There’s no connection at all between weed and homelessness or heroine.
As far as rent going up....that’s a byproduct of growth and increased capital flowing into an area. How exactly is that a bad thing?
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There’s no connection at all between weed and homelessness or heroine.
As far as rent going up....that’s a byproduct of growth and increased capital flowing into an area. How exactly is that a bad thing?
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You and me both. My body has been poisoned for 20 years by the pharmaceutical companies, let people that choose so give Mother Nature a shot.
As far as those linking legalized weed to heroin, got a question for ya, how much pot is Willie Nelson gonna hafta smoke to find that “gateway?”
As far as those linking legalized weed to heroin, got a question for ya, how much pot is Willie Nelson gonna hafta smoke to find that “gateway?”
I cannot imagine why he feels marijuana is worse than alcohol in that respect. I no longer am able to smoke due to my job, and it is obvious chronic use of any drug will have negative health effects, but once every now and then or for celebratory occasions isnt going to undo someones "sense" of well being.
I'll be in Chicago next week. They legalized recreational marijuana on 1/1, I believe.
I'll be lucky to make it home alive.
I'll be lucky to make it home alive.
I would vote yes, but I wouldn't decry someone who voted no based on our knowledge of the effects on people.
Why should alcohol be legal but not pot? Alcohol is a more addictive drug and causes much more damage than pot ever could.
Nope, still for it being legal. Everytime I go out to Colorado or Washington I have a good time.
More addictive based on which concentrations? And how do you know the concentration of THC you are consuming? This is a study coming from the University of Michigan and Brown University where they stated the concentration of THC in pot confiscated by the DEA has increased steadily from 3.5% in 1994 up to 12.3% in 2012 and that for every 1% increase the average risk of developing cannabis use disorder increased by about 40%. What if the potency tripled in another 15 years? And in another 15 years after that? This narrative is evolving as more research is performed and the number of THC users increase.
For example, trends in highway accidents and THC use:
In October, two studies found a rise in the number of highway crashes in four of the states where the recreational use of marijuana has been legalized. The studies didn't prove a cause-and-effect of marijuana use and crashes, but transportation experts are concerned about the trend.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...itive-marijuana-have-child-car-survey-n998496
My point is that the narrative is evolving while the data continues to tell us things we didn't know as usage expands. Whether or not alcohol is legal or illegal shouldn't have anything to do with how we frame the narrative about how healthy pot use is or isn't.
For example, trends in highway accidents and THC use:
In October, two studies found a rise in the number of highway crashes in four of the states where the recreational use of marijuana has been legalized. The studies didn't prove a cause-and-effect of marijuana use and crashes, but transportation experts are concerned about the trend.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...itive-marijuana-have-child-car-survey-n998496
My point is that the narrative is evolving while the data continues to tell us things we didn't know as usage expands. Whether or not alcohol is legal or illegal shouldn't have anything to do with how we frame the narrative about how healthy pot use is or isn't.
I did see an article on edibles causing some issues recently. Seems it takes longer to take effect and some people take too many thinking it isn't working, then all of a sudden it is working too well. Also mentioned it taking longer to metabolize, thus impairing driving and such, and the tendency for kids to get their hands on them.
I wonder why they do not have pot smoker anonymous or in patient rehab? I haven’t smoked pot in probably a decade but did smoke heavily on a daily basis for probably 10 years straight. One day I just quit. I’m guessing alcohol would not have been as easy
A wise MS girl explains why we should end the war on drugs:
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If you're interested and near Meridian, you can hear her in person on Jan 28 at Weidmanns and enjoy a meal for free. But, you have to register here:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/altern...lDbuCdf7BQpqxGwJaKK-trkYDJ_dvIlmkN4uw12yu9hRs
Well I’ll be damned. I stand corrected. Either way I stand by the fact you cannot drink heavily everyday for a decade and just be able to walk away from it. Happens all the time with pot smokers
There is also this balance of public good, where we have laws that don't allow citizens to do just whatever they want if it could negatively impact others. From a healthcare perspective, at a minimum, that is a reason one might be opposed, but far from communist...
It's a bit complex, but I would say a few things:
1) You can't legislate morality effectively.
2) Takes that MJ is 100% healthy or has never led to someone dying simply aren't true. It may be incredibly difficult to OD and die, but a lot of associated behavior and some potential health risks with the delivery method(s) still exist.
3) Honestly, I would be a huge proponent of tying healthcare costs more directly to individual behavior. Legalize MJ, keep alcohol legal, charge health insurance according to the risks you take with your health. The necessary metrics would never be agreed upon, nor would we likely tolerate the violation of privacy rights. We could at least handle it like car insurance; pretty inexpensive until you start racking up tickets and wrecks. Unfortunately, we see cheap healthcare insurance as some inalienable right. I went with no healthcare for quite a while early in life until I could afford it and never once felt disenfranchised or like it was owed to me.
Long story short. Complex problem = no easy answers. Please don't tell the media or politicians, they'll be severely disappointed!
1) You can't legislate morality effectively.
2) Takes that MJ is 100% healthy or has never led to someone dying simply aren't true. It may be incredibly difficult to OD and die, but a lot of associated behavior and some potential health risks with the delivery method(s) still exist.
3) Honestly, I would be a huge proponent of tying healthcare costs more directly to individual behavior. Legalize MJ, keep alcohol legal, charge health insurance according to the risks you take with your health. The necessary metrics would never be agreed upon, nor would we likely tolerate the violation of privacy rights. We could at least handle it like car insurance; pretty inexpensive until you start racking up tickets and wrecks. Unfortunately, we see cheap healthcare insurance as some inalienable right. I went with no healthcare for quite a while early in life until I could afford it and never once felt disenfranchised or like it was owed to me.
Long story short. Complex problem = no easy answers. Please don't tell the media or politicians, they'll be severely disappointed!
The concentrates are dangerous for a first time user. That can’t be denied.
Isn’t crazy, that we live in a country, where a plant is being governed between imaginary lines? That a citizen of the United States, doesn’t legally have the same rights...but still being a US citizen...across said imaginary line?
Ya got one state over here that has profited billions legalizing it.......other states are still spending government and state funds fighting it.....what a hypocritical piece of work. The issue is beyond ridiculous at this point.
it will be legalized, it’s just a matter of how long it will take. Common sense will prevail
I do have a question. Can I legally sit in my front yard in Colorado, watch my kids play in a sandbox...smoke blunt after blunt and cuss cops as they drive by? Is that legal?
Well, I help homeless folks quite a bit. I'm not sure how you can seriously claim that those drugs aren't related. Primary reasons for long-term homelessness are substance abuse (MJ, heroine, meth, alcohol, etc.) and mental health issues. Some of the mental health issues are organic, some because they've fried their brains on drugs. Anybody who has every actually spent a lot of time with the homeless wouldn't minimize the impact of drugs.
1) I don't know what you're trying to say here. This is the whole issue. If you agree with that statement, then how do you not see the hypocrisy in legalizing one but not the other? I do agree with your statement, which is exactly why I'm pro-legalization.
2) I know there are some imbeciles that think MJ is completely safe. Those people are stupid and wrong. Of course it's not. But MJ and alcohol aren't on the same planet when it comes to recreational drug safety. Eat it and you've eliminated almost all health risks. And it's not difficult to OD on MJ - it's impossible. I can spend $20 at the liquor store and check out tonight. Not to mention the countless other short and long-term health issues associated with drinking. And we aren't even getting to the proven medicinal benefits of MJ (I'm talking about scientifically proven. They are few but they are real. What medicinal benefits does alcohol have other than preventing DTs?).
3) This has nothing to do with whether one is OK with MJ prohibition but not alcohol prohibition.
If you want to take the position that people shouldn't have access to recreational drugs, fine. I don't understand the inconsistency though.
2) I know there are some imbeciles that think MJ is completely safe. Those people are stupid and wrong. Of course it's not. But MJ and alcohol aren't on the same planet when it comes to recreational drug safety. Eat it and you've eliminated almost all health risks. And it's not difficult to OD on MJ - it's impossible. I can spend $20 at the liquor store and check out tonight. Not to mention the countless other short and long-term health issues associated with drinking. And we aren't even getting to the proven medicinal benefits of MJ (I'm talking about scientifically proven. They are few but they are real. What medicinal benefits does alcohol have other than preventing DTs?).
3) This has nothing to do with whether one is OK with MJ prohibition but not alcohol prohibition.
If you want to take the position that people shouldn't have access to recreational drugs, fine. I don't understand the inconsistency though.
They do, it's called NA, although it is not specifically for marijuana and very few people there are there for marijuana. It is a story that gets told however because there can be repercussions for people who are addicted, e.g. losing relationships, jobs, etc.
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