KU is not going to pass us.
Lest we forget 2019-2020?
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Cal has lost his fire. I want hungry Cal back, not “look at all I’ve done” Cal. Not “count my NBA players” Cal. I want the Cal that turned UMass into a contender and turned Padilla and Travieso into the best backcourt in the country. I want Cal who turned Memphis into a powerhouse. I want Cal who revolutionized the game by recruiting OAD kids while everyone else ignored them. I want DDMO, you don’t have to have a dominant big man to compete, let’s drive the ball down everyone’s throat Cal. That Cal was an innovator and a rebel. Now he is wants to play 1980’s pound the ball inside, play defense and rebound the ball Cal. As some have said on here, I want Swaggy Cal back.
You honestly don't think KU can win 3 more games than we do this season? Heck it's only 2 if they beat us.
Why would they move on? They're a football first school and they've been to a very recent final four.
We’re a blue blood basketball school with 8 national titles and there isn't a larger, more passionate fanbase.
Lastly, MSU didn’t go 9-16 last year, Izzo doesn’t talk down to his own fans, Izzo doesn’t make 9 million a year and MSU actually made the tournament last year.
What am I missing?
This right here.
We're UK, not MSU or UConn or UofL or IU. We are an elite program, and Cal is paid at an elite level. He needs to put an elite product on the floor more often than not.
Rational fans don't expect a 1 seed and a final four every year, but we damn sure expect them more often than every 6 or 7 years considering the tradition of this program, its fanbase, its resources, and the salary of its head coach.
I will never give up on this season until it's over, but a sample size greater than half of Cal's tenure here is long enough to draw some conclusions. For years I've defended Cal and made the same excuses OP has. I've been in wait and see mode since the AU loss. At this point I've seen enough. I thank Cal for bringing us out of the Gillispie black hole, but it's time for a change.
He's not earning his money anymore. It's that simple.
If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Well, that statement isn't as true as it was years ago but you catch my drift.
Shoulda woulda coulda doesn’t make it real.
We’ve waited 7 years for a FF. Enough is enough. Fire his ***.
Yeah they will. No way we beat OSU, Kansas, Bama, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Arkansas.
fine with me. And with those two seasons thrown out we have
2016 - s16 loss to Indiana no real title hopes
2017 - E8, real title hopes
2018 - not a great season, the seas parted and we still lost to K State, no real title hopes
2019 - E8, disappointing loss to Auburn, no real title hopes if you can’t beat them
2022 - lose to everyone with a pulse so far, no real title hopes
are you happy with that?
i know my interest in level in Kentucky Basketball has went from insanely crazy about every shot……to not really caring if we lose. Hell, I didn’t even know we were playing the last game until it was almost over. This is telling. If I can’t nail down a specific reason or two why my interest level has drastically changed, that’s not good.
I don’t want him handling my financials. He’s ok with taking losses.
Well, like my original post suggests... Did we think we had title hopes after being 8-3 two seasons ago? The main point of my post in the first place is that it's a long season. Win against OSU and Louisville and you'll be back on board? Now if we lose both, I'm inclined to lean your way. It's early. Long way to go.
To answer your question, would I have preferred better results? Of course! But the fact that we're in the mix as a contender more years than not, yes, I'm good with that. The title game in 17 was unfortunately played in the Elite Eight that year, with the two best teams remaining going head to head. Gotta enjoy the journey, even if there's some ugly bumps along the way.
Haha all good. I'm ok with staying the course and not being a prisoner of the moment. When **** hits the fan isn't always the best time to panic (and sell). Again, that was the point of my original post.
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Would love to know how keeping an optimistic viewpoint, and saying we shouldn't jump to conclusions of this current team in mid-December constitutes as gas lighting?
You said:
Moral victories are non sequiturs. You're not dealing in reality, in other words, you're trying to push the lie that the loss wasn't that bad. Which it absolutely was.
And you also said this:
38-2 is a straw man, because nobody is claiming that. You're just intellectually dishonest and I wouldn't trust you with my money because you try to shade the truth. You also seem to be fine with mediocrity or substandard results, which again points me to not trusting you with my money.
AND, in your very reply at the top, you gaslight by shading the truth about what you said and trying to frame my own argument. I didn't take issue with your 'optimism,' I took issue with your grasp of the truth. At best you're a smarmy shyster salesman con artist.
We have way too many fans that are okay with mediocrity.
Oh they'll sit here and lie and tell us they've been fans since 1973, but that's just not possible when they tell me, in their very next breath, that Cal is doing a good job here and catering to the NBA draft is good for the program. GTFOH.
You are out of your mind if you think any of this is okay.
Maybe you're bored and you just come here to kill time, but anyone that calls themselves a true UK fan, would never be good with this. Ever. And if you tell me I should just blindly get behind Cal and shut my mouth about my opinions on what I'm seeing, you don't even deserve 2 seconds of my time, because you're either not a true fan, or you have forgotten what UK basketball used to be.
This program is sliding and he refuses to stop it, because the only way to stop it, is to prioritize UK basketball and nothing else. You can't prioritize the NBA draft AND UK, it's not possible.
Tell you what, those big money boosters don't just hand over all that money without caring. Eventually they're going to start asking Mitch for change and I hope that meeting happens tomorrow morning.
Oh they'll sit here and lie and tell us they've been fans since 1973, but that's just not possible when they tell me, in their very next breath, that Cal is doing a good job here and catering to the NBA draft is good for the program. GTFOH.
You are out of your mind if you think any of this is okay.
Maybe you're bored and you just come here to kill time, but anyone that calls themselves a true UK fan, would never be good with this. Ever. And if you tell me I should just blindly get behind Cal and shut my mouth about my opinions on what I'm seeing, you don't even deserve 2 seconds of my time, because you're either not a true fan, or you have forgotten what UK basketball used to be.
This program is sliding and he refuses to stop it, because the only way to stop it, is to prioritize UK basketball and nothing else. You can't prioritize the NBA draft AND UK, it's not possible.
Tell you what, those big money boosters don't just hand over all that money without caring. Eventually they're going to start asking Mitch for change and I hope that meeting happens tomorrow morning.
It’s easy to be optimistic when UK basketball really isn't that important to you.
UK basketball is just a game to you. If you happen to catch a game while fipping through channels, cool, if not, eh, no big deal.
Tell the truth, UKBB really isn't that big of a deal to you. Be honest.
You're an interesting person, my friend. I don't pretend to know you, but you sure as hell seem to think you know me. Was in Blue Orleans with happy tears streaming down my face when we won it all in 2012. I'm an optimistic person that doesn't give up on things, especially early. I'd love for them to win every game by 90 (you get the reference I'm sure, as a true CATS fan)... But I like to enjoy the journey best I can. It ain't always going to be pretty, but let's hope for the best. All the best to you, good sir.
What doesn't work both ways is a six year drought of Final Fours and possibly seven.
It's been seven years and you think people are giving up EARLY?
And there's that strawman again. Winning every game by 90...smh...
The only other thing that might make sense, is you simply lack competitiveness. If you lose, you shrug your shoulders and move on, it doesn't affect you in the least.
But know this, most of us on here would kill to slip on a UK jersey and step on that court, even if it was for 30 seconds and every loss takes a piece out of you for the rest of the day and the next day.
I don't believe him. He only references 2012 and doesn't bother to mention how he felt in 2010 or 2015. He's a fraud.
Strawman, or tongue in cheek
There might be some truth to this, I'll give you that. I live and die with the wins/losses... But I don't know if anyone would point to me and call me the most competitive guy in the class. I truly try to live in the moment and take things as they come. Control what you can control. So there's that. Doesn't mean winning isn't important to me, it is. As I've said before, it's the overall journey and the big picture that matters most. I'm not upset about that fact.
We have a better center than Nick, but there's no IQ
The SEC other than us was bad that year, very down year, especially when comparing to the gauntlet right now
Most games in that year were won in the single digits, and by FTs, and this team can't foul
If we're looking at a 2020 trajectory we're screwed
The SEC other than us was bad that year, very down year, especially when comparing to the gauntlet right now
Most games in that year were won in the single digits, and by FTs, and this team can't foul
If we're looking at a 2020 trajectory we're screwed
Yeah, I'm trying to figure it out. He probably has 2.3 kids at home, a dog named Max and a dodge caravan.
Most of his days are filled with coloring books, cleaning spoiled milk off the walls, watching the kids while the wife gets out of the house "for just a break", then he goes out to mow the grass for the 8th time this week, just to get the **** out of the house for a few. Oh he's push mowing it too.
He has no time to be invested in UK sports, so this is no big deal to him.
But he’s going to come here and tell us we should calm down and give Cal more time.
2015... I was living in Roanoke VA... With plans of driving to Indy for the title game. My girlfriend (now wife) is from Maryland and watched every UK game with me. They lost that game and she said, "I feel like I just broke up with someone." It was a very slight silver lining for me, because it meant she was a true blue fan. 2015 sucked. I still hate they show the 31-0 shot on the intro in Rupp, same with Sparks shot against MSU in 05. Ended in heartbreak. Dude, we've had family season tix in Rupp since the building was built. I am no fraud. But keep spewing whatever **** you want to talk. I'm an optimistic person, and your harsh words don't do much to someone like me.
Yeah, so basically in your mind, if UK loses the all time wins lead and we go another 10 years without a FF, it won't really bother you, you have more important things to worry about.
But… .but, I guarantee there is something that you're extremely passionate about that I wouldn't give 2 seconds of my time to. But just know this, I wouldn't walk into your passionate place and tell you "it's no big deal, just be patient". That ain't right.
Zero kids and you can find me singing kareoke at the Chinoe Pub every so often. Just the wife and I and we go to the Caribbean as often as we can. Have season tix at Rupp. Soaked in every second when I heard a bit of the old roar during the Ohio game.
**** has been hitting the fan for over a year. And trending that way for years. I hope you're better at finances than basketball.
I used to live right around the corner from Henry Clay HS (Manor Drive), I loved going to Chinoe pub. Nice place to chill.
I leave whenever I see someone setting up to do Karaoke though, that’s just my rule.
IMO that wouldn’t be so bad. The UK fan base reminds me of the Geico commercial where the guy is dangling the dollar bill off of the fishing pole and our fans are trying to grab it , but instead of a dollar bill it’s the “ dynamite class next year” man am I sick of hearing about the studs we have coming in “ next year” say like Boston and Clarke( just one of MANY examples I could use). This year Cal used a variation it was the “stud transfer portal class” only one of which is worth a damn. I want Cal and his traveling circus of NBA mercenaries GONE, don’t care who leaves ultimately our program will be better for it. Next will come the legion of doom, 1 Who would you replace him with? Just about anybody at this point. 2 If we fire him we become Indiana’s! I got news for you folks we already are Indiana. 3 Cal will get it together by March,. UK basketball is or WAS so much more than what happens in March.Cal is slowly destroying a great program and the traditions that made UK basketball, it’s the death of a thousand cuts or as a great sportswriter John Bibb once said of the Curry era at Alabama, “ the curse of mediocrity.” We are bleeding fans, lifelong UK fans that are the heart of the great UK Blue Nation, anybody that thinks differently is in denial or just doesn’t want to look. I want Cal out now , after the end of the season , it’s time for the circus to leave town.