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RedMyMind

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Nah. People can read and interpret something in any way they want. If you're scared, and want to find messages of fear, whether or not they exist, you will find them. Take for example your belief that filicide is a "central tenant" of Christianity. Is there some weird breakoff cultish sect claiming to be Christian that advanced that idea? Or, did you come up with that all on your own from interpreting the bible?
I don't think you know the bible very well. Sunday Christians usually stay because it doesn't really affect them much. The ones who take is serious are the ones that leave.

41,000 denominations and yet is not the author of confusion. Something isn't adding up.
 

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I don't think you know the bible very well. Sunday Christians usually stay because it doesn't really affect them much. The ones who take is serious are the ones that leave.

41,000 denominations and yet is not the author of confusion. Something isn't adding up.
Organized religion is damaged goods.
 

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I don't think you know the bible very well. Sunday Christians usually stay because it doesn't really affect them much. The ones who take is serious are the ones that leave.

41,000 denominations and yet is not the author of confusion. Something isn't adding up.
You didn’t answer the question. Also, since you know it so well, explain to me how it is a central tenant of any one of the 41,000 denominations. I mean, there’s got to be at least one of them, or is it that nobody understands it as well as you? Why can’t you answer the question? Confused?
 

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You didn’t answer the question. Also, since you know it so well, explain to me how it is a central tenant of any one of the 41,000 denominations. I mean, there’s got to be at least one of them, or is it that nobody understands it as well as you? Why can’t you answer the question? Confused?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Human sacrifice of the son is the central tenet.
Now if you say Jesus was god, then it gets even more asinine. He sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself to fulfill a loophole in the rules that he created. All that instead of freely forgiving, which is what he instructs his followers to do.

Christianity has little to do with Jesus' teachings. His teachings weren't all bad but there were some doozies in there.
 
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I don't think you know the bible very well. Sunday Christians usually stay because it doesn't really affect them much. The ones who take is serious are the ones that leave.

41,000 denominations and yet is not the author of confusion. Something isn't adding up.
Blame the reformation.
There is a church instituted by Christ.
The problem is and always will be people wanting to be their own god. It started in Eden (which is one of the main points of that story) and has continued since, the desire to be our own God.

People thing religion is supposed to make you comfortable all the time and agree with everything you already think. That's modern atheism. That's people being their own god.
 

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Blame the reformation.
There is a church instituted by Christ.
The problem is and always will be people wanting to be their own god. It started in Eden (which is one of the main points of that story) and has continued since, the desire to be our own God.

People thing religion is supposed to make you comfortable all the time and agree with everything you already think. That's modern atheism. That's people being their own god.
none of that can be verified. All conjecture based on conflicting writings.
man made god in his image.
 

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none of that can be verified. All conjecture based on conflicting writings.
man made god in his image.
I'm very confident.
But everyone has faith. By definition you have to have faith in something.
If there is no God, you have faith that all of this started by itself, etc.
Don't wanna go on and on about this, but everyone has faith that is not 100% verifiable until we die.
As far as "conjecture" and "conflicting", the Bible, especially the new testament, is one of the most verifiable and cross-referenced books of all time, especially for historical writings.
Jesus was a real man who really lived, taught, and died just as scripture says. Was he the Christ? Whether you believe or not is up to you, but whether he existed or not is not up to you.
There's also a lot of miracles that have happened that cannot be explained, specifically regarding Eucharistic miracles, that even American government agencies have given up on trying to explain.


As for marriage, I'm surprised and alarmed by some viewpoints in this thread. I can't believe the caricature of marriage many on here believe, and I can only imagine it has something to do with personal experiences with marriages or bad experiences with women close to home. Marriage is a wonderful thing. Monogamy is a wonderful thing. I am a better man for being married and the challenges it brings. It has been very rewarding. My wife does not "complete" me, but she rocks and I genuinely enjoy spending time with her.

From an unbiased standpoint the research is clear that marriages are overwhelmingly good for society.
 
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According to your tales Christ came back after 3 days
As far as I’m concerned he basically gave up a long weekend
This should help you. Below are 12 simple facts of Jesus's resurrection (Gary Habermas) and then a couple of links that go into more detail explaining these.

Gary Habermas’ 12 Minimal Facts Approach helps us validate key events of the life of Jesus. Those facts are:

Jesus died by Roman crucifixion.
He was buried, most likely in a private tomb.
Soon afterward, the disciples were discouraged, bereaved, and despondent, having lost hope.
Jesus’ tomb was found empty very soon after his interment.
The disciples had experiences that they believed were actual appearances of the risen Jesus.
Due to these experiences, the disciples’ lives were thoroughly transformed, even being willing to die for this belief.
The proclamation of the resurrection took place very early, at the beginning of church history.
The disciples’ public testimony and preaching of the resurrection took place in the city of Jerusalem, where Jesus had been crucified and buried shortly before.
The Gospel message centered on the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Sunday was the primary day for gathering and worshipping.
James, the brother of Jesus and former skeptic, was converted when, he believed, he saw the risen Jesus.
Just a few years later, Saul of Tarsus (Paul) became a Christian believer due to an experience that he believed was an appearance of the risen Jesus.”[1]


Let me know if this helps.
 
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the problem is that if you are wrong in your beliefs, you are stuck from progressing to something potentially better. Like the ole Bo Pelini paradox.
I can't think of demonstrating anything better. I met my wife my junior year in high school, got married 7 years later because we both take marriage in the biblical context and after 38 years of marriage we are both still strongly committed to each other and serving God as missionaries in the Dominican Republic. So a total of 45 years together...
 

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This should help you. Below are 12 simple facts of Jesus's resurrection (Gary Habermas) and then a couple of links that go into more detail explaining these.

Gary Habermas’ 12 Minimal Facts Approach helps us validate key events of the life of Jesus. Those facts are:

Jesus died by Roman crucifixion.
He was buried, most likely in a private tomb.
Soon afterward, the disciples were discouraged, bereaved, and despondent, having lost hope.
Jesus’ tomb was found empty very soon after his interment.
The disciples had experiences that they believed were actual appearances of the risen Jesus.
Due to these experiences, the disciples’ lives were thoroughly transformed, even being willing to die for this belief.
The proclamation of the resurrection took place very early, at the beginning of church history.
The disciples’ public testimony and preaching of the resurrection took place in the city of Jerusalem, where Jesus had been crucified and buried shortly before.
The Gospel message centered on the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Sunday was the primary day for gathering and worshipping.
James, the brother of Jesus and former skeptic, was converted when, he believed, he saw the risen Jesus.
Just a few years later, Saul of Tarsus (Paul) became a Christian believer due to an experience that he believed was an appearance of the risen Jesus.”[1]


Let me know if this helps.

It doesn’t. But if there is a god then please explain this

 

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Correct, men, married, tend to live longer (even though they probably don't want to)

I would assume that married men with families probably get the most "benefit"

Also I was joking about the studies being done by wives.
You may have covered but are you married?
 

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was marriage designed to evolve society? was marriage successful in making America one of the greatest nations in history? does marriage require religion to be successful? does the absence of religion mean less marriage? with less marriage is there an inevitable degradation of society?
Answers:
Yes,
Yes(not only America, but every successful society)
No, but it helps
Yes
A big YES!
 

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You may have covered but are you married?
Nope.

Even as a kid and in HS and college I just never liked the idea of it, really I don't like the idea of living with a girl, I like my space and freedom. Everyone in my family is married and my parents have been married for 50+ years.

I LOVED having roommates when I did the apt life and off campus college stuff and even in my first house but I enjoyed that because we were buddies, we would grab wings watch games go golfing, whatever, but when we didn't want to be around each other, we would just go to our rooms or whatever, there was no "talking about stuff" that we didn't want to talk about it or doing yard work on a Saturday or going to Home Depot on a Sunday. I never liked that idea of getting asked to do something fun and having to "check with someone" to see if it was okay, or finding out that someone made plans for me and that all of a sudden on Saturday I was heading over to Toby's house to play games with him and his wife.

I am not against marriage. I would not promote it to people as "the next step" in a relationship but people that get married, especially for sacramental reasons, I think that is awesome. I think the catholic wedding is one of the most impressive things I have attended. Lutheran is nice too, not as formal not as long either! Ha

Just little things, like we would finish golf, there would be 8 of us and the married guys would be packing up their **** the second we sank the last putt and the non-married guys were like "Hey, you want to go grab some food or a beer" and the married dudes would be like "Ahhhh man, I better get home, the wife is gonna..." fill in the blank. Just never appealed to me.

I got one friend, married, who said "Yeah, early on you need to set expectations and boundaries so that you have your own time and space". I thought that was brilliant.

And I know those are very "small" things that I listed but they add to, to me.

And then we already discussed divorce and custody laws which are insane.
 
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Marry a hot chick that likes sex and has money. Watch how happily ever after you live. You're welcome.
I have a great wife, she is very well liked, she is attractive, has a good job, almost 9 years younger and comes from a family that is not super rich, but has more than the average amount of money. She always encourages me to go back to Nebraska games, go on ski trips or hunting trips. Our marriage is great, but I would not say it is always easy and smooth sailing. No way can two people agree on everything 100% of the time. 25 years on August 1.

Relationships are like surfing. Sometimes you are on the prefect wave and other times you are getting flipped upside down.
 

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Nope.

Even as a kid and in HS and college I just never liked the idea of it, really I don't like the idea of living with a girl, I like my space and freedom. Everyone in my family is married and my parents have been married for 50+ years.

I LOVED having roommates when I did the apt life and off campus college stuff and even in my first house but I enjoyed that because we were buddies, we would grab wings watch games go golfing, whatever, but when we didn't want to be around each other, we would just go to our rooms or whatever, there was no "talking about stuff" that we didn't want to talk about it or doing yard work on a Saturday or going to Home Depot on a Sunday. I never liked that idea of getting asked to do something fun and having to "check with someone" to see if it was okay, or finding out that someone made plans for me and that all of a sudden on Saturday I was heading over to Toby's house to play games with him and his wife.

I am not against marriage. I would not promote it to people as "the next step" in a relationship but people that get married, especially for sacramental reasons, I think that is awesome. I think the catholic wedding is one of the most impressive things I have attended. Lutheran is nice too, not as formal not as long either! Ha

Just little things, like we would finish golf, there would be 8 of us and the married guys would be packing up their **** the second we sank the last putt and the non-married guys were like "Hey, you want to go grab some food or a beer" and the married dudes would be like "Ahhhh man, I better get home, the wife is gonna..." fill in the blank. Just never appealed to me.

I got one friend, married, who said "Yeah, early on you need to set expectations and boundaries so that you have your own time and space". I thought that was brilliant.

And I know those are very "small" things that I listed but they add to, to me.

And then we already discussed divorce and custody laws which are insane.
My wife has never cared if I hang out with my friends after golf or skiing. There are times when we have something scheduled after I am done, but that is a rare occurrence. I guess it is just the opposite for me. I am retired, but even when I was working I always want to go to a local high school game or meet up with some friends. Lots of times on work nights my wife would just as soon stay home. She likes to do things on Friday and Saturday nights as she gets up really early on workdays. We are going to Montana together next week, but a lot of times I go places with buddies or alone. The running joke is that the only condition of our marriage is she has to go back to Nebraska every 5 years whether she likes it or not. I am back there a couple of times a year. I totally get that. I am always preoccupied with having fun with old friends when I am there. She doesn't ski so she never travels with me to Sun Valley or Colorado. When she retires, she will go with me sometimes, but I bet not all the time. She goes to see her mom in North Carolina way more times than I do (she is back there, now). She also goes over to Seattle 2-3 times year to hang out with girlfriends. That is the last thing I want to do. I think you have to marry the right person. (We have no kids. Just a very spoiled bird dog.)
 

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My wife has never cared if I hang out with my friends after golf or skiing. There are times when we have something scheduled after I am done, but that is a rare occurrence. I guess it is just the opposite for me. I am retired, but even when I was working I always want to go to a local high school game or meet up with some friends. Lots of times on work nights my wife would just as soon stay home. She likes to do things on Friday and Saturday nights as she gets up really early on workdays. We are going to Montana together next week, but a lot of times I go places with buddies or alone. The running joke is that the only condition of our marriage is she has to go back to Nebraska every 5 years whether she likes it or not. I am back there a couple of times a year. I totally get that. I am always preoccupied with having fun with old friends when I am there. She doesn't ski so she never travels with me to Sun Valley or Colorado. When she retires, she will go with me sometimes, but I bet not all the time. She goes to see her mom in North Carolina way more times than I do (she is back there, now). She also goes over to Seattle 2-3 times year to hang out with girlfriends. That is the last thing I want to do. I think you have to marry the right person. (We have no kids. Just a very spoiled bird dog.)
Dude, not having kids is KEY too.

HUGE difference in your free time and money.
 

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I take Dion's advice and look for a woman from a single parent family, preferably neglected by her mother and who has no father figure. Perfect wife material.
 

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Answers:
Yes,
Yes(not only America, but every successful society)
No, but it helps
Yes
A big YES!
Romans had such a brutal marriage system that they had to invented a myth that their literal city of Rome was founded on kidnapping and raping the nearby latin and sapine woman. Marriage is not a key indicator of imperial success in anyway. Most of the most successful societies are built on slave labor so that power and wealth can be built for the cost of the human body, this wealth can then be distributed to soldiers and engineers, who then use slaves to build great works.
 
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At least you won't be stuck paying for 3 weddings.

Follow me for more life hacks.
Just raise poor children. My kids think we're poor, my house is 56k, 560 a month Mortgage. We have one 10 year old car, already paid off, both parents are professionals and misers. Keep telling them we have to sell their trains on ebay to make ends meet.
 

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I'm very confident.
But everyone has faith. By definition you have to have faith in something.
If there is no God, you have faith that all of this started by itself, etc.
Don't wanna go on and on about this, but everyone has faith that is not 100% verifiable until we die.
As far as "conjecture" and "conflicting", the Bible, especially the new testament, is one of the most verifiable and cross-referenced books of all time, especially for historical writings.
Jesus was a real man who really lived, taught, and died just as scripture says. Was he the Christ? Whether you believe or not is up to you, but whether he existed or not is not up to you.
There's also a lot of miracles that have happened that cannot be explained, specifically regarding Eucharistic miracles, that even American government agencies have given up on trying to explain.


As for marriage, I'm surprised and alarmed by some viewpoints in this thread. I can't believe the caricature of marriage many on here believe, and I can only imagine it has something to do with personal experiences with marriages or bad experiences with women close to home. Marriage is a wonderful thing. Monogamy is a wonderful thing. I am a better man for being married and the challenges it brings. It has been very rewarding. My wife does not "complete" me, but she rocks and I genuinely enjoy spending time with her.

From an unbiased standpoint the research is clear that marriages are overwhelmingly good for society.
I believe in God, not just the biblical god. If a 2000 year old book is the best he can do to reach humans, I'm not impressed.

People who take the Bible seriously eventually go insane. Martin Luther did and countless others who try to figure things out.
 

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This should help you. Below are 12 simple facts of Jesus's resurrection (Gary Habermas) and then a couple of links that go into more detail explaining these.

Gary Habermas’ 12 Minimal Facts Approach helps us validate key events of the life of Jesus. Those facts are:

Jesus died by Roman crucifixion.
He was buried, most likely in a private tomb.
Soon afterward, the disciples were discouraged, bereaved, and despondent, having lost hope.
Jesus’ tomb was found empty very soon after his interment.
The disciples had experiences that they believed were actual appearances of the risen Jesus.
Due to these experiences, the disciples’ lives were thoroughly transformed, even being willing to die for this belief.
The proclamation of the resurrection took place very early, at the beginning of church history.
The disciples’ public testimony and preaching of the resurrection took place in the city of Jerusalem, where Jesus had been crucified and buried shortly before.
The Gospel message centered on the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Sunday was the primary day for gathering and worshipping.
James, the brother of Jesus and former skeptic, was converted when, he believed, he saw the risen Jesus.
Just a few years later, Saul of Tarsus (Paul) became a Christian believer due to an experience that he believed was an appearance of the risen Jesus.”[1]


Let me know if this helps.

They didn't expect Jesus to die so they had to interpret why he died. Paul concluded that it was for a ransom sacrifice. Like sacrificing animals but X1000. Thusly, if Jesus had to die, the Law was therefore inadequate. Paul's method of salvation was not the same as what Jesus taught, which was to love your neighbors and help out your fellow man and keep the principles of the Law, which he called doing the will of God. Jesus expected to become King of the coming Kingdom but was taken out due to being a threat to the Roman governance.
 

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I can't think of demonstrating anything better. I met my wife my junior year in high school, got married 7 years later because we both take marriage in the biblical context and after 38 years of marriage we are both still strongly committed to each other and serving God as missionaries in the Dominican Republic. So a total of 45 years together...
If it works for you, keep doing it.
 

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My wife has never cared if I hang out with my friends after golf or skiing. There are times when we have something scheduled after I am done, but that is a rare occurrence. I guess it is just the opposite for me. I am retired, but even when I was working I always want to go to a local high school game or meet up with some friends. Lots of times on work nights my wife would just as soon stay home. She likes to do things on Friday and Saturday nights as she gets up really early on workdays. We are going to Montana together next week, but a lot of times I go places with buddies or alone. The running joke is that the only condition of our marriage is she has to go back to Nebraska every 5 years whether she likes it or not. I am back there a couple of times a year. I totally get that. I am always preoccupied with having fun with old friends when I am there. She doesn't ski so she never travels with me to Sun Valley or Colorado. When she retires, she will go with me sometimes, but I bet not all the time. She goes to see her mom in North Carolina way more times than I do (she is back there, now). She also goes over to Seattle 2-3 times year to hang out with girlfriends. That is the last thing I want to do. I think you have to marry the right person. (We have no kids. Just a very spoiled bird dog.)
You're living the dream Wasker!! You have a cool wife, you get to do what you want to do. No pressures. I like it! Same here.
 

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I believe in God, not just the biblical god. If a 2000 year old book is the best he can do to reach humans, I'm not impressed.

People who take the Bible seriously eventually go insane. Martin Luther did and countless others who try to figure things out.
You believe in God, but you are unimpressed with God. Mmmmk. Sounds like you are lost.
 

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Dude, not having kids is KEY too.

HUGE difference in your free time and money.
Two of my lifetime best friends, we're all almost 70 now, wanted no kids.
I always tell them it's a good thing your parents didn't feel that way.

One is a very selfish, greedy guy. One is very generous.
Hard to figure.
 

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You believe in God, but you are unimpressed with God. Mmmmk. Sounds like you are lost.
You're pretty judgemental. The belief in God is based on faith and a Bible.

There are so many contradictions in the Bible, one has to decifer what it means, and it means different things to different people.
 

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You're pretty judgemental. The belief in God is based on faith and a Bible.

There are so many contradictions in the Bible, one has to decifer what it means, and it means different things to different people.
They believe they have everything all sorted out. Some would say they are arrogant.
 

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They believe they have everything all sorted out. Some would say they are arrogant.
I really don't take issue with those who have beliefs that they strongly adhere to, and can get along with them just fine, until they try to impose some of those things on me.

If I'm expected to adhere to their words, then they too must adhere to my words. They believe no stronger in their words than I believe in mine.

I do take issue with people who like to judge, but are in no position to judge anyone.
 
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I really don't take issue with those who have beliefs that they strongly adhere to, and can get along with them just fine, until they try to impose some of those things on me.

If I'm expected to adhere to their words, then they too must adhere to my words. They believe no stronger in their words than I believe in my words.

I do take issue with people who like to judge, but are in no position to judge anyone.
And they have to repent, forgive, otherwise their god won't forgive them. Their god has got them by the balls.
 

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you shouldn't need the threat to get one to repent. That wouldn't be true repentance. that would be coercion. It is fear based obedience.

Lol...great fairy tale you are living in.

Its not coercion to repent for something no one made you do.
 

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Lol...great fairy tale you are living in.

Its not coercion to repent for something no one made you do.
It is if the threat of violence is held over your head.
God doesn't need ones to ask for forgiveness. We need to ask and forgive eachother.