Looks like Perry is a goner

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Originally posted by Styre:
ND might get more viewers from the NBC contract, but NU (and every other B1G school) gets more TV money annually than Notre Dame does.
It's not just the TV contract -- it's all the merchandising (including the Under Armour contract reportedly worth $9MM annually and is "the largest financial commitment ever made by a brand to a university" according to Notre Dame's Jack Swarbrick), licensing/royalty revenue (routinely in the top five of all programs -- for context, we usually don't break the top 75), ability to keep their own bowl proceeds, etc. Put it all together, and Notre Dame's football team reportedly had revenues of about $100MM in 2014.
 

Portland Blue

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Re: Looks like Perry is a WINNER!

I don't think UM football players go on to be bouncers and car dealers. Our last 2 AD's were very successful businessmen and sacrificed salary to serve the University.
Sometimes they also succeed on the field. I'm not sure if you watched the super bowl last night, but the qb for NE went to Michigan. He seemed to like his experience there.

I don't think Perry would be headed toward a path of becoming a bouncer if he went to Michigan to play football. That's a bit of a simplistic generalization and doesn't take into consideration that he is an intelligent student likely looking to take advantage of the excellent academic resources at Michigan. Some student-athletes don't, but that's not a failing of the university.

It's okay to be bummed you may have lost of player, but don't take it out on a kid.

My guess is he'll end up being a good citizen, when it's all said and done.

This post was edited on 2/2 5:36 PM by Portland Blue

Does this guy sound like a bouncer or car dealer?
 
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This is unfortunate but not surprising. I am sure the coaches thought this could happen and even discussed it before he committed. He would have helped us, but I can't help but think, Hardballs will recruit his own 4 star WR's the next few years and the kid will see a much smaller role with MI and than he would have with NU. The fact that Hardballs went after other WR's before going to Perry should have shown he was a fallback for MI. I think Hardballs always knew he could swoop in at the 11th hour if he couldn't find his A guys. Look what they did already to his HS QB! He commits enrolled and what do they do? They go out and get a higher rated QB that was committed to Texas. It sounds great to go to school with your HS buds, but which ones are part of the long term plan? I don't blame the kid for going to his dream school, but all this nonsense about Hardballs watching countless hours of film seems like total car salesman BS. Did it really take him all that "analysis" before he offered 3 days before NSD? No, it's because the other candidates rebuffed him and certainly doesn't hurt to grab him at the last minute to stick it to his good buddy Fitz.
 

Portland Blue

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Couple points:

In the world of recruiting, I don't know any team that identifies lesser talents, offers them, and if they don't agree, go to more valued targets. It always works in the opposite direction, including at NU.

The Michigan qb recruit who decommitted is not enrolled at UM. He is a class of 2016 recruit and has plenty of time to find a new school. Our recruiting sources said that UM's new coaching staff was going to honor that verbal but he chose to go elsewhere. We are prepared for decommittments and transfers with the new coaching staff. As most teams would be I'm sure.
 

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Portland, how many years do you think Harbaugh will stay in Ann Arbor?
 

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Originally posted by Portland Blue:
I don't think UM football players go on to be bouncers and car dealers. Our last 2 AD's were very successful businessmen and sacrificed salary to serve the University.
Sometimes they also succeed on the field. I'm not sure if you watched the super bowl last night, but the qb for NE went to Michigan. He seemed to like his experience there.

I don't think Perry would be headed toward a path of becoming a bouncer if he went to Michigan to play football. That's a bit of a simplistic generalization and doesn't take into consideration that he is an intelligent student likely looking to take advantage of the excellent academic resources at Michigan. Some student-athletes don't, but that's not a failing of the university.

It's okay to be bummed you may have lost of player, but don't take it out on a kid.

My guess is he'll end up being a good citizen, when it's all said and done.

This post was edited on 2/2 5:36 PM by Portland Blue
Nobody is taking ANYTHING out on a player! In fact, I'm congratulating this player for making a smart decision for his future and attending Northwestern University, where program graduation rates are 95% or higher. What are Michigan's program grad rates? I recall them being at the bottom of the Big Ten not long ago...but "that's not a failing of the university", right?

HELLO?!! .

How's Mr. F*ck Lion doing these days? I'm sure he's landed a fine job for himself.
 

Gladeskat

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I wish Mr. Perry well! He'll need it because his chances of graduating with a worthwhile degree, on average, have just declined significantly. I hope he has the determination to get his degree despite a program environment that is not as supportive as that at Northwestern.
 

Portland Blue

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Great question.

What really didn't come out during the national media following his hire is that he has always dreamed of coaching Michigan. He probably would have come to Michigan had his star not been SOOOOOOOOOO high after his Stanford tour.

I think we get a minimum of 5 years. And if we hire an AD (current guy is interim and doesn't want to be permanent) he gets along with, he could be at UM for a long time.

I believe Michigan was ready to turn around things this year, regardless of the coach. Harbaugh will hopefully take us to new levels. I think the biggest obstacle in keeping him at UM is if he wins a National Championship. Then, he may look back at other fish to fry.

Oh, one more thing, he has family in the area now. His parents moved from Wisconsin to Ann Arbor when he signed to be coach. I don't think he uproots them to leave in 3 years. His parents are very respected at UM (dad coached for Bo).
 

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Portland- I agree you don't move from lesser talent to more valued talent in the SAME recruiting year. My point is IMO I would expect MI to go after many 4 star WR's in the next couple of recruiting classes and I think they will get them. Is it not true that MI attempted to flip at least 2 WR's prior to offering Perry? Is it also not fact that MI flipped Gentry from Texas AFTER Malzone enrolled? I am not sure what the 2016 decommit of the QB Weaver has to do with the point. It might be me, but if I am the 3 Amigos from Brother Rice HS in Michigan, I am thinking MI may not have a great deal of faith in my abilities. Sure it is great if you are a blue fan and makes perfect sense for all schools to up recruit. However, sometimes a guy with talent like Perry gets lost in the shuffle and never gets a fair shot. Why? That's because some 6'5 burner with all the stars comes in and plays due to potential not performance. A kid like Perry gets lost and before you know it eligibility gone. None of us know what will happen and the kid may be an all American, but it sure would give me pause to wonder why all of the others ( non MI home grown products) were pursued before me.
 

Portland Blue

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Re: Looks like Perry is a WINNER!

I think you are confusing a graduation rate of a group with the likelihood an individual graduates. There is selection bias as well.

You may not be familiar with UM's Academic Services offered to its student athletes. For those motivated (sounds like Mr. Perry is), he'll have a hard time NOT succeeding should he choose to go to UM.

But if you want to lay odds he'll be a car dealer or a bouncer when he's done, I'll take that bet.

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I know every program has these things

But reading that reminded me of reading the syllabus of my mandatory 6th grade study skills class.
 

Portland Blue

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My impression (without too much inside info) is that Perry is not intimidated by other recruits, and that he likes the intangibles at UM (and that's not a crack at NU, b/c he obviously likes what NU has to offer). He has friends going there and his family lives very close by. Maybe he thrives on the competition. He might also like the idea of getting coached by guys with NFL experience, and feels they may get the most out of him.

UM will most certainly go after the top prospects in the country. I'm sure Perry knows this.

But by your rationale, maybe he should commit to a MAC team instead of NU. There's no doubt the competition is less at, say, Miami of Ohio, than NU. If he wants to star on the field and ensure playing time, shouldn't he go to a MAC school? Did NU coaches give him assurances that he'll start?
 

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I refuse to say one cross word to a poster who has an Alison Brie gif as his sig file.

Well done, sir.
 

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At the same time, NU could reallocate its own budget funds away from departments or projects with ample donor funding and direct to...athletics, athletic facilities, athletic department upgrades, etc. Sure, endowment monies are often proscribed but NU has rather substantial natural budget.
 

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Now!

I looking forward to playing Michigan in the worst way next year--no, no, I don't mean like we have for the past years--I mean I want us to BEAT THEM, however we have to do it, even if it's in the worst way. And every year from here on out!!

We're just getting our noses rubbed in the dirt now and this has to STOP!
 

Gladeskat

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Originally posted by Portland Blue:
I think you are confusing a graduation rate of a group with the likelihood an individual graduates. There is selection bias as well.

I wrote 'on average', so it does apply to him as member of that group, though his classes' grad rates are yet to be determined.

You may not be familiar with UM's Academic Services offered to its student athletes. For those motivated (sounds like Mr. Perry is), he'll have a hard time NOT succeeding should he choose to go to UM.

Thank God I'm NOT familiar with UM's Academic Support Services! Were they the guys who hid players in kinesiology for easy credits to keep them eligible? That is, until they were faced with the harder requirements, at which time they switch to General Studies.

But if you want to lay odds he'll be a car dealer or a bouncer when he's done, I'll take that bet.

4:1 odds he's selling cars in 7 years. I hope I lose! The bouncer jobs go to linemen.
 

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Originally posted by Portland Blue:
Well, I really didn't see what the NU support services do for their athletes.
I seriously doubt you know anything about UM academic services either.
 

Portland Blue

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Not much, but probably more than you think. Shari Acho is well regarded within and outside the UM community. The M-Pact program is a great program.

I think you need to remind the poster to whom I was responding that if he thinks UM's website page for academic support reminds him of a 6th grade syllabus, he needs to look at NU's own website before looking like a.... 6th grader.

I think both UM and NU have great programs. I'm not sure what knocking UM does for anyone here.

M-Pact
 

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NU has outstanding academic support as evidenced by their top NCAA grad rates, though undoubtedly that is also a product of our recruiting (emphasis on graduation) and academic selectivity as well. Any school graduating 70% of their athletes are letting 30% (or 30 out of a team of 100 players) of their athletes down! Sorry, but how can UM's coaching staff and academic support be praised for that failure rate? Graduating players should involve the entire program (like it does at NU), not just support staff. Our coaches are held accountable for the academic success of their players.

After the disappointment blows away, I have no problem with Perry choosing UM. It's his choice and he can go wherever he will be happy. It just sucks to see kids decommit from us knowing what NU can provide for a kids future. And the NU staff has been providing this at a consistently high level for decades.
 
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Except if you read the subject of my post, you'd recognize that I was just making fun of the overall concept of these things being necessary at the collegiate level, not UM. The meaning was "I know every program has these things"...but they all look really stupid, including UM's and NU's.

Maybe take the stick out of your @ss along and move along from our boards?
 

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"Notre Dame and USC have RIDICULOUS alumni support that we don't have at Northwestern. Stanford has garnered the support of one particularly generous donor and has leveraged their world-class education and campus."

Well, you're right--both USC and Stanford are high on the list of Universities that have produced the most billionaires.

Northwestern is nowhere in sight, although neither are Duke or ND (Catholic money). What's with that? I thought we had a great Business school.
 

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It's neither Perry Allen nor Allen Perry

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE QUITTER AND THE KID WHO HAD NORTHWESTERN AS A FOOTBALL SAFETY SCHOOL

The decision was unwise considering: the value of scholarship and peer group - versus Michigan's corrupt and wasteful in-state tuition subsidies (e.g., army of useless admins and disproportionate number of kids of petty ward aldermen and school board parents who called in favors), playing opportunities (Perry may never play another down of football in his life), and long-term livelihood (e.g., what grad will most likely live underneath a viaduct, an NU or Michigan grad?).

Harbaugh runs a football first and damn-the-kids program. Harbaugh. When he's assumed a full-time repose at his villa in Vail, maybe he can hire some of his recruits to shovel the snow on his 500 foot circular driveway there. He can watch from the window with a cigar in one hand - with one Igor of a recruit on the ready to lite- and a glass of cognac in another - that another recruit grovelingly poured from a decanter - until boredom overcomes him and he sends them away into snowbound doom. There is nothing wrong with Perry's decision. I get it. I only like NU because the university had planted a sprawling campus in the town where I grew up. But here's hoping against reality that Perry doesn't became yet another meaningless statistic, just another tally mark on the record of the shattered dreams of youth that Harbaugh's compiled to aggrandize himself with wealth and fame.

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Originally posted by Portland Blue:
Great question.

What really didn't come out during the national media following his hire is that he has always dreamed of coaching Michigan. He probably would have come to Michigan had his star not been SOOOOOOOOOO high after his Stanford tour.

I think we get a minimum of 5 years. And if we hire an AD (current guy is interim and doesn't want to be permanent) he gets along with, he could be at UM for a long time.

I believe Michigan was ready to turn around things this year, regardless of the coach. Harbaugh will hopefully take us to new levels. I think the biggest obstacle in keeping him at UM is if he wins a National Championship. Then, he may look back at other fish to fry.

Oh, one more thing, he has family in the area now. His parents moved from Wisconsin to Ann Arbor when he signed to be coach. I don't think he uproots them to leave in 3 years. His parents are very respected at UM (dad coached for Bo).
So he hasn't stayed at any destination for more than 3 years, but you think he will stay at Michigan for at least five?
 

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Has there been any decommit from our school that has gone on to be a tremendous success at another institution? If not, that fact alone should be cause for concern among future recruits who have thoughts about going somewhere else.
 

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Originally posted by mikewebb68:
Has there been any decommit from our school that has gone on to be a tremendous success at another institution? If not, that fact alone should be cause for concern among future recruits who have thoughts about going somewhere else.
Why? Are you assuming decommits would have been stars at NU but were jinxed when they decommitted and chose another school? That's fricking ridiculous.
 

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Chris Brown went on to star at Colorado and was drafted 3rd round


Originally posted by mikewebb68:
Has there been any decommit from our school that has gone on to be a tremendous success at another institution? If not, that fact alone should be cause for concern among future recruits who have thoughts about going somewhere else.
Fair question as there have been many who had a hard time getting off the bench once they joined teams with more competion for their positions.

Ironic though that I just posted on another thread (in response to an inquiry about whether historically Alaska had any Division I recruits) and I specifically mentioned Northwestern decommit (technically transfer out of junior college) Chris Brown in reference to his play with an Alaska Division I player at Colorado:

Here was the referenced posting:

In recent years Northwestern had two Alaskans on the football team, the most recent of whom was Adam Crum.

Pictured below is Alaska high school player Brandon Drumm being pursued by my son. Drumm went on to Division I Colorado where he switched from his high school position of running back to become the leading blocker for the infamous NU commit Chris Brown who followed Coach Barnett to Colorado. Drumm ended up catching a touch down pass in the Fiesta Bowl and my son ended up on the wrestling team at Northwestern.

Football players just from Dimond, the high school here in Anchorage that my own kids have attended include Chris Kuper who played for the Broncos after a college career at University of North Dakota and Chad Adams who played for Air Force.

Northwestern fans will well remember another Alaskan, Cole Magner, who while with Bowling Green ran a conversion in with 36 seconds left in our November 17, 2001 game where his heroics stunned the Wildcats with a 42 to 43 loss.




Probably the most noted Alaska football player is Mark Schlereth, who played for cross town rival Service, currently an ESPN analyst who played for the Redskins and the Broncos after attending college at Division I Idaho.



This post was edited on 2/3 2:26 AM by Alaskawildkat

Chris Brown who left with GaryBarnett for Colorado
 

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Re: Chris Brown went on to star at Colorado and was drafted 3rd round

Chris Brown was NOT a decommit. He signed with NU and then transferred to a JC after a year at NU and then ended up at Colorado.

So there were two Cole Magners from Alaska playing D1 football in 2001, one at Colorado and one a Bowling Green?
 

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Re: Chris Brown went on to star at Colorado and was drafted 3rd round

Glades - you are too fast for me. Just corrected the duplicative name typo and you already had caught it. (Though I see my correction did beat your posting by 3 minutes!)

I agree though that Chris Brown was a transfer, and not a decommit, as I acknowledged initially, though I did not realize he had actually spent a year at NU. Did he redshirt or actually make it onto the field?



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Darrell Campbell started at ND, I think got a sniff with the league.
Jon Navarre started at QB for UMich.
Yaacov Yisrael started for PSU.

I remember Navarre for sure was a commit. Campbell I am pretty sure was, and Yisrael might have just been a hard lean. Don't recall.

But, agree with Glades that your premise is basically ridiculous.
 

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Re: Chris Brown went on to star at Colorado and was drafted 3rd round

Walker turned him into a receiver and he practiced for a year. Chris,quite rightly, felt like he wanted to play the position he was recruited (by GB) for and got out. It was a great move for him. 1 year JC then off to an excellent career at Colorado and some NFL success (7 seasons, etc.).
 
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I see. So the school that produces the most billionaires is the best?

Stanford has great tradition of support that started with Leland Stanford. USC maybe not so much, as NU's paltry earners have managed to give Northwestern a much larger endowment than USC.

Sam Walton of Wal-Mart fame created several billionaires by leaving money to his descendants. Doubt it had much to do with what school they attended.
 

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Originally posted by Gladeskat:

Originally posted by mikewebb68:
Has there been any decommit from our school that has gone on to be a tremendous success at another institution? If not, that fact alone should be cause for concern among future recruits who have thoughts about going somewhere else.
Why? Are you assuming decommits would have been stars at NU but were jinxed when they decommitted and chose another school? That's fricking ridiculous.
Of course you know that I am not implying anything of the sort. re: a "jinx". Was just wondering if kids that decommit in general have a great success rate, since to me, it might be a sign in at least some of the cases that the kid might not have the best head on his shoulders. The fact that at least 3 of our decommits in the last two years subsequently decommitted from the school they left us for brought this to mind. Not thinking that is a positive sign for a kid's ultimate football career but I could be wrong...
 
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Um, Walker left us with his last 3 seasons at 4 wins or better in the BIG. Fitz has achieved that 1 time out of his last 5 seasons. No comparison. Fitz needs to raise the program back to the standards of the baton that Walker passed to him. But, he prolly has to at least focus on a season that can go to a bowl game first. I think he can find 7 overall wins next year with a solid defense, stable kicking game, and a few gamers on offense.

That said, imo, the biggest difference between Walker and Fitz outside the win column is QB health.

The Bazmanien Devil was an incredibly hard worker who excelled, and was fairly healthy his last couple years [See developed Offensive Lineman who ended up being Pros]. Fitz usually does well at the onset of a season but his QB's usually get pounded and injured once they enter the BIG. Maybe Fitz would have won a lot more games if Persa didn't get eaten alive, or Colter/Siemian didn't have to run for their lives. No development of the OL, no nothing. End result is having a mangled QB or a backup playing.

Thorson has to be the guy this year if we are to win more than 3 BIG games. I've seen enough of Oliver to realize he is only a glorified Kreinbrink. Since he didn't seem to develop or grasp some fairly basic things in 4 years, then I don't see him developing over the next 6 months.
And I have no idea what happened to Alviti's accuracy, and his ongoing struggle with the position, but maybe he had more confidence in High School. So, by default, it has to be the athletic Thorson, if we have a chance to win more than 3 BIG games. Hopefully, Thorson learns fast and can sustain heavy bombardment without injury. Having JJ behind him will help, and most likely a better receiving corps. I wouldn't be surprised if Shuler loses a significant amount of touches. He's quick running in a straight line but he has little wiggle to go along with suspect hands. Not sure how much we can get out of PYA or Dickerson out wide but they didn't impress either. I'm not counting on Christian Jones coming back at 100% but he should still be a monster upgrade to the previous starter.
 
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