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I wonder if Calipari will move Tyrese to point and play Hagans off the ball. I think that would be a really effective game plan moving forward. Maxey has been terrific running point the last couple of games. Let Hagans roam the paint for gaps looking to score or pass.
 

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I believe he is a better point guard. And he can shoot. I've noticed the last few games when he plays point the team is in sync. doesn't seem to rush the offense.
Yes he seems way more comfortable and smooth handling The point now as opposed to a couple of months ago. I think Tyrese is nearly impossible to stop off the dribble or off a screen penetrating to the basket.
 

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Amazing how he's won 300 games while here then.

Man, it was so peaceful when you whiny crybabies were gone while we were on an 8 game winning streak.
Hagans is a very valuable component to our team, we have to have him in the game to win. I just Think Tyrese has elevated his game and is really getting comfortable. When Tyrese was running point we were up 17 points. Hagans is really explosive off the ball running the baseline and finding gaps in the paint. I think it’s a great strategy.

These issues were talking about did not just happen the Tennessee game. Things have been trending in this direction for several games now.
 

docholiday51

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If Hagans isn't at the point why would he be on the floor?Maybe on the defensive end he helps if he is engaged in the game but with Maxey as the point guard Juzang brings more to the table.(at least you know he will play hard on both ends of the court.
 

JC CATS

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I wonder if Calipari will move Tyrese to point and play Hagans off the ball. I think that would be a really effective game plan moving forward. Maxey has been terrific running point the last couple of games. Let Hagans roam the paint for gaps looking to score or pass.
Why in the world would you play Hagans off the ball? His shooting skills? The way he finishes at the rim?
 

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I just don’t like when we run the shot clock down and AH has the ball. He gets soo nervous and starts to panick...this leads to a forced drive that leads into a bad shot, charge or a live ball turnover.

Much rather have Maxey or IQ with the ball when the clock is under 10...their offense is head and shoulders above AH.
 
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Why in the world would you play Hagans off the ball? His shooting skills? The way he finishes at the rim?
Not for shooting threes, along the baseline and in the paint. It’s worked well this year against zone defense. He’s good at lobbing to Nick and even though he has missed a few layups he’s pretty good with being physical down low.

We need him in the game for his defense and physicality. Just not sure if he should be running point when Maxey has looked pretty damn good.
 

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Hagans hasn't lost a game the whole time his turnover numbers have been up. We were 16-2 until fulkerson killed us
Well he didn't guard Fulkerson then...:smiley:
Yes, it was all Fulkerson. He was killing us when we were up 17. The only thing that changed the last 15 minutes is our PG argued with the coach, argued with the center, sent a player to the bench who he wasn’t even supposed to check in for, and proceeded to play like *** and not hustle.
 
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Starting to look like hagans might throw a fit and sabotage the team if he doesn't have the ball in his hands all game and try to improve his draft stock. I hope I'm wrong, but idk. Hopefully he can pull it together and get back to where he was so we can make a deep run.
 

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Hagans off the ball is a nightmare. They are sagging so far off him now and stopping us from getting the ball to Nick as it is. Put him on the wing and he is useless. The entire side of the floor that he is on will be clogged up since he can't shoot.
 
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MWes11

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Nope because you can’t just ignore facts simply because you don’t like them. Lol
What facts are you stating? You are claiming that Hagans will be the cause of a loss in the tournament, when you have no idea if that will happen or not.
 
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What facts are you stating? You are claiming that Hagans will be the cause of a loss in the tournament, when you have no idea if that will happen or not.
The fact that Cal will continue to play him 30+ minutes a game because that is what’s best for his future. And it doesn’t matter what is best for the team right now.
 

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For those that complain about complaints: I’ve been saying Hagans needs to not be at the point (at the very least not in crunch time) since he blew the Auburn tourney game last year.

He’s simply not very good. Yeah, he plays good D. Mostly. He clearly can’t finish and is not a great ball handler. Makes lazy and stupid decisions far too often as well.

He’s basically a Patrick Beverly type without the shot, tenacity, or level of D. I’m sure both Maxey and Quickly are wondering how they were beat out for the point. They’ve all likely played there since 4th grade.

Cal took him off the ball at the end of the Auburn game and that was smart. And we won.

Hopefully this past game was Cal giving him one last chance in crunch time to appease him after his crybaby routine on the bench.

The ball needs to be in Maxey’s hands at the end. Or Quickly. Never Hagans.
 

docholiday51

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I just don’t like when we run the shot clock down and AH has the ball. He gets soo nervous and starts to panick...this leads to a forced drive that leads into a bad shot, charge or a live ball turnover.

Much rather have Maxey or IQ with the ball when the clock is under 10...their offense is head and shoulders above AH.
Running the weave 35-40 feet from the basket is a killer also,we take way to much time to get into an offense.The other team can rest for 20 seconds almost every possession and only play defense for 10 seconds
 

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ULis,

You make me smile when you post because I realize I'm actually not that miserable and unhappy at all after a loss anymore.

Curious though

As disgruntled as you are with a few things lately, what changes (all around) would YOU make to the team if you had all the power to change anything or everything?
 

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What facts are you stating? You are claiming that Hagans will be the cause of a loss in the tournament, when you have no idea if that will happen or not.
He was last year Auburn, this year the Tenn game(likely others too). I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think he would be again. If Cal insists on giving him the ball in crunch time his skill level dictates that it’s more than reasonable.

Has he played well in any big games besides UNC? Maybe, but I can’t remember any.
 

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Running the weave 35-40 feet from the basket is a killer also,we take way to much time to get into an offense.The other team can rest for 20 seconds almost every possession and only play defense for 10 seconds
Post of the day. It accomplishes nothing, but running the shot clock down and forcing a hurried shot.
 
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Running the weave 35-40 feet from the basket is a killer also,we take way to much time to get into an offense.The other team can rest for 20 seconds almost every possession and only play defense for 10 seconds

Couldn’t agree more.

Soon as we cross half court we should immediately get into our set and once the shot we are looking for is there then take it cuz it takes us a good 10-15 seconds to run thru the whole set play.
 

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Running the weave 35-40 feet from the basket is a killer also,we take way to much time to get into an offense.The other team can rest for 20 seconds almost every possession and only play defense for 10 seconds
Go to admit this frustrates me as well. :)
 

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Post of the day. It accomplishes nothing, but running the shot clock down and forcing a hurried shot.
I always thought the same thing, and still do to a certain degree. That being said, I heard an announcer the other day, I can't remember which one, say that we run the weave to force switches until we get the match up we want and then we attack. I'm not convinced that is the purpose, but it made me think there might be more to it than I once thought.
 
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The fact that Cal will continue to play him 30+ minutes a game because that is what’s best for his future. And it doesn’t matter what is best for the team right now.

Your opinion/assertion that Cal puts the good of individual players over the good of the team is not a FACT. If all Cal cares about is getting his high star recruits drafted like the CLOD drones on about as if it were fact, why did Whitney get parked on the bench before quitting? Why were 5 stars Nick and EJ riding the pine behind Reid Travis, who never had a prayer of playing a minute in the NBA? Why is it so hard for you to understand that Cal may have a different idea of what's best for the team than you do, and that if he's doing something other than what you want it isn't because you know better than Cal or that Cal knows better and is intentionally hurting the team? Isn't it more likely that Cal sees that the best version of this team is one with the 3 guards all playing at a high level together, that Ashton is not in any way an off guard but when playing well does a phenomenal job of setting up teammates, that when Ashton is playing well Kentucky is another level of good, and that nobody else we'd give his minutes to has a better chance of contributing to a championship?
 
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Greatestalltime

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I always thought the same thing, and still do to a certain degree. That being said, I heard an announcer the other day, I can't remember which one, say that we run the weave to force switches until we get the match up we want and then we attack. I'm not convinced that is the purpose, but it made me think there might be more to it than I once thought.
Good point. I’ll have to pay more attention and see if it works.
 

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I always thought the same thing, and still do to a certain degree. That being said, I heard an announcer the other day, I can't remember which one, say that we run the weave to force switches until we get the match up we want and then we attack. I'm not convinced that is the purpose, but it made me think there might be more to it than I once thought.

Makes sense

Sooo

Why dont we ever get the matchups we want when we do it.

That's prolly why the ball stops after we run it ;). They have that stalled look on their face like, "****, that didnt work".. hahaha
 

MWes11

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He was last year Auburn, this year the Tenn game(likely others too). I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think he would be again. If Cal insists on giving him the ball in crunch time his skill level dictates that it’s more than reasonable.

Has he played well in any big games besides UNC? Maybe, but I can’t remember any.
You think the majority of the blame for the Tenn loss should fall on Ashton? I disagree. He had 3 TO's in 26 mins. 11 pts., and his defense was very good on Vescovi. We lost because we let their front court absolutely abuse our two 5* bigs. Fulkerson and Pons (6'9 and 6'6) combined for 42 points and 11 rebounds. We lost because Nick and EJ got thoroughly outplayed.

Does some blame fall on Ashton? Sure. Do I think the "I'm not going in" stuff is overblown? Yes. But we didn't lose Tuesday because of him. Also, the guy he was guarding for the entirety of the game went 1-7 with 4 points and 3 TOs.

I tend to be an optimist. I think Ashton plays better basketball down the stretch, starting Saturday at UF.
 

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I have said it a couple of times, but Cal just needs to go back to the playbook when we had Briscoe. Let Maxey play point on offense and let Hagans guard the PG on D. The only problem is Briscoe was a pretty elite finisher and Hagans certainly is not lol!
 
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