Lively Decision next week!
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Lively is not committing to Scheyer. He’s committing to the program. Coach K isn’t going anywhere for a while. He’s telling recruits he’s going to be there for a long while until Scheyer gets his feet wet. K is also telling recruits the connections are still there and nothing has changed.
This is obvious. No one is going there to play for a guy they know nothing about over Cal.
It’s going to take time. Until K is completely out of the picture this is going to happen. Duke will slow over the next 3 years but not before then.
It’s essentially this. Duke has two head coaches starting next year. By 2024 you’ll see it changing.
This is obvious. No one is going there to play for a guy they know nothing about over Cal.
It’s going to take time. Until K is completely out of the picture this is going to happen. Duke will slow over the next 3 years but not before then.
It’s essentially this. Duke has two head coaches starting next year. By 2024 you’ll see it changing.
I hate seeing those slimeballs keep winning the battles.
Probably, but it's not just K, US basketball and Nike are doing their part as well. Even if K is still the puppet master, you don't go play for a first time coach unless other factors are involved over a coach who has the longest resume in recruiting.
I think folks can quit updating the picks for this one...we all know by now
I agree, but like you said it’s not just K. That’s why I said the program, not the coach. Duke is recruiting by committee. They’re trying to utilize whatever they can to continue success.
I don’t know why some were thinking that because K is retiring recruiting was gonna slow immediately. That’s not how it works. Definitely not how it works with K. He chose Scheyer for a reason.
Transfer portal significantly lessens the blow if he doesn’t choose UK.
Have you watched his film? Bona is very good and is very strong already. He has played for Turkeys National team so he knows more than just highschool ball.
People saying Lively is all world are talking about his potential down the line.
If he's so awesome, why is Lively ranked so much higher than Bona? Why is Lively a future lottery pick and Bona not in that discussion?
I'm sure Bona is very good, but he's not at Lively's level.
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Cause Lively has more potential being a 7 foot gazelle who can shoot. Thats pretty rare. Lively is good but I dont think a Lively led Duke team necessarily beats a team like last years Baylor.
Well, the discussion was never about if Duke + Lively could beat 2021 Baylor. I’m not sure why you are bringing that up. Duke 2022 doesn't have to play 2021 Baylor and this discussion is not about how duke would perform as a team.
But also, Lively doesn’t JUST have more potential than Bona, no, it's a fact that Lively is a far better player right now, so in my opinion, the thought that Bona is a better fit, is just a coping mechanism for losing Lively.
I wanted Lively. Not even gonna pretend I didn't. But I said before, Bona is very good player also. If UK gets Bona and Wallace, I'm all in for that.
Clark
Sharpe
Livingston
Bona
Wallace
That's an excellent class. #1 player in class and 2 more top 10 recruits. 5 players in the top 25. That's a very good class folks. We cam lament Lively but that ship has sailed apparently, so no need to waste time on that.
Clark
Sharpe
Livingston
Bona
Wallace
That's an excellent class. #1 player in class and 2 more top 10 recruits. 5 players in the top 25. That's a very good class folks. We cam lament Lively but that ship has sailed apparently, so no need to waste time on that.
My guess is that Lively is not interested in being a center, either in the traditional offense that Calipari runs or the 4-out-1-in offense he is talking about for this year. With Duke having Filipowski inside, Lively can play "point" forward or whatever. It's likely the same pitch they gave to Paulo Banchero this year, with Mark Williams anchoring the post.
Better fit isn’t just coping. Lively has a better all around game and is the better shot blocker but Bona is a better rebounder who can hold down the middle. If your playing 4 guards you don’t want a center who is getting pushed around and floating out shooting 3s. Still wish you had Lively but point being Bona is going to be a better get than his ranking indicates and when it’s all said and done he could end up top 10.
Folks, Lively is a great player, we all know that. Bona is an excellent player in his own right though too. As soon as Lively commits to Duke it is time for us to pull up our big boy pants and look at and root for the UK players and potential UK players. I won't give a rat's arse about Lively at that point. Based on tape and his performances this summer it looks like Bona is a super mobile athletic big that routinely gets to the basket and outworks people. If you look at the game within a game potential matchup with us and Duke, suppose Lively gets 18 points. To me Bona will be a master of rebounds, putbacks, and beating people down the court. Suppose he can get us 10 points. Hell, with his speed he may be able to get Lively in foul trouble, who knows. In my scenario we'd be at an 8 point deficit. Our superb perimeter should be able to more than make up for that. What i always hated was one of our opponents scoring leaders crushing us in the individual matchup, which we've seen a lot. If Bona can keep the individual matchup fairly close we'll be fine. Folks, please show class after the Lively announcement. Eff him, let's just root for 'our' guys.
I brought up Baylor cause they out physicaled everyone. Bona is more physical
I think Bona is a nice consolation prize, but he's a downgrade from Lively. I mean, AD was skinny too, but when you're that size and highly skilled, you're just better than everyone else. Some services have Lively as the #1 overall recruit in a loaded class.
As far as Bona, at this point, I'm taking a wait-and-see approach, we've been fooled too many times to say he's legit at this point.
Out-physicaled? That's not what I saw at all. Their 6'5" forward played well, but their guards overpowered Gonzaga. They were guicker, stronger and far more disciplined. Baylor didn’t have a single guy that resembles Bona.
I feel like Cal and the staff might have figured out Lively wasn’t coming to UK, since he got a commitment from Sharpe, Livingston and Clark is already committed. If you add Wallace and Bona there’s your five. Especially if he is selling the small ball four to Livingston. Just a guess is all and assuming Wallace and Bona commit at some point.
When I think of Duke I think of great big men in the last 10 years. Not.
Vernon Carey? Nope.
Marvin Bagley? Nope. He's the same player in the NBA he was in High School.
Giles and Bolden? Nope. One is injury related and the other plays in Indonesia
Just how gullible are these young people.
Vernon Carey? Nope.
Marvin Bagley? Nope. He's the same player in the NBA he was in High School.
Giles and Bolden? Nope. One is injury related and the other plays in Indonesia
Just how gullible are these young people.
I mean look through here at the Duke big men. Its embarrassing the level of failure at Duke for these players as it relates to the NBA
While you may be right, it doesn't look like Lively cares.
Flipowski also prefers the outside from what I have seen
We just have different perceptions man but quicker and stronger equates to physicality to me. I think Bona help sets the tone for our stud guards to being more physical ala Baylor. Let Duke be pansy Gonzaga
From a recruiting pitch standpoint and NBA future, yeah it's odd that Duke would continue to land talented big guys. But Carey (17.6 PPG), Bagley (21.0 PPG), Okafor (17.3 PPG), Parker (19.1 PPG), and Plumlee (17.1 PPG) have all been very successful on the college level. I'm sure Banchero will be similarly successful this year.
Their UK counterparts: Noel to Plumlee, Randle to Parker, Towns to Okafor, Washington to Bagley, Richards to Carey have probably been just as good, but also have enjoyed NBA success as well.
Their UK counterparts: Noel to Plumlee, Randle to Parker, Towns to Okafor, Washington to Bagley, Richards to Carey have probably been just as good, but also have enjoyed NBA success as well.
Yeah, I just meant that may be what Lively is being sold on.
It's kind of amazing how Filipowski was ranked outside of the top 100 back in January and is now top 10 across the board. He was around the 40s when he committed to Duke back in July even. He is a very good passing big man too.
I understand your point on those guys returning but doesn't NIL have the potential to change that? Collins with a year under his belt of playing time and weight training could make alot of money coming back. Throw in the fact that if we sign Wallace he could play a season with his cousin. 5 star guys who have come back for at least a second year since 2013. Poythress, Marcus Lee, Andrew Harrison, Aaron Harrison, Briscoe, Nick Richards, dakari Johnson, Ashton Hagan's, IQ, PJ Washington, Brooks Ej Montgomery. All 5stars who came back for a second year. Now some if them left after their second year and should have stayed. But that is 12 guys in the last 8 seasons without NIL money available. Now I wouldn't bet big money on it but I think the chances are a little better than a snowballs chance in hell we get at least one of Collins or OT back.
I don't follow recruiting like I did years ago, and I rarely weigh in on these matters. However, unless I've forgotten everything I know about basketball, having Bona for 1 year may indeed be better than getting Lively. I've watched a lot of highlights of both (probably because I'm re-energized with Antigua back), and if Lively is better right now, I can't see it. Bona looks stronger, more athletic, more aggressive and has very nice footwork. That may not be the case 3 years from now, but as we know all too well, what good does that do us?
I may be in a distinct minority here, but I've thought Bona looks better for some time, and actually would rather have him for the short term... which is all anyone gets out of players at this level anyway.
Filipowski looks like the type of recruit Duke gets in the top 10 and ends up being Bolden like to me. Stays 3 years and never does much.
Very good point part of Lively's ranking is how could he be later on
Bona is gonna be very good. I watched clips of him handling the ball on the perimeter and driving past multiple guys and dunking on them. He’s pretty skilled. Dunks everything too. He’s not as polished shooting and I don’t know about his passing but he defends, rebounds. And plays strong. All qualities a Cal big man has and does well.
At least to me, if I was a Lively caliber talent or #2 player in the nation I would (rightfully) feel like none of that matters and that I can be succesful no matter what school I go to.
He’s overrated for sure. Solid player, but a little hard to believe how highly rated.
Oh yeah, I'm sure NIL can change all of this, but the real money is in the NBA and Cal does everything he can to find a path for these kids to make it there. Most coaches try to get their players back, Cal tries to find a spot for them at the next level. Lucky us huh?
Yeah, if you're a legit lottery pick, it doesn't matter where you go, just go where you think you'll enjoy it the most and where you can easily put a stamp on your Lottery status. To me, duke is the easy choice, it seems like the workouts are much harder here and so is the pressure, but I could be wrong on that.
The scouting report on 247 for bona by Jerry Meyer has Bona as a top 10 draft pick, for whatever that is worth.
One of those multiple wings/bigs they are getting is going to have to take one for the team and barely play