the "big boys" I don't know if their mentality will be there yet to pull off a win.

I have to disagree. I think we have the talent to go up against most teams in the conference including Michigan, but our depth in some key areas is suspect, and we don't have high level talent at more than a couple of positions.

Can we be a good team? Yes.

Can we beat a team like Michigan? yes, but on the road is tough and probably not if AM is hurt.

Can we beat the Bama's of the world? Not at this stage, IMO
 

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In this day and age of media distraction, scholarship/time limits with kids, increased scrutiny on grades, and mass transfers any team can beat any team. We can easily beat michigan if we play a clean game...especially at 11 am. Starting lineups are younger than they ever have been, senior leadership is less than it has been in the past, so teams can truly lay some eggs. Georgia was beat by 40 last year and ended up playing in the NC game and being seconds away from winning, until a freshman saved the day.
 

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As a neutral observer I give the Huskers a great chance of upsetting Michigan. For all the touting of speed, um's D looked fairly pedestrian (even speedwise) against nd. UM was never in the game against ND and the on field personnel differential was telling. I can easily see Nebraska with AM put a bunch of points on Michigan. And the big house is probably the most benign road trip amongst contenders.
On defense NE's scheme shown against CO will stymie Michigan (with a immobile qb) a lot of the time. Obviously it's not a guaranteed win but I see NE with a very good shot. All this definitely requires AM to be the qb,
I saw the same thing. Notre Dame looked a lot bigger and faster than Michigan.
 

oldjar07

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We have a good chance to make a run in the Big 10 this year. The Big 10 is down this year and we have an opportunity to surprise a lot of people and rack up some wins in conference play. Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan St, Iowa all have a lot of flaws and Frost can exploit them. Our OL and CB's are miles ahead of what I thought they'd be and should continue to improve as the season goes along. I'm thinking we get the W against Michigan. They still have a pedestrian offense and we can put up enough points for the win.
 

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I saw the other other thread, unless I missed something I think that thread is still waiting for your explanation of why this is an interesting thought? Anything objective points to the conclusion that last year's UCF team would destroy CU this year. So why is this an interesting question?

IF UCF team from last year could potentially beat the CU team from this year it says something about either the players or the coaching. The chatter on here has been non-stop we have the talent but not the coaching. Now we have, by some standards, the top coaches in the country so what's left? If you get beat by a team that UCF could have beat last year, the statement is you aren't very good.

Assume last year's UCF team could not have beaten them this year, then you are saying that with all of the talent Frost inherited, he can't get it to a high enough level to beat the lowly Buffs.

I contend, losing to CU was more damaging than most want to admit. It sends the statement that even though on paper we have better talent, it did not transfer into a win and if we have a better coaching staff, that didn't help either. If CU goes on to finish in the middle of their league, we really have some "splaining" to do.
 

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IF UCF team from last year could potentially beat the CU team from this year it says something about either the players or the coaching. The chatter on here has been non-stop we have the talent but not the coaching. Now we have, by some standards, the top coaches in the country so what's left? If you get beat by a team that UCF could have beat last year, the statement is you aren't very good.

Assume last year's UCF team could not have beaten them this year, then you are saying that with all of the talent Frost inherited, he can't get it to a high enough level to beat the lowly Buffs.

I contend, losing to CU was more damaging than most want to admit. It sends the statement that even though on paper we have better talent, it did not transfer into a win and if we have a better coaching staff, that didn't help either. If CU goes on to finish in the middle of their league, we really have some "splaining" to do.
Let me ‘splain.

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As a neutral observer I give the Huskers a great chance of upsetting Michigan. For all the touting of speed, um's D looked fairly pedestrian (even speedwise) against nd. UM was never in the game against ND and the on field personnel differential was telling. I can easily see Nebraska with AM put a bunch of points on Michigan. And the big house is probably the most benign road trip amongst contenders.
On defense NE's scheme shown against CO will stymie Michigan (with a immobile qb) a lot of the time. Obviously it's not a guaranteed win but I see NE with a very good shot. All this definitely requires AM to be the qb,

RollingLaughRollingLaugh
 

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I already look forward to 2019 in Lincoln. Devin Bush is probably the fastest LB in college and a future high pick in the pros as well as our DE's Gary and Winovich.

This is Don Brown's fastest defense (his words) ever. It is built to stop spread offenses. Brown spied Winbush in the 2nd half and shut him down completely. We look forward to welcoming your 18 year old freshmen playing in front of 110,000 fans. Scott Frost is no longer playing QB at Nebraska.

Nebraska will do well to keep the score within 17 points. I don't see Suh playing on that defense.

ND threw 4 long 50/50 balls caught by 6'5" receivers at ND. How many 6'5" receivers does Nebraska have? What is the score if Nebraska starts at ND?
Score board 2-1...Go Big Red!!
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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We have a good chance to make a run in the Big 10 this year. The Big 10 is down this year and we have an opportunity to surprise a lot of people and rack up some wins in conference play. Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan St, Iowa all have a lot of flaws and Frost can exploit them. Our OL and CB's are miles ahead of what I thought they'd be and should continue to improve as the season goes along. I'm thinking we get the W against Michigan. They still have a pedestrian offense and we can put up enough points for the win.

Sounds like if we have any more than a 2 or 3 losses it is primarily the result of poor coaching.

I commend the next level football knowledge from many that after breaking down the film of a home loss to a mediocre Colorado team we are going to be competing for a conference championship.
 

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I’ll say this, any team has a chance to win on any given Saturday and the same goes for us. I disagree on our talent level being at a all time low. We have the talent, it just wasn’t being coached up at all the past 3-5 years. If Frost and this staff has a great plan installed for the Michigan game and all the players are fully ready, fully bought in and completely on the same page, I honestly think we could squeak out a win. Naturally I’d say Michigan should be the favorite here, and rightfully so. But they have struggled on the offensive side of things and done great on the defense. If we can move the ball on Michigan and get into the end zone and slow there struggling offense down enough...we could pull this off. I won’t guess a score but I’ll say we have a chance...that’s it though, a chance.

If you really believe what you are writing you do nothing but box the coaching staff in. You say they have the talent to beat anyone which is clearly not the case. We couldn't beat CU and you can use all the excuses you want, first game, young players at some positions but clearly, the "talent" alone was not high enough. Then it is coaching wasn't good enough to match the talent, well now they have been coached up for several months and they still did not win. Then you talk about such a great coaching staff with talented players still not being able to get it done because of a poor game plan and the coaches not getting the players ready. So if I am reading your post, all you are providing are excuses for reasons why they do not win and they have nothing to do with talent but all to do with coaching. Yea, I guess we can all say "if" on about everything we do in life. If you have enough ifs in the formula, the odds become much much less.
 

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If you really believe what you are writing you do nothing but box the coaching staff in. You say they have the talent to beat anyone which is clearly not the case. We couldn't beat CU and you can use all the excuses you want, first game, young players at some positions but clearly, the "talent" alone was not high enough. Then it is coaching wasn't good enough to match the talent, well now they have been coached up for several months and they still did not win. Then you talk about such a great coaching staff with talented players still not being able to get it done because of a poor game plan and the coaches not getting the players ready. So if I am reading your post, all you are providing are excuses for reasons why they do not win and they have nothing to do with talent but all to do with coaching. Yea, I guess we can all say "if" on about everything we do in life. If you have enough ifs in the formula, the odds become much much less.
We outplayed Colorado and still lost. It happens, but we clearly have the talent to beat them. Even great coaches a lot of times struggle their first year. It's a struggle just to install their playbook let alone get their players performing at a high level right away. It's going to take some time and the coaching staff and players will make some mistakes along the way. That doesn't mean they suck. We have the talent to play with anyone on our schedule besides maybe Ohio State.

Colorado is one of the toughest games on our schedule. They looked vastly improved this year, and if not they certainly got up to play an old rival just like they always do. The Big 10 is down this year and our schedule is no longer the gauntlet most thought it was. Michigan, Mich St, Wisconsin are all very beatable teams.
 
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Still want to talk about Michigan? Or should we maybe get by Troy first?

I'm not posting any more expectations or thoughts because I'm lost. I have no idea what will happen. I've never bet on a Husker game. It's hard to separate my heart and mind. Dump on me, I deserve it.
 

red scowl

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You know nothing of what you speak

Turns out you're right. I will eat my crow. I didn't see that one coming. I will post no further expectations. I should have understood how foolish with all the newness. Too many variables. I deserve whatever you have too say.
 

red scowl

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Tomorrow game will be a sign. If we come out and make the same mistakes again this week. Michigan will be a blood bath.

I didn't see that happening. Were 0-2. I hope the fan base understands, they will need alot ot patience. I'm 100% behind Frost and the Huskers. It's just going to take time. GBR!

Beat Michigan!
 
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I have not watched Michigan play at all this year.

I haven't even seen Nebraska play yet. I had to listen to both games(I don't have cable)

So I'm gonna homey it up and say Nebraska beats Michigan. And also for one other reason, we are the red team playing football.
 
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z28craz

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I'm not posting any more expectations or thoughts because I'm lost. I have no idea what will happen. I've never bet on a Husker game. It's hard to separate my heart and mind. Dump on me, I deserve it.

No reason for anyone to dump on you. We’re all hyped. I fully admit I was guzzling the kool aid by the gallons over the summer. I’m on record many times stating 8-4. I admit when Gebbia transferred I knew our entire season hinged on a true freshman staying healthy. When AM went down I knew we were in trouble and I, sadly, lowered my expectations of this season.

I still think Frost was a grand slam hire. I don’t think it’s a matter of if but when he achieves greatness at NU. But the reality is we have pockets of really talented guys are certain areas. But we lack depth and consistency. I honestly believe as the team focuses on details, accountability, etc the consistency will come, as early as later this year. Depth will have to be built over the course of several years. I think without AM, Michigan beats us fairly soundly this weekend. But with a 100% AM I still think we beat Purdue, Minny, NW, Illinois, and I think we give Wisky, MSU and Iowa hell and probably beat MSU and Iowa. But again I think it all hangs on the health of AM and the overall progression of our youngest players.

It’s a moot point and not worth dwelling on because there’s no going back, and most is out of anyone’s control but I think the combination of losing TG and not being able to play game one drastically set us back. Had we played Akron and won, I really think we learn and avoid some of the costly mistakes that cost us the game against CU. If we go into Troy at 2-0 cleaned up, I think we win. This season just started so rocky it’s hard to maintain my preseason expectations. If we go into Michigan 3-0 it’s totally different. That first week is just going to be really hard to overcome considering the previous culture of quitting and year one of a new system. I think Frost has worked wonders to this point to change the culture, but that’s the hardest part, and sometimes it takes significant turnover. But once changed it could have the greatest impact.

So keep drinking the kool aid my friend. I know I will. And one day Frost is going to make good on what we’re drinking. I’m keeping the faith, just adjusting my timetable for payoff. Next season.
 

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I don't have a good read on Michigan so far. I saw the ND/Michigan game and a few points:

- ND was able to gash some very big holes in Michigan's D due to some poor gap control up front and safeties getting pulled out of the plays.
- On offense they were mediocre. I didn't get a sense of an identity anywhere from their O.
- On both sides of the line they looked soft

It wasn't that ND was so good to beat them, it was that, to me, ND was pretty average and they still lost (look at the Ball State game ND played the following week - they needed a couple of interceptions to win that one). They could show a big jump in these early weeks, but I don't think this is a typical "Michigan" B10 team.

Here's an unbiased take: it was a night game on the road week 1 against a rival, if you watched that game you know that ND had two incredible catches in the first 6 minutes to go up 14, as well as our starting safety getting ejected, the final 54 minutes of the game their total yardage was 130.

As for the Michigan offense struggling, ND's strength is their defense (currently rated 5th in the s&p+) that is better than Nebraska by a wide margin. Having to face that game 1 one the road leads to an offense that looks bad.
 

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Here's an unbiased take: it was a night game on the road week 1 against a rival, if you watched that game you know that ND had two incredible catches in the first 6 minutes to go up 14, as well as our starting safety getting ejected, the final 54 minutes of the game their total yardage was 130.

As for the Michigan offense struggling, ND's strength is their defense (currently rated 5th in the s&p+) that is better than Nebraska by a wide margin. Having to face that game 1 one the road leads to an offense that looks bad.

and then ND put up similar offensive (and defensive) games against Ball State and Vandy.