Lakers reported offer for AD

DonkeyDwayne

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No I am not wrong about leverage. No has zero leverage in a trade because they know AD is gone one way or another. Teams could just wait a year and they would be desperate to get anything for him.
Then you do not understand how the NBA works. NO does not have to do a thing. A team will be willing to give up starters for a one year run at a championship.

And if anyone thinks AD goes to Boston and the win the championship, that AD would then leave for LA, that person is fooling himself.

LA cannot afford AD - well they can, but not when they have to resign Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Ball. Subscribe....Each of those guys are $15/20 million players in this era if NBA.

So you lose them anyway. Might as well trade some away, and still have cap room to go after a Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard to pair with AD and Hames.
 

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The problem is those other teams do give a crap where he prefers to go so Boston or New York are more reluctant to give up a lot if they know he probably isn’t going to resign.
Boston has a backup at every position that could be starting. So relieving that logjam may help improve chemistry.

Hayward- Tatum
Irving - Rozier
Brown - Smart
Morris - Ojelye
Horrors - Baines

Then Boston has several first round picks.
 
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Boston has a backup at every position that could be starting. So relieving that logjam may help improve chemistry.

Hayward- Tatum
Irving - Rozier
Brown - Smart
Morris - Ojelye
Horrors - Baines

Then Boston has several first round picks.


Horrors lmao. Stupid auto-correct.
 

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Then you do not understand how the NBA works. NO does not have to do a thing. A team will be willing to give up starters for a one year run at a championship.

And if anyone thinks AD goes to Boston and the win the championship, that AD would then leave for LA, that person is fooling himself.

LA cannot afford AD - well they can, but not when they have to resign Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Ball. Subscribe....Each of those guys are $15/20 million players in this era if NBA.

So you lose them anyway. Might as well trade some away, and still have cap room to go after a Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard to pair with AD and Hames.

I do understand how the NBA works. Look at what the Knicks got for Porzingis. Not a ton for a guy like that. He's not AD but he is a top flight player. NY didn't even have a trade demand either. If you expect to get a franchise player for AD your crazy. If ball and those guys are 20 mil a year players then it's a hell of a deal for quality wouldn't you say? The thing is Ball is nowhere near that level yet. Kuzma could get there soon but not yet and Hart is TBD as well. If it goes into next year without a trade the value will get worse for NO because they will keep losing leverage every year he isn't under contract and the fact that he wants out. So they have to find out where he wants to go and then pull off the best package which limits their options.
 

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I do understand how the NBA works. Look at what the Knicks got for Porzingis. Not a ton for a guy like that. He's not AD but he is a top flight player. NY didn't even have a trade demand either. If you expect to get a franchise player for AD your crazy. If ball and those guys are 20 mil a year players then it's a hell of a deal for quality wouldn't you say? The thing is Ball is nowhere near that level yet. Kuzma could get there soon but not yet and Hart is TBD as well. If it goes into next year without a trade the value will get worse for NO because they will keep losing leverage every year he isn't under contract and the fact that he wants out. So they have to find out where he wants to go and then pull off the best package which limits their options.
Portingus is a 7’3” SF coming off a torn ACL. And he did ask for a trade.

NO is not losing any leverage. Any team that wants AD will offer a Kings ransom because of the potential championship it brings and the hope to resign.
 

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NO will find a team willing to trade their future away for a chance to win it with AD. Someone will give up multiple first round picks and some young unproven talent and older veterans.

No one is going to give up a tier one player for just one possible year with AD. But someone will give up multiple first round picks and tier 2 players such as Kuzma.
 

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Magic trying to give them everything except HIV.
When you look st the teams AD has said he will sign an extension with, it is hard to see a better trade than what Lakers have offered.

Milwaukee could offer a deal around Thon Maker, Kris Middleton, and extra pieces.

The Clippers deal would include Tobias Harris,
Avery Bradley and extras.

The Knicks have nothing.

The question becomes who else wants to offer, Boston will, and is it better than any of the above.
 

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Latest offer: Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Rajon Rondo, Lance Stephenson, Michael Beasley and two first-round picks in exchange for Davis and Solomon Hill, who is set to make $13 million next season.

I still hold out for Hart instead of Rondo, Stevenson, Beasley.

I don't see any way they've offered this. But if so NO should take it. Rondo, Stephenson, Beasley are all on 1 yr deals so Pelicans would have money freed up to sign a couple of free agents in off season. Ball, Kuzma, Ingram along with Randle, Holliday and Mirotic not a bad core then try to sign another couple of mid range guys and draft well they could be pretty good. If you don't want Ball bring Phoenix into the deal and maybe get Josh Jackson
 
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the Lakers’ first offer of Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma, Rajon Rondo, Michael Beasley and a first-round pick.

Basically it is Ball, Kuzma, and a pick since Rondo has been there done that and Beasle, well is Beasley.
The latest I have heard rumor wise is they threw in Ingram and some more picks, but here is my question for AD. Do you really want to go to L.A. sign a long term contract to play with an aging Lebron and no one else with no immediate help coming in the future. L.J. is going on 35 and most likely will be gone before A.D. contract is up and then who is he going to have it will be worse than the Pelicans.
 

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I thought the Lakers had all the leverage, they seem pretty desperate for someone in that position.
 

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The latest I have heard rumor wise is they threw in Ingram and some more picks, but here is my question for AD. Do you really want to go to L.A. sign a long term contract to play with an aging Lebron and no one else with no immediate help coming in the future. L.J. is going on 35 and most likely will be gone before A.D. contract is up and then who is he going to have it will be worse than the Pelicans.
That isnt a rumor, it's been reported already
 

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The latest I have heard rumor wise is they threw in Ingram and some more picks, but here is my question for AD. Do you really want to go to L.A. sign a long term contract to play with an aging Lebron and no one else with no immediate help coming in the future. L.J. is going on 35 and most likely will be gone before A.D. contract is up and then who is he going to have it will be worse than the Pelicans.

I could see the Lakers trying for a 3 year run with LeBron and AD. Plus I could see a couple of other higher profile guys wanting in on the action even if it's for less money.
 

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Bucks would have to throw in Eric Bledsoe I think. Their draft picks arent worth much.

I dont even wanna think about a team with Giannis and AD. :weary::weary:
 

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Everyone thinking the Pels shouldn't take this offer are assuming other teams are going to make offers at all...you don't trade picks and young rising stars for a year rental, period. The reason they have to take this offer, is because there are no other offers...so as a few others have said, they have ZERO leverage.
 

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I could see the Lakers trying for a 3 year run with LeBron and AD. Plus I could see a couple of other higher profile guys wanting in on the action even if it's for less money.

They will probably pick up Klay Thompson, I also think Kawhi is a wild card in all this.
 

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I think NO will wait till after the season, take a better offer than the Lakers can offer from Boston or New York, and then he’ll just go to LA after his contract expires. The Pels don’t give a crap where he prefers to go.

What can NY possibly offer?
 

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I don't see any way they've offered this. But if so NO should take it. Rondo, Stephenson, Beasley are all on 1 yr deals so Pelicans would have money freed up to sign a couple of free agents in off season. Ball, Kuzma, Ingram along with Randle, Holliday and Mirotic not a bad core then try to sign another couple of mid range guys and draft well they could be pretty good. If you don't want Ball bring Phoenix into the deal and maybe get Josh Jackson
Except NO is trading Randle and Mirotic as well.

The issue becomes having the old Lakers of a few years ago transplanted to NO.

Ball
Kuzma
Ingram
Randle if he is kept
With Holiday

Rondo, Stevenson,Beasley would all be waived or traded forward.

Could Randle be moved to bring in Gasol or another available big? Then NO needs shooters.

Still wondering what Boston would offer—- Tatum, Brown and 2 firsts?
 

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The latest I have heard rumor wise is they threw in Ingram and some more picks, but here is my question for AD. Do you really want to go to L.A. sign a long term contract to play with an aging Lebron and no one else with no immediate help coming in the future. L.J. is going on 35 and most likely will be gone before A.D. contract is up and then who is he going to have it will be worse than the Pelicans.
It is hit or miss. AD and Lebron are not enough to win. But with those two you can attract top talent and possibly have enough for another max contract - Kwahi, Butler, Thompson, Ariza, Rubio.

So you then have AD, James and Leonard with filler pieces like Hart and Zubac. That is a pretty strong staring group.

James then ends in 3 years and you have another max slot with 2 30 year olds.
 

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It is hit or miss. AD and Lebron are not enough to win. But with those two you can attract top talent and possibly have enough for another max contract - Kwahi, Butler, Thompson, Ariza, Rubio.

So you then have AD, James and Leonard with filler pieces like Hart and Zubac. That is a pretty strong staring group.

James then ends in 3 years and you have another max slot with 2 30 year olds.
Maybe that happens but L.A. thought they would get Paul George after one year that didn't happen, maybe Kwahi decides he likes Toronto and stays. Seems like there are not a bunch of players lining up to play with L.J. and it they don't get anyone, A.D. will be in a big hole looking up.