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rgrachek

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was marriage designed to evolve society? was marriage successful in making America one of the greatest nations in history? does marriage require religion to be successful? does the absence of religion mean less marriage? with less marriage is there an inevitable degradation of society?
It was explained to be once by a very wise man that the primary function of marriage is that it's the optimal environment for the raising and nurturing of children, which is essential for the sustainability of the human race.
 

10Trvln

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was marriage designed to evolve society? was marriage successful in making America one of the greatest nations in history? does marriage require religion to be successful? does the absence of religion mean less marriage? with less marriage is there an inevitable degradation of society?
Religion and marriage leads to successful America. Look at people that come from homes where the same parents were married throughout their life. The kids see commitment and stability.
Look where we are now, where people give up because of the littlest things. Marriage is ups and downs, not, you made me mad and I don’t want to try and work on things.
Religion helps bind the family and if you follow the tenets of religion, you SHOULD be a better person.
 

RedMyMind

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Religion and marriage leads to successful America. Look at people that come from homes where the same parents were married throughout their life. The kids see commitment and stability.
Look where we are now, where people give up because of the littlest things. Marriage is ups and downs, not, you made me mad and I don’t want to try and work on things.
Religion helps bind the family and if you follow the tenets of religion, you SHOULD be a better person.
depends on which religion for sure. Religion can cause ones to be worse people. It did for me.
 

Husker.Wed._rivals

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Go back and look at the starter homes young couples purchased 50 years ago and ask yourself if most young couples today would be caught dead in them.

But yeah, that darned devalued dollar is why they can't have a 5 bedroom/4 bath house in their 20s.
Excellent post.
 

Husker.Wed._rivals

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1950-2050 will not be remembered for being a time of particular enlightenment and advancement,
Agree totally. I mean who cares about polio vaccine, transistors, integrated circuits, computers, ATMs, cell phones, synthetic fabrics, dental implants, heart valves and stints, airbags, MRI and CAT technology, the Internet, pixelated photography, microwave ovens, LEDs, GPS, credit cards, and a long list of drugs and treatments that ease pain and suffering and/or cure diseases?
 

SuperBigFan

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Youre close about changes, but what is changed in our society is what we call “love” isnt actually love at all,

We set marriages up for failure from the start by romanticizing everything.
That is very very true and can sort of be traced back to the 70's and 80's.

The idea that everyday of marriage is supposed to be this "adventure" and that you are supposed to be swimming with dolphins one day and hiking a mountain the next and on a helicopter ride the day after that.
 

SuperBigFan

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I have never personally believed the "my wife is my best friend" line because I can't imagine acting EXACTLY the same around "my wife" as I do my friends.

Could very well just be me and my friends but when we go golf or watch a game...The way we talk to each other and about each other is 100% NOT how I see them talking to/with their wife. Which means in one of the instances they are being fake.

I could text my best friend right now and call him mean *** funny names and tell him to suck my dong...and there would be no issues at all.
 

RedMyMind

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I have never personally believed the "my wife is my best friend" line because I can't imagine acting EXACTLY the same around "my wife" as I do my friends.

Could very well just be me and my friends but when we go golf or watch a game...The way we talk to each other and about each other is 100% NOT how I see them talking to/with their wife. Which means in one of the instances they are being fake.

I could text my best friend right now and call him mean *** funny names and tell him to suck my dong...and there would be no issues at all.
 

RedMyMind

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You just said humans created religion.

Objects and Philosophy have to be manipulated by humans to have an impact.

Cause I see many people doing great things because of religion.
flawed humans make flawed systems that create more flawed humans. If systems are changed, amended, etc. progress is made. Conversely, not fixing broken systems just causes unnecessary problems.
 

dinglefritz

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I have never personally believed the "my wife is my best friend" line because I can't imagine acting EXACTLY the same around "my wife" as I do my friends.

Could very well just be me and my friends but when we go golf or watch a game...The way we talk to each other and about each other is 100% NOT how I see them talking to/with their wife. Which means in one of the instances they are being fake.

I could text my best friend right now and call him mean *** funny names and tell him to suck my dong...and there would be no issues at all.
My best friend is in fact my wife. There’s nobody I would rather spend time with.
 

Mrs.Jeans15

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flawed humans make flawed systems that create more flawed humans. If systems are changed, amended, etc. progress is made. Conversely, not fixing broken systems just causes unnecessary problems.
True cause every human is flawed.
 

RedBaloneyPony

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I have never personally believed the "my wife is my best friend" line because I can't imagine acting EXACTLY the same around "my wife" as I do my friends.

Could very well just be me and my friends but when we go golf or watch a game...The way we talk to each other and about each other is 100% NOT how I see them talking to/with their wife. Which means in one of the instances they are being fake.

I could text my best friend right now and call him mean *** funny names and tell him to suck my dong...and there would be no issues at all.
Mine was a stage 5 clinger but she’s good for me, came from a stable family, unlike all the previous whores in my life. She is my best friend because I am an ******* and don’t have many, I do call her fun names and tell her to suck my dong, hasn’t worked yet, will get an occasional pity bj though !
 

HominidHusker

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Wow man! What a powerful question to ask on a football message board. I don't think it was ever "created". It probably was natural and was initially a way for one person to show loyalty to another person. That way it was a symbol of solidarity and companionship. A way to work together for as long as they are on this earth.

Religion adapted it as a sacrament and was probably after the first "marriage". Naturally it fit, and proclaiming your loyalty for one another with God makes it more "official". Now do I think religion is necessary for it to last for a lifetime. The answer to that is "It definitely helps". The fact you proclaim to be there for one another through good times and bad, and through sickness and health under God" helps to look beyond self gratification.

There really is no right answer to this, but I can tell you first hand it was was extremely hard for me to get a divorce because of the the religious proclamation I made in front of God.
Ironically, God forgives you.


Don’t let the dogma dog you.
 
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was marriage designed to evolve society? was marriage successful in making America one of the greatest nations in history? does marriage require religion to be successful? does the absence of religion mean less marriage? with less marriage is there an inevitable degradation of society?
Marriage was initially instituted by the Lord. Man and woman become whole in the same image of the human condition with him.
 

Lincoln100

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I have never personally believed the "my wife is my best friend" line because I can't imagine acting EXACTLY the same around "my wife" as I do my friends.

Could very well just be me and my friends but when we go golf or watch a game...The way we talk to each other and about each other is 100% NOT how I see them talking to/with their wife. Which means in one of the instances they are being fake.

I could text my best friend right now and call him mean *** funny names and tell him to suck my dong...and there would be no issues at all.
If you want him to suck your dong, you probably aren't a candidate to have a wife. God forbid you would have to show a modicum of decency around a woman. yeah, it is you.
 

Lincoln100

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flawed humans make flawed systems that create more flawed humans. If systems are changed, amended, etc. progress is made. Conversely, not fixing broken systems just causes unnecessary problems.
How do the flawed systems that create more flawed humans get better by the more-flawed humans making a change, amendment, etc. to them? If the more-flawed human is making the change, wouldn't that most likely have a negative effect on their ability to change for the better? "Change" does not necessarily mean better.
 

RedMyMind

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How do the flawed systems that create more flawed humans get better by the more-flawed humans making a change, amendment, etc. to them? If the more-flawed human is making the change, wouldn't that most likely have a negative effect on their ability to change for the better? "Change" does not necessarily mean better.
we need to buck the flawed systems and create better ones. It is an upward battle for sure.
 

RedMyMind

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which religion caused you to be worse. Which religions can cause people to be better.
the one involving filicide.
I don't think any religions necessarily make better people. It depends of what qualities we want to instill in people.
 

Lincoln100

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the one involving filicide.
I don't think any religions necessarily make better people.
which ones promote that? You said "depends" on which religion. Was that simply a point to make that you were made worse by your religion? Which religion taught you filicide was a good?
 

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coming up on year 6 (so not very long).. I would say it's more about a partnership from most perspectives, and designed to properly raise kids and have a productive society.

It's also about responsibility. You have to set her up for success. It was something I didn't understand until after marriage but it's something I haven't heard discussed much until I saw this video about containment.

It might trigger some people, so I would not show this to your wife/girlfriend, but I find what is being said here to be true.

 

RedMyMind

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which ones promote that? You said "depends" on which religion. Was that simply a point to make that you were made worse by your religion? Which religion taught you filicide was a good?
not sure if it said filicide was good but it did involve filicide as its central tenant.
 

RedMyMind

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If it was a "central tenant," that sure sounds like it was at the very least condoned. Why won't you say the religion.
because you know which one it is.

I believe we have 2 main dichotomies in our psyche. Instinct/survival which is more of the selfish level and morality (doing the least harm), which is our altruistic side.

When survival is difficult, selfishness usually prevails. As society becomes more stable, our selfish instinct hopefully allows our altruistic nature to flourish. Being stuck in fear, which many religions use, keeps us from our potential in the latter.

Marriage has traditionally been about survival.
 

Lincoln100

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because you know which one it is.

I believe we have 2 main dichotomies in our psyche. Instinct/survival which is more of the selfish level and morality (doing the least harm), which is our altruistic side.

When survival is difficult, selfishness usually prevails. As society becomes more stable, our selfish instinct hopefully allows our altruistic nature to flourish. Being stuck in fear, which many religions use, keeps us from our potential in the latter.

Marriage has traditionally been about survival.
How could I know? Did you say it at one point? If so, I don't remember, and what does it matter if I did? What's the hesitancy about? You think marriage is about survival / selfishness more than it is about morality? Ok. Survival, for humanity, is dependent upon it, but selfishness? That seems super weird. So does suggesting marriage is disassociated from morality, if that is what you are in fact suggesting. And my religion certainly doesn't keep me stuck in fear.
 

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How do the flawed systems that create more flawed humans get better by the more-flawed humans making a change, amendment, etc. to them? If the more-flawed human is making the change, wouldn't that most likely have a negative effect on their ability to change for the better? "Change" does not necessarily mean better.
I think your rationale is flawed.