Lest we forget 2019-2020?

[CatOfDaVille]

Well, like my original post suggests... Did we think we had title hopes after being 8-3 two seasons ago? The main point of my post in the first place is that it's a long season. Win against OSU and Louisville and you'll be back on board? Now if we lose both, I'm inclined to lean your way. It's early. Long way to go.

To answer your question, would I have preferred better results? Of course! But the fact that we're in the mix as a contender more years than not, yes, I'm good with that. The title game in 17 was unfortunately played in the Elite Eight that year, with the two best teams remaining going head to head. Gotta enjoy the journey, even if there's some ugly bumps along the way.

Being ready for a coaching change and giving up on this season are not mutually exclusive. I will still think they'll win every game and I'll watch every one as I always have.

See, I'm an optimist too, but I'm also a realist. I was you two years ago and defended Cal to anyone who would listen. However, I'm also the kind of person who will keep an open mind and can change my stance in the face of new data. He's not the same coach he was the first 6 years. I still like the guy and he should be remembered fondly for the title he gave us, but it's time for a change IMO.

Now, if he proves the doubters wrong and wins a title this year or next, then I will take that as a new data point and adjust my opinion accordingly. I just don't see that happening based on the most recent data I've seen.

 

[struggler]

1. Standard for regular season consistency muchless dominance has sooo lowered under Cal it is just sad. Regular season mediocrity is the new standard... Because you know... Regular season games are hard when ur everyone's superbowl.

2. Always playing for March is clearly not working out either... Again unless you are content with mediocrity and excuses and "we'll gett'm next year."

3. Fear of Cal leaving... Others leaving... Decommits. Fear is a weak place to operate from... And frankly stupid. Keeps you in unhealthy places. If coaches and players leave... They were not here for UK... They were here for Cal. For me Id prefer coaches and players who appreciate UK basketball, tradition, fan passion and desire to rebuild a strong dominant program vs players who might be good... Who might be decent people but who are ultimately in it for themselves. "Players first" sounds fine and supposedly means happy players will produce wins. Sadly it can also apathetic players with zero care for the program and little care about a season unless it remains about them. Don't ***** about players being selfish when you've told them the world revolves around the.

Go Cats but clearly... To some... That was a sad loss and this isnt working.

 

[LowCountryCat]

2015... I was living in Roanoke VA... With plans of driving to Indy for the title game. My girlfriend (now wife) is from Maryland and watched every UK game with me. They lost that game and she said, "I feel like I just broke up with someone." It was a very slight silver lining for me, because it meant she was a true blue fan. 2015 sucked. I still hate they show the 31-0 shot on the intro in Rupp, same with Sparks shot against MSU in 05. Ended in heartbreak. Dude, we've had family season tix in Rupp since the building was built. I am no fraud. But keep spewing whatever **** you want to talk. I'm an optimistic person, and your harsh words don't do much to someone like me.

And there’s the victim card that I predicted.

 

[UKGrad93]

For all y’all that are down on this team, just remember, we haven’t even had camp Cal yet. After camp Cal and a little tweak, we gonna go 40-0. You better believe it.

 

[Eccain01]

Tubby smith got fired for less. Idk but something has to change. I’m sick of us ducking non con opponents and I’m sick of us getting our *** kicked by our rivals.

 

[StubbornPenny]

Well, like my original post suggests... Did we think we had title hopes after being 8-3 two seasons ago? The main point of my post in the first place is that it's a long season. Win against OSU and Louisville and you'll be back on board? Now if we lose both, I'm inclined to lean your way. It's early. Long way to go.

To answer your question, would I have preferred better results? Of course! But the fact that we're in the mix as a contender more years than not, yes, I'm good with that. The title game in 17 was unfortunately played in the Elite Eight that year, with the two best teams remaining going head to head. Gotta enjoy the journey, even if there's some ugly bumps along the way.

1/4 years we were an actual contender. With our two years we threw out, I argue 1/6 heading into 1/7. Not acceptable. We’ve gone from “we just want to be in the conversation every year” to “well sweet sixteens are ok.”

 

[FinancialPlannerZac]

And there’s the victim card that I predicted.

You guys are tons of fun, huh? It was said I was only talking about the 2012 title and not the tough losses such as 2010 and 2015. And somehow that made me a fraud UK fan. No victim card needed.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

This thread about as good for the OP as Pickett's Charge went for Robert E. Lee.

Great theoretically, and then the other actual people started responding...

 

[FinancialPlannerZac]

This thread about as good for the OP as Pickett's Charge went for Robert E. Lee.

Great theoretically, and then the other actual people started responding...

Providing a little perspective goes a long way. Tell me, if this teams ends up similarly to the team I originally posted about, you wouldn't be excited about their tournament prospects at that point? I have no idea if it will go that way or not, but please tell me what the "actual" people would think in that scenario.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Providing a little perspective goes a long way. Tell me, if this teams ends up similarly to the team I originally posted about, you wouldn't be excited about their tournament prospects at that point? I have no idea if it will go that way or not, but please tell me what the "actual" people would think in that scenario.

People are tired of “what if” nonsense. We want real change and no more empty promises. To quote the worst President in the history of this country, our patience is wearing thin. Your post is an attempt to obfuscate the reality that Cal doesn’t care anymore and can’t coach. Frankly, his brand of basketball, his arrogance, and his condescension to the fans are as bad as his results.

 

[UKEarp]

You said:

Moral victories are non sequiturs. You're not dealing in reality, in other words, you're trying to push the lie that the loss wasn't that bad. Which it absolutely was.

And you also said this:

38-2 is a straw man, because nobody is claiming that. You're just intellectually dishonest and I wouldn't trust you with my money because you try to shade the truth. You also seem to be fine with mediocrity or substandard results, which again points me to not trusting you with my money.

AND, in your very reply at the top, you gaslight by shading the truth about what you said and trying to frame my own argument. I didn't take issue with your 'optimism,' I took issue with your grasp of the truth. At best you're a smarmy shyster salesman con artist.

This is my all-time favorite post on this forum. You straight up murdered this poor guy. If Cal coached with this type of fire, we wouldn't find ourselves in the predicament that we are in. Bravo.

 

[FinancialPlannerZac]

People are tired of “what if” nonsense. We want real change and no more empty promises. To quote the worst President in the history of this country, our patience is wearing thin. Your post is an attempt to obfuscate the reality that Cal doesn’t care anymore and can’t coach. Frankly, his brand of basketball, his arrogance, and his condescension to the fans are as bad as his results.

You're seeing something in my posts that just isn't there. I'm not trying to alter any realities. I like to take things a season at a time, and then evaluate from there. I'm not saying Cal has an endless rope. He needs to win very soon. I'm not disagreeing with that fact. It is my personal opinion, we have not yet reached the time to jump ship and start over. I'm of the mindset ships can be righted.

 

[LowCountryCat]

You're seeing something in my posts that just isn't there. I'm not trying to alter any realities. I like to take things a season at a time, and then evaluate from there. I'm not saying Cal has an endless rope. He needs to win very soon. I'm not disagreeing with that fact. It is my personal opinion, we have not yet reached the time to jump ship and start over. I'm of the mindset ships can be righted.

You’re deliberately trying to gaslight people who have had enough by implying that they are pulling the trigger too early. That is disingenuous because strong statistical evidence has been posted here in this thread clearly indicating that it is PAST time for Cal to change and the ND game shows an inability to do so. Keep trying to tell people that what they see is not the truth and they will continue to push back against you.

 

[65pacecar]

2019-2020, the myth continues. That team was not that good and more likely to go out in the round of 32 than make the E8. Cal got to claim he had a final four contender when C19 cancelled the tournament. Another what if victory.

 

[LowCountryCat]

2019-2020, the myth continues. That team was not that good and more likely to go out in the round of 32 than make the E8. Cal got to claim he had a final four contender when C19 cancelled the tournament. Another what if victory.

At this rate the gaslighters will have everyone believing that we won the title that year.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Look, I understand yesterday sucked and it's a game we should have won. And coming off of last year, it looks like here we go again. But let's look back at just two seasons ago. That team started off 8-3, with losses to Evansville, and then back to back mid-December losses to Utah and Ohio State. That team went on to win the SEC, finished 25-6, was in line to be a 2-seed and had as good a chance as any team in the field to cut down the nets. Bash me all you want, but we have to remember the CBB season is a marathon and not a sprint. People calling for Cal's head also need to realize that means Antigua and Chin are gone, along with next year's recruiting class. A lot of prisoners of the moment around here. I'm confident this team will get better, won't have a shooting performance like they did yesterday too often, and will be a second weekend tournament team with potential to make a deep run. After turning over the staff, coming off a 9-16 season, some would call that a solid bridge year to building for the future.

The only thing that has me worried is the SEC is as good as it's been in quite a while so counting on only losing 3 SEC games may be a pipe dream.

 

[kyjeff1]

You're seeing something in my posts that just isn't there. I'm not trying to alter any realities. I like to take things a season at a time, and then evaluate from there. I'm not saying Cal has an endless rope. He needs to win very soon. I'm not disagreeing with that fact. It is my personal opinion, we have not yet reached the time to jump ship and start over. I'm of the mindset ships can be righted.

I just want you to be aware of something. You come off like a really good dude and I'm sure you are, but eventually, you are going to turn on Cal too.

It takes some people longer than others to feel how the rest of us feel, but eventually you will get there.

You’re just not as die hard as most of us on here, it's not as big of a deal to you.

And who knows, if we lose 12 games and get beat in the 2nd round, you'll probably shrug your shoulders and move on, because, again, it's not a big deal to you, but eventually it will get to you, all I ask is you understand why a large group of the BBN is pissed and wants change.

We have done our part all these years, Cal is mailing it in and has turned this program into a farm system for the NBA, while collecting a very large paycheck and is now talking down to fans after going 9-16. Not cool.

Does the guy even go out on recruiting trips anymore?

 

[FinancialPlannerZac]

I just want you to be aware of something. You come off like a really good dude and I'm sure you are, but eventually, you are going to turn on Cal too.

It takes some people longer than others to feel how the rest of us feel, but eventually you will get there.

You’re just not as die hard as most of us on here, it's not as big of a deal to you.

And who knows, if we lose 12 games and get beat in the 2nd round, you'll probably shrug your shoulders and move on, because, again, it's not a big deal to you, but eventually it will get to you, all I ask is you understand why a large group of the BBN is pissed and wants change.

We have done our part all these years, Cal is mailing it in and has turned this program into a farm system for the NBA, while collecting a very large paycheck and is now talking down to fans after going 9-16. Not cool.

Does the guy even go out on recruiting trips anymore?

You are more than welcome to your personal opinion on Cal. I am also entitled to my own. Because my opinion doesn't match yours, doesn't mean you get to dictate what my level of fandom is. You speak in absolutes as if your word is the only truth out there. That, sir, is not how it works. I haven't missed a game since I was 6 or 7... so 30 years. UK basketball is a very big deal to me. That's why we all get on these message boards in the middle of May. I appreciate the compliment early in your post. But the rest comes off as extremely arrogant. Again, have your feelings on Cal all you want. But don't pretend to know what my life is like as a UK fan.

 

[FinancialPlannerZac]

You’re deliberately trying to gaslight people who have had enough by implying that they are pulling the trigger too early. That is disingenuous because strong statistical evidence has been posted here in this thread clearly indicating that it is PAST time for Cal to change and the ND game shows an inability to do so. Keep trying to tell people that what they see is not the truth and they will continue to push back against you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the matter. I'm not standing on street corners with a sandwich board professing why Cal should be here until kingdom come. The only thing I've deliberately done is voice my opinion on a message board. There is no pushing of an agenda, or alternative reality. My point has remained to have perspective that it's a long season and one game in mid-December doesn't dictate the entire season. That's it. Somehow the thread got hijacked into what Cal's future should look like. It's ok that we disagree. It really is.

 

[fastpaste101]

Tired of Cal getting credit for the canceled year. It was unsure that Hagans would even be returning, we only had one big who was often in foul trouble, got demolished by Tennessee and needed a miracle comeback against Florida. Not a recipe for NCAA success.

Bottom line is we don’t know what we would have done. A title or a first round flame out are probably not fair in either direction. I think we could Have won a few games and had an okay season but we will never know.