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I heard from a Jay booster they lowballed him with their extension offer. Nebraska should come knocking. Let him bring half his roster and put Fred on his bike.
Why would he leave Creighton for a no name - never been program?
 

Bubblehead

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Only way to have NU be competitive is to hire a winning legend that has run afoul of the law. Someone who has revived programs wherever they’ve been. But get ****** fingers eventually.
 

Monksterd

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I follow ISU pretty closely. I am just aware of the comparison between the two coaches.

ISU fans wanted McDermott to work badly but it just wasn’t panning out. He had some amazing athletic talent at ISU with Craig Brackens, Wes Johnson, Diante Garrett, Mike Taylor - but his teams weren’t even competitive in most games. His teams would get worked up and down the floor. The prevailing thought was that McDermotts philosophy was not taking advantage of the physical talent that a high level conference gives him and his offensive sets were limiting production and athletic capabilities.

McDermotts 2009-2010 team was loaded with talent and they finished with a losing record and went 0.250 in conference. He was basically forced out after that. The following year with a completely overturned roster Hoiberg finished .500 and built a program that propelled him to coach of the Chicago Bulls.

Ask any ISU fan who they would rather have right now between McDermott and Hoiberg and it would be Hoiberg hands down, even with his performance at Nebraska and the Bulls. But I’m sure they are happier with Otz.
That last paragraph is a joke, right?? Find me one ISU fan that would rather have Hoiberg. McDermott didn't work there, but he's since found 10 + years of success at CU. Hoiberg fizzled in the NBA and has been laughably bad at Nebraska. What a terrible take.
 

Woodguy79

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The other thing to remember: AD's like to hire their own guy. And while letting Mac walk would be insidiously stupid, he was a Bruce Rasmussen guy. He and Rass were TIGHT. #TimesChange
 

tpmcg_rivals137159

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The other thing to remember: AD's like to hire their own guy. And while letting Mac walk would be insidiously stupid, he was a Bruce Rasmussen guy. He and Rass were TIGHT. #TimesChange
ive wondered at times how many decent to good coaches have been fired or let go by a new AD and I’d bet it’s more than we’d think.
ride some coattails, it’s ok…
 

ExcellentBread

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That last paragraph is a joke, right?? Find me one ISU fan that would rather have Hoiberg. McDermott didn't work there, but he's since found 10 + years of success at CU. Hoiberg fizzled in the NBA and has been laughably bad at Nebraska. What a terrible take.
I cheer and follow ISU and where I live is mostly ISU fans. Hoiberg is still very popular. His impact at Nebraska has soured expectations but a good amount of people wanted him back after Prohm. Nobody was asking to give McDermott another shot.

It’s really not hard to understand why ISU fans would rather have Hoiberg. He has the highest win percentage of any ISU coach ever. McDermott has the worst win percentage of any coach there in the past 55 years.
 

cubsker_rivals142943

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I cheer and follow ISU and where I live is mostly ISU fans. Hoiberg is still very popular. His impact at Nebraska has soured expectations but a good amount of people wanted him back after Prohm. Nobody was asking to give McDermott another shot.

It’s really not hard to understand why ISU fans would rather have Hoiberg. He has the highest win percentage of any ISU coach ever. McDermott has the worst win percentage of any coach there in the past 55 years.

Hoiberg has the worst win percentage of basically anyone the last three years.
 

BetterRed1

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I cheer and follow ISU and where I live is mostly ISU fans. Hoiberg is still very popular. His impact at Nebraska has soured expectations but a good amount of people wanted him back after Prohm. Nobody was asking to give McDermott another shot.

It’s really not hard to understand why ISU fans would rather have Hoiberg. He has the highest win percentage of any ISU coach ever. McDermott has the worst win percentage of any coach there in the past 55 years.
They’re living in the past, then , if that’s they’re thinking. And not being reasonable. McDermott has proven that he can run a successful offense and recruit. Two vehicles Hoiberg had shown that he cannot. I get it. Hoiberg had success there as a player and is an icon there. But when it comes to coaching a team? Hoiberg ain’t in his class.
 

Monksterd

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They’re living in the past, then , if that’s they’re thinking. And not being reasonable. McDermott has proven that he can run a successful offense and recruit. Two vehicles Hoiberg had shown that he cannot. I get it. Hoiberg had success there as a player and is an icon there. But when it comes to coaching a team? Hoiberg ain’t in his class.
You are right - Hoiberg is light years behind McDermott.
 

farcyted

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I follow ISU pretty closely. I am just aware of the comparison between the two coaches.

ISU fans wanted McDermott to work badly but it just wasn’t panning out. He had some amazing athletic talent at ISU with Craig Brackens, Wes Johnson, Diante Garrett, Mike Taylor - but his teams weren’t even competitive in most games. His teams would get worked up and down the floor. The prevailing thought was that McDermotts philosophy was not taking advantage of the physical talent that a high level conference gives him and his offensive sets were limiting production and athletic capabilities.

McDermotts 2009-2010 team was loaded with talent and they finished with a losing record and went 0.250 in conference. He was basically forced out after that. The following year with a completely overturned roster Hoiberg finished .500 and built a program that propelled him to coach of the Chicago Bulls.

Ask any ISU fan who they would rather have right now between McDermott and Hoiberg and it would be Hoiberg hands down, even with his performance at Nebraska and the Bulls. But I’m sure they are happier with Otz.

You pretty much nailed it.
 

schuele

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I don't think McDermott is a world-beater coach who could rescue a down-and-out Power 5 program, whether it's Nebraska, Georgia, Pitt or whoever. But his teams generally (last Saturday being an exception) know how to move the ball and move without the ball, which makes them both competitive and fun to watch. He's in a good situation, being at a basketball-first school that's right up the road from an athletic program that can't seem to get out of its own way. Creighton should want to keep him and he should be in no rush to leave.
 
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I highly doubt he wins in the Big 10. He has a niche and needs to stay there. Kind of like everyone that leaves Boise in football. Stay where it is easy for you and you are a king.
Peterson turned UDubb into a playoff team. Washington is a much better football program than Nebraska at this point. McDermott would be an excellent get for you guys. I doubt it happens. I bet if he moves it would be for the Iowa job should it open up.
 

leodisflowers

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Peterson turned UDubb into a playoff team. Washington is a much better football program than Nebraska at this point. McDermott would be an excellent get for you guys. I doubt it happens. I bet if he moves it would be for the Iowa job should it open up.
Pederson is the exception and is a decent coach, but he was in the Pac 12. Agree to disagree on McDermott. He's done well at Creighton and should stay there. The conferences are two different animals. I'm not disagreeing he wouldn't be better than Fred, as pretty much any coach would be better than Fred at this point, but we have a great arena, great practice facility, some fan backing when they are competitive, etc. Nebraskans aren't looking for Championship basketball. We are looking to be a competitive team that is top half of the Big 10 and makes the tourney.
 

Harry Caray

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I don't think McDermott is a world-beater coach who could rescue a down-and-out Power 5 program, whether it's Nebraska, Georgia, Pitt or whoever. But his teams generally (last Saturday being an exception) know how to move the ball and move without the ball, which makes them both competitive and fun to watch.

Hoiberg's teams at Iowa State knew how to do that. They were one of the best offensive teams in the country his last three years there, ranking #2, #5, and #12 in the nation in scoring offense. For some reason, he has not been able to replicate that here.

McDermott = sucks horribly at Iowa State, goes to Creighton and does great

Hoiberg = does great at Iowa State, goes to Nebraska and sucks horribly

Nothing makes sense
 

BetterRed1

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Peterson turned UDubb into a playoff team. Washington is a much better football program than Nebraska at this point. McDermott would be an excellent get for you guys. I doubt it happens. I bet if he moves it would be for the Iowa job should it open up.
Nebraska’s football program might be in flux right now, but worse than Washington? Debatable. Washington is a fledgling program and in as much transition as we are. To me, the only way McDermott leaves Creighton is if ever has a riff with their new AD. Otherwise, he’s created a nice culture there and going nowhere.
 

cyclone59

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I like McDermott but he’s not accomplished enough, in my opinion, to land a top 10-15 job. With that being the case, why leave Creighton? Big East has a smokin’ TV deal and as long as NU athletics is a dumpster fire, Jays basketball is the biggest deal in town.
So you are sayinh Nebby is a top 10-15 job??? In what world?
 

FuzzyFreddy

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Yeah, I mean look how many national titles the B1G has produced in college basketball in the last 20 years. Big East only has 6 to the B1G’s zero

Do you have to be reminded of the B1G vs Big East challenge this past season?
Our basketball fans delusional. About like our football fans for that matter.
 

BetterRed1

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So you are sayinh Nebby is a top 10-15 job??? In what world?
Did he ever say Nebraska was a top 10-15 program?? No where did he ever say that. He was talking about McDermott being a good enough coach to land a top coaching position. Is reading comprehension an issue in condiment country?? BTW…you can have your coach back if you’d like.
 

schuele

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So you are sayinh Nebby is a top 10-15 job??? In what world?
Yeah but I wasn't just talking about the Nebraska job. Outside of a dozen or so premiere programs that aren't likely to hire McDermott anyway, there's really not much reason for him to leave Creighton. Jumping ship for Georgia, Pitt, Missouri, etc. wouldn't make sense either, even if they dangled a bit more money.
 

cubsker_rivals142943

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Do you have any real data to back that up. Head to head, national championships won, etc.?

Big East Big Ten challenge is tied 24-24 since it started in 2015. Big East is 16-10 in the three years of their challenge with the Big 12.

Nova has two of the last 5 titles, big ten hasn't won a title since sparty in 2000. Their last one before that was Michigan in 89.
 

TheWayITellEm

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It's very stupid to rant about the Big Ten being worse than other conferences in basketball. Or football. If you're so sure they will lose....why aren't you winning millions in Las Vegas?
 

SuperBigFan

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Yeah but I wasn't just talking about the Nebraska job. Outside of a dozen or so premiere programs that aren't likely to hire McDermott anyway, there's really not much reason for him to leave Creighton. Jumping ship for Georgia, Pitt, Missouri, etc. wouldn't make sense either, even if they dangled a bit more money.
Why leave a job with no expectations and fans that show up because it is a social event.

Jays are like the opposite of UCLA, where no one shows up and you get fired for going to final fours.