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Message from Chris Ash That Bears Repeating
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This post convinces me you're a troll...or a full blown retard.
In 45 seconds no less...oh and then the punter you inherited from your predecessor can only punt it 35 yards, so your gassed D starts at mid-field.
Again I agree. Last seasons offense was historically bad! Defensively except for a couple of exception where the game got away from them early they performed at decently for 2.5 quarters of most games. I am optimistic about Ash and the upcoming season. Ash recognized his mistake with the offense and politely ushered the inexperienced OC out and brought Kill in. With the return of Grant, improved QB play from Gio/Lewis, improved talent and better utilization of the skill positions, improved play calling, schemes, and in game adjustments, if Kill can get this offense to a modest 85 to 95 ranking, this team should have significantly better results on the scoreboard
Rutgers personnel isn't even close to being competitive with Washington. The Washington front 7 is one of the best in College Football.
Many RU fans really have no clue when it comes to understanding how good many of the teams on the schedule are although while I agree that Washington has elite level talent, I would hope the game can be competitive with at worst Washington putting it out of reach in the 4th quarter.
I would hope that we see some improvement against second-tier teams this season. But as to being competitive against the top tier Big Ten or OOC teams, it's going to take at least three years to start to see much improvement unless those teams are having a down year (like Michigan did when we played them in year one of the Big Ten). I think we'll be marginally improved, but lacking depth, we're an injury or two from having a very, very difficult season again. Next year we will have a bit more depth, hopefully.
OSU, UM, MSU - these teams have much greater depth at all positions than we do. We had Janarion Grant for part of last season and you saw his impact (and the impact of losing him). The elite Big Ten teams have dozens of Janarion Grants all competing to play. When one gets hurt, there are many others waiting in the wings.
We need multiple years of improving recruiting. Multiple years of improved S&C. Multiple years with the same freaking offensive coordinator. We need to be three deep with players and we need to be playing mostly upper-classmen. Then maybe we can compete with the big boys.
Fans can be as impatient and miserable as they want. It's not going to speed up the process. Until we're ready to spend what it takes to get a coach that can instantly recruit (here at RU) on par w/these other programs, shuffling coaching staffs in and out will mean lots of time wasted while each new coach redoes all the work of building relationships w/HS coaches in NJ, implementing new systems, allowing staffs to gel, etc.
There is no shortcut that doesn't cost more than we're willing to spend at the moment. So either enjoy the process or be miserable. Is entirely up to you.
Exactly. To me improvement will be measured in the 2 punching bags we brought in OOC, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, and Maryland. Those are the 6 games on paper we have a shot at winning without some sort of Divine Intervention.
We definitely could use Devine, but I think he's currently on the Deceased Reserve list with a total body.
I agree with most of your post but strongly disagree on your assessment that the elite teams have many Janarion Grants. Based on what he did last season before his injury, I cant think of more than maybe a half dozen B1G players as dynamic as Mr. Grant
It is not a stretch to say RU should have a shot at winning each of the games you mentioned.
Lol last year was always going to be a disaster w or w/o Ash. And completely changing both the O & the D. Where do you guys come up with this stuff
It's an insurmountable task that only big name charismatic proven winner $5 million head coach has any chance at succeeding. I support coach Ash but there are only a few people on the planet that would have any chance of bringing RU football back from the abyss. A no-name former OC or DC has no chance. It's not Ash's fault. Hobbs is not a football guy and doesn't understand what an insurmountable task it is for RU to play competitively in the B1G east.
Maybe. But I also think that we (all of us humans) have a tendency towards provincial thinking when we see an outstanding player like that. By which I mean that we don't see that player compared to the many players from some of the elite teams who would quite possibly be equally outstanding set against the backdrop of our current roster.
Yes, barring critical injuries. We're still very, very thin at many, maybe even most, position groups.
IMO you are vastly overstating the situation ("insurmountable task"???). Just 2 season ago RU finished 8-5 playing in the same division coached by Flood and there is no reason why if thing go as they should, they cant be at that level in 2 to 3 years. From there they will have a chance to start keeping more of the targeting recruits at home and if they can do that there is no reason why they can be competitive with and occasionally upset the best in their conference. If a DC name Schiano can take the program from where it was when he came aboard (worse than the current state) and take it to where it was when he left then the possibility of a former DC Ash making the same type of strides is certainly not an insurmountable task.
Lack of depth is one of the biggest hurdles they need to overcome the next few seasons
That's a little too much to ask. There are a couple of games we can be competitive in. Maryland is no longer an easy game for us.
I said Ash gets at minimum 3 years to fix Floods disaster. The crappy part is it's going to be another long year and right now it sucks. But things will get better if they rebuild it correctly. Ash doesn't have to do anything this year by winning. However if he wants to keep recruiting moving forward they can afford these 70-0, 60-0 type losses. Hopefully they are more competitive this season.
Are you that clueless?
(I think you are)
It really is Lewis or bust at this point thanks to Flood and all the great QBs he left Ash to pick from.
(No offense to Gio; hope he has a good season. But no objective observer would say Flood stocked the QB cupboard with a single decent option.)
Maybe you should change that statement to "all the great DUAL THREAT QBs he left Ash to pick from." To be fair, we never found out if Rettig was a good QB. Part of this lies with Flood, and part lies with the switch to dual threat. While few will agree, I still think Laviano was a serviceable to average pro set QB (see his 2015 stats--madchuck, I don't need to hear it for the 1000th time from you--I understand your position). We don't know if Dare would have been good--for all the bitching on this board how Flood never landed top 20 recruits, Dare was the #12 recruit in the state. And finally, the best QB he landed, Philip Nelson, never played here because of that terrible incident. You can lay a lot of blame at Flood's feet for a lot of other things, but you are a little off base with the QB, IMO.
I'm so clueless I think one of Ash's first priorities should have been to land a franchise QB. Instead his earliest priority after being hired was coaching in the Fiesta Bowl and we're paying the price for it now. You have people hanging much hope on a QB that's still in HS. That's a terrible place to be in the best conference in America.
Because Ash is not your choice you will forever hold that Fiesta bowl priority againts him. Even though it's been beaten adnauseum - it wouldn't have made any difference for Rutgers, it was actually good for us cause Ash maintained his network, which benefits us and lastly, it showed Ash' honorable character - which was a complete 180 from his predecessor.
Here's the bottom line - some of you will never give the guy a chance because he is not from here.
I think you a lot of you guys have unrealistic expectations. 2-3 years? You'll never get there if you keep running the coach off in 2-3 years.
Getting back to 8-5 is going to be significantly more difficult than going 8-5 was 2 years ago. To start you play 9 B1G games now vs 8 then. Then go through the B1G East and tell me if the opponents are better or worse than they were 2 years ago. I would say MSU is down, Indiana is down a little, OSU is about the same and UM, us, and Maryland are up. So even if your team is as talented as 2014 you might not go 8-5.
I just went and checked results from 2014 & you were 3-5 in conference beating Michigan, Maryland, and Indiana. There were some lop-sided losses there too. OSU 56-17, MSU 45-3, and Wisconsin 37-0. There were some nice wins that year but I thought the best was beating Navy. You had just come off the emotional last minute loss to us and I remember thinking there was no way Flood wa going to have your guys up for the triple option Navy team. And this is why I don't bet on sports.
Anyway, the point of my post is really about having realistic expectations. You should give a guy 5 years to build the program. A true full recruiting cycle. This is assuming no off-field issues with the coach. You can't build a program if you're always in rebuild mode.
A PSU fan may literally have made the single most rational post in this whole thread lol. If Easter miracles exist, this is proof of that.
Washington dominated Stanford like that too. Washington wasn't even our worse game. As the season went on, we got worse. We can't lose to Illinois by multiple touchdowns or get worked by Maryland. Some of it has to fall on the coaching staff. Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland aren't that much better than us in regard to talent. Look at their recruiting classes.
I would make the argument that we looked better than Stanford up front. Yes. We got torched in pass coverage by UW's speed. Not quoted in my original post, but this is one thing Ash emphasized in his introductory presser--speed. And it continues to be emphasized.
This is the correct answer and should be pinned to the top of this board. I posted this in response to Block R in another thread, and it fits here too:
2014:
tOSU- 56-17 (41 points)
MSU- 45-3 (42 points)
Wisconsin- 37-0 (37 points)
3 blowouts averaging 40 points
2015:
PSU- 28-3 (25 points)
tOSU- 49-7 (42 points)
Wisconsin- 48-10 (38 points)
Michigan- 49-16 (33 points)
4 blowouts averaging 35 points --note the downward trend? Why is that?
2016:
Washington (CFP team) 48-13 (35 points)
tOSU (in CFP)- 58-0 (58 points)
Michigan (nearly in CFP)- 78-0 (78 points)
MSU- 49-0 (49 points)
PSU (nearly in CFP)- 39-0 (39 points)
5 Blowouts averaging 52 points
The downward spiral continues.
No Janarion Grant (except for Washington), our most dynamic playmaker. Where were the replacement playmakers supposed to come from? Oh, that's right, Kyle Flood's recruiting classes! Duh!
Oh, and guess what? No Leonte Carroo (a Greg Schiano recruit).
How many players did we lose in 2016 to arrests/dismissals that could have contributed in 2016?
I'm sure you will bring up the 2015 MSU game. Leonte Carroo accounted for 21 points in that game. No Leonte Carroo, another blowout likely.
And the 2015 Wisconsin game, where the offense mustered 3 whopping points. Our only TD was on an INT. The Badgers' drives on average started at their own 47, while Rutgers on average started at its 25. The Scarlet Knights were held to eight three-and-outs. Why do you think that is? Was this Chris Ash's fault?
And the 16 points in the Michigan game? Our only TD was by Janarion Grant on a kickoff return for 98 yards. Remember, he was not available for the 2016 blowouts. The rest of the 9 points were field goals, and guess what? Janarion Grant put us in position for at least one of those field goals. And guess what? Kyle Federico was a Greg Schiano recuit. Who did Kyle Flood leave us for kicking field goals?
That ^ is exactly right.
There are no shortcuts that don't involve spending money we don't have. And no matter how much we spend on a coach/staff/facilities, NCAA scholarship limits mean it will take three years to build up depth.
It's much easier to be rational about other teams. As for PSU we're going 15-0 and winning the Natty.
That may well be possible with the way you guys played last year. But we plan to spoil that this year. :grimace::fistbump:
Some of our fans have incredibly unrealistic expectations. It seemed clear, simply due to pedigree, that Flood wasn't gonna be the guy to make us competitive in the Big Ten.
The jury is out on Ash. But he has a better pedigree. Regardless, he's not gonna do it in a season or two. Nobody is.
The jury is out on Ash. But he has a better pedigree. Regardless, he's not gonna do it in a season or two. Nobody is.
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