Matt Jones: UK is currently a top 5 program
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There is a big difference in having some great “teams” and having a great “program”.
We have had mediocre teams for the most part since 2015, but we’re definitely still a top program.
We have had mediocre teams for the most part since 2015, but we’re definitely still a top program.
Since we lost to SP, I haven't really taken the time to look back at our performance over the past 7 years to see the numbers until I saw your post. No doubt we had the disaster covid season and had a horrible loss in the tournament this year.
But, taking another look, it gets interesting. 5 seasons we lost less than 10 games: 9,6, 7, 6 and 8. Our rankings were 10, 5, 18, 7, 8, NR, 7. We had 2 E8's during this span. One tournament was cancelled.
For fun, I compared that to Tubby's last 7 seasons. 3 seasons we lost less than 10 games: 6,5,4. Our rankings during this time were 9th, 16th, 1st, 2nd, 7th, NR, NR. Tubby had 2 E8's during this span.
I know very well that the losing season is a BIG black mark as is the loss to SP. Looking at the numbers, I do have to wonder why the Tubby supporters have turned so vehemently against Cal? I think that is a fair question to ask! I also have to ask if all those who want Cal gone (including myself) are overreacting?
Players in the NBA don’t man ANYTHING,ANYTHING,ANYTHING to me .
Barnhart should
1)prohibit Cal from attending any future NBA draft green room nights and
2) announce that beginning next season UK players like the NY Yankees will not have their names on the back of Their Jersey s to make the point it is a team game and we are not a G@# D#$@ NBA farm club.
The overall negativity on the board is laughable right now. Everyone take a deep breath. Kentucky is a top 5 program easily. Calm down people.
I sat behind him at a roosters in louisville when he was with a fairly attractive female. He acted like a huge dick and said something at least passive aggressive after UK fans approached him to say hey or shake his hand after they left to the girl. Idk if he was trying to impress her or he’s just a prick but ever since then I’ll never check his website/podcast or support him as a UK personality. Self absorbed douchebag imo
my GF can also confirm this story.
Tubby absolutely got lazy on the recruiting trail. It was painful to see, because Tubby the person was so well liked.
The minute Calipari said "NBA draft night" was the biggest night in UK HISTORY, he lost a lot of fans. His embrace of having a new team each and every year has gotten tiresome as well.
UK was supposed to have the number 2 recruiting class this year.....It wasn't even top 50...And now the potential Shaedon Sharpe fiasco will fuel that fire even more.
The entire program was so much better pre Cal and pre Jones. They both have had a negative effect on Kentucky basketball as a whole.
You can always cherry-pick small periods of history but it’s not that meaningful. Was Duke top 5 from 2002-2009?
I can't say that choosing the last 7 years is cherry picking. It is a relevant timeframe because it spans 1) recent history and 2) is the period of time since our last FF. It could easily point to the direction of the program.
Having said that, for years on this board those who supported Tubby have ALWAYS said that you have to count the entire timeframe. Some of them are now choosing only the last 7 years. I call that out for dishonesty.
Several years back ESPN developed a points system to determine program rankings (20 years Street and Smith did the same). Points were allocated as follows:
5 for regular season conference title
3 for conference tourney title
3 points for #1 seed
3 points for 2nd round exit
5 for Sweet 16 exit
10 for elite 8 loss
15 for final 4 loss
20 for title game loss
25 for title
There were several others, but these were the most important. Every year after the tournament, I see how the programs are doing.
Cal’s line of demarcation is clearly the Wisconsin loss. Do not have the final numbers yet, but for 2016 to 2022, Kentucky is right at #13 or #14.
We were clearly #1 from 2020-15 and for the entire Cal era top 3. But Duke, KU and UNC are right there.
It just depends on what year you go back to
5 for regular season conference title
3 for conference tourney title
3 points for #1 seed
3 points for 2nd round exit
5 for Sweet 16 exit
10 for elite 8 loss
15 for final 4 loss
20 for title game loss
25 for title
There were several others, but these were the most important. Every year after the tournament, I see how the programs are doing.
Cal’s line of demarcation is clearly the Wisconsin loss. Do not have the final numbers yet, but for 2016 to 2022, Kentucky is right at #13 or #14.
We were clearly #1 from 2020-15 and for the entire Cal era top 3. But Duke, KU and UNC are right there.
It just depends on what year you go back to
I know that the common belief is that at the end of 2020 before Covid UK was rolling. The metrics say otherwise. UK did dominate the SEC that year but there was only one other ranked team that year: number 17 Auburn whom UK split with. There were losses to Evansville, a 16-15 Utah team and the other SEC losses were to UT (penultimate game) and USC who were barely over .500. UK Kenpom was 29 and net was 21. Yes 2020 was better than ‘21 by a lot but it was not what many now remember. I would say not as impressive as even this year.
We have NOT struggled the last 7 years. We played a lousy game this year. We missed last year (as did dUKe) . Year before we were poised for a deep run but tournament was canceled.
Why make up a story just so you can say you don’t like him. Just say you don’t. It’s ok. I can’t stand most people.
Bc it’s a true story… I can even tell you the exact roosters location. We sat back to back lol. Why would I make this up?
In the last 8 years, this is the list. Remember, recruits are young. They only care about recent success. And we haven’t even really sniffed success since the 2017 team.talk about prisoner of the moment nonsense
Guys keep Matt in your prayers. Next year will be really rough on his business ventures with fans so checked out.
Yes but it still counts since he coached them this year. We will see how he recruits.
It’s funny how a dork like Matt Jones thinks he has the most important opinion on all things Kentucky basketball and whatever he says is correct.
14, two years ago is 1.5x times better than the 9 Kentucky won last year. And they’re in the final four. Kentucky got beat in the first round to a 15 seed…………
Carolina also won a title in 2017 where they knocked out Kentucky.
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