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I obviously had fun there by mistake when I was in school there
If only i knew then what I knew now I would have known that place sucked. Once again, thank you
If only i knew then what I knew now I would have known that place sucked. Once again, thank you
Speaking as someone who lives in Oxford, this is not even remotely true. In fact, it's completely false. I talk to people all the time who come down that weekend because it is the big recruiting weekend.
Coach34's basic premise is that there are a large number of Ole Miss alums who are, on their own, contacting recruits they have never met and offering them cash money. No program, no matter how corrupt, will or can allow or survive that. If I ever hear that we have a large number of alums seeking out, contacting and offering money to a large number of recruits they have never met, I will know we are screwed.
Are any of us going to get on a plane and fly to a distant state to ring a doorbell and offer cash to a total stranger? Mullen would kill us if we did and he would be completely justified. All it takes is just one of them to report it. It is ridiculous to think that is being done by anyone, even Auburn.
Get serious. No fanbase is out in large numbers cold calling on big time recruits and offering them large sums of cash. The whole premise is ridiculous.
The NCAA may be incompetent and ineffective, but, holy crap, that would be discovered or reported right quick. You simply can't go see a big time recruit in his own home and offer him cash and get away with it. Please, if you are a rich alum, don't do that. It is absurd. "I know you don't know me, but here is $5000. Please go on a visit to Starkville." Holy crap.
Are any of us going to get on a plane and fly to a distant state to ring a doorbell and offer cash to a total stranger? Mullen would kill us if we did and he would be completely justified. All it takes is just one of them to report it. It is ridiculous to think that is being done by anyone, even Auburn.
Get serious. No fanbase is out in large numbers cold calling on big time recruits and offering them large sums of cash. The whole premise is ridiculous.
The NCAA may be incompetent and ineffective, but, holy crap, that would be discovered or reported right quick. You simply can't go see a big time recruit in his own home and offer him cash and get away with it. Please, if you are a rich alum, don't do that. It is absurd. "I know you don't know me, but here is $5000. Please go on a visit to Starkville." Holy crap.
You find the 'premise' to be ridiculous so you disallow it. If you learned anything from Cam and AU, you realize that things don't get reported to NCAA anymore. They are supposed to go thru Slive. Believing that Ole Miss types give large sums of $$$ to 5 star recruits for visits and commitments is easier for me to believe than multiple 5 star recruits from out of state with no "in" who are surprisingly extremely interested in the land of cotton. You do know the Ole Miss grad stereotype, right? C34 may not 100% accurate, but there is a lot of truth in his post. I'm about as anti-C34 as They come. (Many debates over Stans.) However, the Rebel uprising should tell you something.
There is a network and it's not just random alumni making the contacts.
We had something going on under JWS, but nothing like the Bears have now.
We had something going on under JWS, but nothing like the Bears have now.
Just because a big time recruit visits a specific college doesn't prove he was paid to visit. I don't know and don't care why they are going to Oxford, but if we assume is it because they were paid large cash sums to do it, and decide we need to start paying large cash sums to total strangers, it will not end well.
"it has to be that they were paid, let's start paying" is a very dangerous conclusion. Sending alums to big time recruits houses to bribe them to visit is beyond stupid. Not all recruiting success is accomplished by bribery and to believe that it is and decide to fight fire with fire will get us into big time trouble.
"it has to be that they were paid, let's start paying" is a very dangerous conclusion. Sending alums to big time recruits houses to bribe them to visit is beyond stupid. Not all recruiting success is accomplished by bribery and to believe that it is and decide to fight fire with fire will get us into big time trouble.
So, you are prepared to step up and go ring the doorbell of a 5 star recruit you have never met 1,000 miles from here and offer him a sack full of cash to visit us?
This sounds like a plan to you?
If they can do it, why can't we? I'll tell you why. They aren't doing it. They would get caught in a week just like us.
It is absurd to think that all 18 yr old recruits are bought and paid for. Just absurd.
Very cynical and paranoid to think that.
This sounds like a plan to you?
If they can do it, why can't we? I'll tell you why. They aren't doing it. They would get caught in a week just like us.
It is absurd to think that all 18 yr old recruits are bought and paid for. Just absurd.
Very cynical and paranoid to think that.
Did you even read what he said?
You get someone who lives in town, not some random guy who is 1,000 miles away.
For example, there is a recruit in Atlanta you are interested in, you contact your people in Atl and they get to know said recruit and make contact.
This is done by local people, they build a relationship with the recruit and make payment.
We aren't doing this and won't under Mullen, Bucky is all in though.
You get someone who lives in town, not some random guy who is 1,000 miles away.
For example, there is a recruit in Atlanta you are interested in, you contact your people in Atl and they get to know said recruit and make contact.
This is done by local people, they build a relationship with the recruit and make payment.
We aren't doing this and won't under Mullen, Bucky is all in though.
Good Lord. Anyone in Atlanta can "get to know" a 5 star recruit and make a big cash payment?
Come on, people. This is complete fantasyland.
Come on, people. This is complete fantasyland.
1. You admit that you don't know
2. You don't care how others recruit
3. You somehow conclude that our response should be to cheat too.
4. You presume certain schools don't cheat because you personally don't have "proof".
I disagree with all 4 statements.
2. You don't care how others recruit
3. You somehow conclude that our response should be to cheat too.
4. You presume certain schools don't cheat because you personally don't have "proof".
I disagree with all 4 statements.
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Personally I'm glad Coach34 has now directed his attention to OM. Perhaps he can wreck their football program like he led the charge to wreck our basketball program with his campaign against Coach Stansbury.
Talk about burying your head in a pile is sand. Wake up, it's happening in college sports. To what extend, I am not sure, but players are paid large sums to attend a particular school.
Do you remember Albert Means.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2002-02-01-alabama-violations.htm
Do you remember Albert Means.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2002-02-01-alabama-violations.htm
Ole Miss Fans are just stupid and they just proved it bymaking such a big deal over a message board post. <o
></o>Ole Miss Fans are just stupid and they just proved it bymaking such a big deal over a message board post. <o
And by making such a big deal of it, they promoted C34's website and got him on bo bounds' show this morning. Remind me... who's laughing at who?
I can assure you,
he had nothing to do with the firing of Stansbury, other than convincing a few idiots on some message board that Stansbury was not a good coach.
he had nothing to do with the firing of Stansbury, other than convincing a few idiots on some message board that Stansbury was not a good coach.
I would be a lot more inclined to believe they have a vast Network of rogue alums if there was any "proof" of it. No one, including Coach34, has named a single rich alum that is doing it or named a single recruit who took the money or stated an amount or where the deal was made or anything like that. If he knows it is happening, then name some names. State how much and when and where.
I am not saying there aren't payments being made to recruits all over, but no school is going to use a large number of rich alums as their bagmen. It is a looney theory. Do we really think they have dozens of bagmen dropping off cash to dozens of recruits they don't even know every week, yet not one of them has ever told us or anyone about it or reported it to anyone anywhere? Do you need a bridge or some swamp land?
How can you infer that I want to fire Mullen. I really don't, but I do wish he would hire a ST coach and a real OC.
"If he knows it is happening, then name some names."
You really expect him to name names? Really? Now, that's "looney". C34 may not be 100% accurate but some of his points are valid. Your adamant denials and self-admitted lack of knowledge don't correlate. You are the one with the theories because you are implying the Ole Miss grads act logically. Since you had so many questions, do you really think that Ole Miss has one of the top lists of visitors in the country from all over the country and they are not doing anything outside the norm and/or illegal in recruiting? Talk about swamp land for sell. I have heard specific stories that are logical. Do I want to tell "HunterDawg" names on the internet? Uhhhhhh, no.
You really expect him to name names? Really? Now, that's "looney". C34 may not be 100% accurate but some of his points are valid. Your adamant denials and self-admitted lack of knowledge don't correlate. You are the one with the theories because you are implying the Ole Miss grads act logically. Since you had so many questions, do you really think that Ole Miss has one of the top lists of visitors in the country from all over the country and they are not doing anything outside the norm and/or illegal in recruiting? Talk about swamp land for sell. I have heard specific stories that are logical. Do I want to tell "HunterDawg" names on the internet? Uhhhhhh, no.
Was I happy with our season offensively, yes I really was when you look at the entire 10-3 season.
Do you think our offense could have been better this past year? I do.
I really do think we had some playcalling issues in our 3 losses.
Did we have some defensive issues in our Ole Miss and GT losses, Hell yes we did.
Does Mullen need to to relinquish some control on offense, maybe.
No, his premise is that they find alumni who know, or have some connection to those recruits and get them to visit. Here is a Sports Illustrated article on just this tactic FlabLoser posted. The only thing they left out was alumni and money. It's not that far of a stretch.
On National Signing Day 2012, after the Rebels' staff cobbled together a solid-if-unspectacular class in less than two months on the job, Freeze unveiled his master plan for 2013. The Rebels would identify 12 highly ranked players -- regardless of location -- and recruit them relentlessly. Most of the players were selected because of some sort of connection. One had an older brother who played at Ole Miss. One had a high school teammate who played at Ole Miss. One played at a high school where an Ole Miss staffer used to coach. One played at a high school that had an alum playing for Arkansas State, where Freeze coached in 2011. Some, such as 6-foot-6, 290-pound offensive tackle Tunsil, were selected even though the staff had no connections at the upper reaches of that position group. The Rebels needed tackles, so they figured they'd go after the best one. Freeze told his assistants that if they could get any of these players interested, they needed to be locked into an official visit on the weekend of Jan. 25, 2013. The only way to make this work, Freeze surmised, was to get the elite recruits together on the campus where they redshirt Miss Americas and make the grand pitch to the group. That way, one or two true believers might help the skeptical ones overcome any lingering doubts. The plan thrilled the coaches, who considered it a challenge.
http://www.si.com/college-football/2...ss-signing-day
Honestly, I can see UMiss fans doing that. Recruiting is really an addiction to them, and addicts will do some crazy stuff to get their fix.
Defense separated us from a playoff berth, not offense. You sound ridiculous.
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