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I disagree.

I do think that is one of the most impressive Finals performances I’ve ever seen. Credit to LeBron, Kyrie and the rest of the Cavs for that.

This isn’t going to be a popular take i’m sure but Lebron in general has faced tougher competition than Jordan.

Jordan’s run started after Bird, Magic and Isiaah Thomas were all injured, on decline or even retired.

Lebron won and lost against dynasty Warrior and Spurs teams. Beat an OKC team with 3 future mvp’s. And a Celtics team with 4 hall of fame locks multiple times.

This isn’t me saying Jordan isn’t the goat. But the ring argument and finals losses etc are not as strong an argument against Lebrons career in general than many think.
 
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This isn’t going to be a popular take i’m sure but Lebron in general has faced tougher competition than Jordan.

Jordan’s run started after Bird, Magic and Isiaah Thomas were all injured, on decline or even retired.

Lebron won and lost against dynasty Warrior and Spurs teams. Beat an OKC team with 3 future mvp’s. And a Celtics team with 4 hall of fame locks multiple times.

This isn’t me saying Jordan isn’t the goat. But the ring argument and finals losses etc are not as strong an argument against Lebrons career in general than many think.
I’ve actually looked into that before as well. LeBron faced very comparable playoff competition to Jordan (by record). LeBron barely edged him out there. And that’s not a good thing for LBJs case, since it recalls the idea of 4 titles in 23 seasons versus Jordan winning 6 in a very short career comparatively. Also, most of LBJs Finals appearances were achieved through the weaker of the two conferences, whereas each of Jordan’s were earned in the tougher of the two conferences. Again, I can do this all day. Smacking around the LBJ arguments is so easy a caveman can do it. There is no GOAT debate, only a preference debate.
 
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Dward13

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I’ve actually looked into that before as well. LeBron faced very comparable playoff competition to Jordan (by record). LeBron barely edged him out there. And that’s not a good thing for LBJs case, since it recalls the idea of 4 titles in 23 seasons versus Jordan winning 6 in a very short career comparatively. Also, most of LBJs Finals appearances were achieved through the weaker of the two conferences, whereas each of Jordan’s were earned in the tougher of the two conferences. Again, I can do this all day. Smacking around the LBJ arguments is so easy a caveman can do it. There is no GOAT debate, only a preference debate.

By record doesn’t seem like such a great indicator.

And how are you judging that the eastern conference was better during Jordan’s run?

I won’t disagree that the west was better during Lebrons run. But Jordan never beat anyone as good as those Celtics teams Lebron had to go through. Or the spurs and warriors teams he beat in the finals. Nothing like OKC either with Westbrook, Durant and James Harden.

I was alive. I watched. The best team Jordan beat in the eastern conference as a declining Pistons team and the Knicks whose 2nd best player was 1 time all star John Starks. The east wasnt exactly a gauntlet back then either.

The magic had Shaq and Penny. And they made the finals when Jordan retired the first time. But got ran over by the Hakeem rockets.

The Malone/Stockton Jazz were good. But they weren’t on the same level as the steph warriors or duncan spurs or even KG/Allen/Pierce/Rondo celtics.

I love stats and numbers. But this is kind of one of those things…if stats are telling you the 90’s knicks, blazers, suns, sonics were better than any of those teams I just listed…you can go ahead and write them off.
 

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By record doesn’t seem like such a great indicator.

And how are you judging that the eastern conference was better during Jordan’s run?

I won’t disagree that the west was better during Lebrons run. But Jordan never beat anyone as good as those Celtics teams Lebron had to go through. Or the spurs and warriors teams he beat in the finals. Nothing like OKC either with Westbrook, Durant and James Harden.

I was alive. I watched. The best team Jordan beat in the eastern conference as a declining Pistons team and the Knicks whose 2nd best player was 1 time all star John Starks. The east wasnt exactly a gauntlet back then either.

The magic had Shaq and Penny. And they made the finals when Jordan retired the first time. But got ran over by the Hakeem rockets.

The Malone/Stockton Jazz were good. But they weren’t on the same level as the steph warriors or duncan spurs or even KG/Allen/Pierce/Rondo celtics.

I love stats and numbers. But this is kind of one of those things…if stats are telling you the 90’s knicks, blazers, suns, sonics were better than any of those teams I just listed…you can go ahead and write them off.
I don’t know what criteria you’re using to compare teams.
 

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Let's ask AI how tough the Eastern Conference was during Jordan's career and compared LeBron's career

How strong was the NBA's Eastern Conference from the years 2004-2018 compared to the NBA's Eastern Conference from 1985-1998?

The Eastern Conference from 1985–1998 was significantly stronger overall than the Eastern Conference from 2004–2018. The difference wasn't just at the top—it extended to the conference's depth, the number of elite players, and the difficulty of advancing through the playoffs.


Here's a comparison.


Category1985–1998 East2004–2018 East
Elite teams★★★★★★★★★☆
Conference depth★★★★★★★★☆☆
Hall of Fame talent★★★★★★★★★☆
Difficulty of reaching FinalsExtremely difficultDifficult, but generally easier
Compared to the WestRoughly equal or strongerUsually weaker

1985–1998: One of the strongest conferences ever


During this era, the East featured multiple dynasties and perennial contenders simultaneously.


Some of the league's premier teams included:


  • Boston Celtics
  • Detroit Pistons
  • Chicago Bulls
  • New York Knicks
  • Indiana Pacers
  • Orlando Magic
  • Miami Heat

The conference was filled with Hall of Fame players, including:


  • Michael Jordan
  • Larry Bird
  • Isiah Thomas
  • Patrick Ewing
  • Scottie Pippen
  • Shaquille O'Neal
  • Alonzo Mourning
  • Reggie Miller
  • Grant Hill

A 50-win team was not guaranteed a deep playoff run because so many opponents were legitimate contenders.

2004–2018: Strong at the top, less deep


This era still produced championship-caliber teams:


  • 2004 Pistons
  • 2006 Heat
  • 2008 Celtics
  • 2012 and 2013 Heat
  • 2016 Cavaliers

It also featured stars such as:


  • LeBron James
  • Dwyane Wade
  • Paul Pierce
  • Kevin Garnett
  • Ray Allen
  • Derrick Rose
  • Paul George

However, the conference had less depth overall.


Several seasons featured only three or four teams viewed as realistic championship threats, while a number of playoff teams finished near .500. By contrast, the Western Conference often had eight or more teams with 50-win quality.

Overall comparison


If you assigned an overall strength rating:


  • 1985–1998 East: 9.5–10/10
  • 2004–2010 East: 5.5–6.5/10 (the weakest stretch)
  • 2011–2018 East: 7–8/10 (an improvement, but still behind the West)

Averaging the entire 2004–2018 period, the Eastern Conference would rate around 7/10, while the 1985–1998 Eastern Conference would be around 9.5/10.

Bottom line


The 1985–1998 Eastern Conference was considerably stronger than the 2004–2018 Eastern Conference. The earlier era featured more championship-caliber teams at the same time, greater depth across the standings, and a much denser concentration of Hall of Fame talent. The later era still produced outstanding champions and all-time great players, but it was less consistently competitive from top to bottom and generally trailed the Western Conference in overall depth for much of its run.
 
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This isn’t going to be a popular take i’m sure but Lebron in general has faced tougher competition than Jordan.

Jordan’s run started after Bird, Magic and Isiaah Thomas were all injured, on decline or even retired.

Lebron won and lost against dynasty Warrior and Spurs teams. Beat an OKC team with 3 future mvp’s. And a Celtics team with 4 hall of fame locks multiple times.

This isn’t me saying Jordan isn’t the goat. But the ring argument and finals losses etc are not as strong an argument against Lebrons career in general than many think.
I dont buy this. Lebrona titles came when he went to stacked teams. You think Jordan loses in finals to Dallas when hes got a stacked roster behind him or San Antonio with a all but done Duncan and a young Khawai . No chance . Lebron was in alot of Finals but lost over half. Only players Jordan got to help vis trades or free agency was Grant, Rodman, and Harper when he was aged rest were drafted. Had Jordan joined super teams hed be up there with Russell. Jmo