You honestly think we will hate not recruiting him? We get sad over guys like Zion. Not guys like Tandy who will be like CUnningham for UofL. Why didn’t they offer him if he is so great? They need guys too.
KyKy Tandy
- Thread starter tomrain
- Start date
You honestly think we will hate not recruiting him? We get sad over guys like Zion. Not guys like Tandy who will be like CUnningham for UofL. Why didn’t they offer him if he is so great? They need guys too.
“If he does get an offer, he’s not going to Kentucky with three or four point guards there,” Torian told Kyle Tucker of SEC Country this weekend. “He’s not no bench player. And that’s what they think he is: He’ll just come in and play four years. No, no.”
I think his dad made another remark or 2 and that was that.
This is when UK lost interest in KyKy...m as y of cost his son a future in the NBA...
His mouth just wrote a million dollar check
How peeved would you be at yo pops.
I mean 6'1" SG really don't exist in nba
Has to be realky special at that size
Just don't see it
Hope I'm wrong, plus kinda glad he ain't coming, could you imagine how many times we would hear drake's hey ki ki...
Not gonna lie, I'll be rooting for him. Love seeing local kids succeed.
Jon Hood had huge numbers coming out of the 2nd region as well. He was even rated significantly higher than Tandy. KyKy is D1 material but not major school caliber, I've said that for past 2 years every time someone brought him up.
Jon Hood was 56th on final 24/7 ranking
KyKy Tandy 89th
Is he a guy who will average 15 a game and in year 3 could average 20+ points a game at Xavier? Yes. Is he on the same caliber as a Fox, Monk, Hagans, Herro, Murray, Booker etc? No. He is an undersized 2 who will have trouble guarding bigger guards. Needs to work on ball handling and his outside shot. He can already finish at the rim but 18ft and out he is underwhelming. Serviceable D1 player but not the same caliber we are used to at UK. He could have played a Dom Hawkins type role and been a 6-7 man and possibly a starter by year 3-4. He didn't want that so best of luck to him at Xavier. It is what it is but Allen has way more upside and way more of a complete game.
Last edited:
It isn’t a question of blame. Coach Calipari always says UK isn’t for everyone. He runs his team by getting players to buy into the philosophy that the team comes 1st. It is Calipari’s job to find the right fits and sign them. Calipari is right to look for players with character. What good is done by signing a player whose Dad is influencing him to put himself above the team? When the father shows these issues during the recruitment, that reflects on the kid and raises the potential for interpersonal issues later. Calipari doesn’t want that in his locker room, and he is right. This is what killed Tandy’s and Romeo Langford’s recruitments by UK. I’m glad our coach is selective.
I think you’re overlooking the fact he plays against garbage Kentucky competition. What time does his team play in the Sweet 16?
Seems like if he was that damn good he could singlehandly guide UHA to victory in a lowly regional tournament.
Thanks for stopping by Mr Tandy.
Seems like if he was that damn good he could singlehandly guide UHA to victory in a lowly regional tournament.
Thanks for stopping by Mr Tandy.
Cal does not like parents inserting themselves into recruiting process. When Cal said that Brad would contribute by his senior year, he almost pulled Brad’s offer
His Dad was just speaking openly and honestly. I think it's refreshing. Besides, who wants an elite recruit that doesn't believe their the best. 95% of all game changers have a cocky persona. Maybe this is why Cal can't sign top 5 talent anymore.
It is an absolute travesty when UK doesn't sign in state recruits of this talent.
It is an absolute travesty when UK doesn't sign in state recruits of this talent.
His Dad can say anything he wants. And Calipari can sign whichever players he wants. There is no travesty here.
He may turn out to be another Lofton or even better, another Ja Morant at Murray State. However, I’ll defer to Cal’s judgment. I’m sure he knows much more about this kid than a one time observer of him play in high school.
People talk about the garbage region 2....but Hoptown schools carry that region. Actually....our talent level is pretty much dominating the state...compare us to BG, Louisville, and Lexington who have wayyyyy more people and we are still producing talent on par w/ Louisville and better than Lexington.
Here are the players he played against in his district the last 4-5 years that are currently playing Division 1 basketball. This is just kids Kyky played against in town during high school that are D1...I won't go in to the other kids at good JuCo's and D2 schools.
1.JaQualis Matlock: Plays for Eastern Illinois
2. Tyrik Edwards: Played for Jacksonville State before he transferred.
3. Tray Hollowell: Plays for top 20 Wofford
4. Jaylen Sebree: Plays for FAU, was averaging 10, 4, & 2 his freshman year this season before injury
5. Detorrian Ware: Plays for Jacksonville State
6. Jalen Johnson: Plays for Murray State
Over his High School tenure he played in a district that produced 6 division 1 players in a 4-5 year span!?!?! A city w/ only 3 schools. Actually now counting Kyky it's 7 division 1 players over that time!
Find us a city per capita that is putting out Division 1 talent like Hopkinsville? Find a city in this state outside of Louisville that has had 3 NBA players over the last 25 years? Who was the last city/school in this state to produce a top 10 recruit?
Idk where this not playing any talent narrative comes from...but was it when he was playing in the King of the Bluegrass? Or was it when he led UHA to the Traditional Bank Classic Championship? Maybe him not playing good talent comes from all the games he played outside of Hopkinsville...because it seems the rest of the state isn't producing talent up to par with our city.
He's better than Scotty Hopson. Everyone said Anthony Hickey was too small and didn't play good competition...but he started 4 years of P5 basketball....and Kyky is on another stratosphere than Hickey. Kyky is better than Dom Hawkins was be a wide margin.
Now I don't know if he would've been a player Cal liked because he wasn't long and doesn't play multiple positions....but he will play and contribute at a high level at Xavier.
His offer sheet speaks for itself: Auburn, Florida, Iowa State, Clemson, Cincinatti, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Wichata State.....yeah he can play.
Here are the players he played against in his district the last 4-5 years that are currently playing Division 1 basketball. This is just kids Kyky played against in town during high school that are D1...I won't go in to the other kids at good JuCo's and D2 schools.
1.JaQualis Matlock: Plays for Eastern Illinois
2. Tyrik Edwards: Played for Jacksonville State before he transferred.
3. Tray Hollowell: Plays for top 20 Wofford
4. Jaylen Sebree: Plays for FAU, was averaging 10, 4, & 2 his freshman year this season before injury
5. Detorrian Ware: Plays for Jacksonville State
6. Jalen Johnson: Plays for Murray State
Over his High School tenure he played in a district that produced 6 division 1 players in a 4-5 year span!?!?! A city w/ only 3 schools. Actually now counting Kyky it's 7 division 1 players over that time!
Find us a city per capita that is putting out Division 1 talent like Hopkinsville? Find a city in this state outside of Louisville that has had 3 NBA players over the last 25 years? Who was the last city/school in this state to produce a top 10 recruit?
Idk where this not playing any talent narrative comes from...but was it when he was playing in the King of the Bluegrass? Or was it when he led UHA to the Traditional Bank Classic Championship? Maybe him not playing good talent comes from all the games he played outside of Hopkinsville...because it seems the rest of the state isn't producing talent up to par with our city.
He's better than Scotty Hopson. Everyone said Anthony Hickey was too small and didn't play good competition...but he started 4 years of P5 basketball....and Kyky is on another stratosphere than Hickey. Kyky is better than Dom Hawkins was be a wide margin.
Now I don't know if he would've been a player Cal liked because he wasn't long and doesn't play multiple positions....but he will play and contribute at a high level at Xavier.
His offer sheet speaks for itself: Auburn, Florida, Iowa State, Clemson, Cincinatti, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Wichata State.....yeah he can play.
They were saying ahead of time that he wasn't a bench player/multiple year player.
He's not in the same build as guys like Wall, Fox, Monk, Booker, Murray, etc. He'd probably be here 3-4 years. He'd probably be a guy that got minutes off the bench after a couple of years.
When they're not even here and saying they won't' accept that role, you're asking for trouble by bringing them here. If they're not happy at the thought of coming off the bench--they'll be ticked when they actually are
He's not in the same build as guys like Wall, Fox, Monk, Booker, Murray, etc. He'd probably be here 3-4 years. He'd probably be a guy that got minutes off the bench after a couple of years.
When they're not even here and saying they won't' accept that role, you're asking for trouble by bringing them here. If they're not happy at the thought of coming off the bench--they'll be ticked when they actually are
If you read my post...didn't say he should be going to UK. He's good enough to be on the roster...but I'd rather him go somewhere he could play. There are great players all over the country that couldn't play at UK...but it's different at UK....we have plenty of 5-star talent.
Length is the only reason he's not at UK and a 5-star. Skill and athletic ability are definitely on the level of a high level division 1 player.
I just wanted to put to rest that he's overrated because of a false statement he's not playing against good competition back home...that's a big ole negative. Recent Final 4 teams and #1 seeds and other good programs think he's good enough...just because it isn't UK doesn't mean he's not great.
And besides...Cal was going to offer him before his dad made that statement...so he was good enough....the Dad just ruined it.
Last edited:
Coached against Tandy twice this year...he is the real deal...however, he can't defend or shoot particularly well. However, his burst is different, he elevates on his jumper, and I think he will be a fine point guard at Xavier. He is capable of scoring in bunches, he hits one jumper, the next two are going in. He's much better than Goodin was coming out of high school. He has good vision, and the ability to facilitate, but in high school you want a kid like that to score. I think his biggest detractor is his height. Our point guard was a shade under 6' Tandy is an inch or so shorter. He's close to 5'9 or 5'10.
Between Tandy, Allen, and Johnson; this is the most talent to come out of Kentucky since 2008. Then you have guys like Moreno at Scott County, Rode at LCA, and Cozart at Madison Central. This class is loaded.
Between Tandy, Allen, and Johnson; this is the most talent to come out of Kentucky since 2008. Then you have guys like Moreno at Scott County, Rode at LCA, and Cozart at Madison Central. This class is loaded.
Tandy is not better than Hickey or Hopson. Facts. The plain truth is cal was on him hot and heavy. His dad started running his mouth, Cal figured out he had a parent coach in the stands, decided he would not be worth the headache. Nothing against Ky Ky, he is a good kid, but Cal does not play the parent dictating how much his son plays game. With NOBODY, so a decent guard from the state, he sure as hell was not going thru that.
Now, lets see Tandy out of the 2nd region and play against grown *** college guards that are just as quick as him, but a helluva lot stronger. Save the Hopkinsville produces this and that. I grew up in the 2nd region, played with Travis Ford and against a lot of good players. Played against Rex my sophomore year, well i rode the bench. tandy is good, but he is a three year player before he starts to really see great improvement.
Now, lets see Tandy out of the 2nd region and play against grown *** college guards that are just as quick as him, but a helluva lot stronger. Save the Hopkinsville produces this and that. I grew up in the 2nd region, played with Travis Ford and against a lot of good players. Played against Rex my sophomore year, well i rode the bench. tandy is good, but he is a three year player before he starts to really see great improvement.
He's not an elite recruit...which would be the issue with Pops thinking he is and saying the kid wont be willing to come off the bench
The 2nd region has been down the last 20 years outside of Hoptown and a few Henderson and Madisonville teams every so often. Hoptown has steady been putting out D1 players over the years...the RECENT years. If it wasn't for grades/behavior then you'd have a lot more.
There's an argument for Hopson...but Scotty himself says Kyky is a far more skilled player than he ever was...Scotty was just 6'8. Kyky is on another level than Anthony Hickey...I watched Hickey from Jr. Pro through High School....Kyky is on another level. Hickey had a D1 teammate....a lot of depth and a future Hall of Fame coach and won the state title...that's the only reason you think Hickey is better is the state title. The Tandy offer sheet vs. the Hickey offer sheet is proof in the pudding...Calipari watched Tandy play...Cal didn't see Hickey until he played at LSU.
Kyky just lost in the region title to a team with 2 D1 commits and another D1 recruit on their roster in Madisonville...still dropped 32 points. Kyky played on a team that would've had a losing record without him.
What would be a travesty is clearing the decks for a middle of the pack and undersized 4 star so he doesn't have to ride pine as he develops to placate his pappy.
What the hell does this situation have to do with signing top 5 talent? This kid is barely top 100 and we have signed higher ranked players than this one by far already.
This is a bench player at this level, if he and his family don't like it (and they don't) they can find a mid major (and they did) that can fill the bill.
Does Baker start? Should Baker start? What's the difference because they came out almost the exact same rank?
If he is good as pops thinks he'd not care about who else is staying or signed because he would beat them out just like Shai did but they know better and want a path cleared so I say good luck in your future endeavours.
Kentucky players In recent history dont seem to get the respect they deserve from the UK staffs. I understand his dad feeling the way he felt and even saying it. It's almost like sometimes it's like "well they are from this state they will he good role players."
A Ky kid who would be solid as heck in his 3rd and 4th year ? ( maybe sooner) Who wants to wait on that trash ... we roll with one and dones .. just how we do it . For better or worse .
Pisses me off a Ky kid willing to come here , good enough to get the offers he got offers from , and doesn't get offer . Kid should be in Lex next year , and I think Cal can handle a parent , the parent thing seems like a excuse not to take him. Not because he wasn't good enough
There is truth to that...
We def needed Hawkins at times over his 4 years....he was a freshman in the tournament and provided the defense we needed....came in and knocked down the 3's we needed to beat the Cards in 2015...and his senior year he was always a reliable option when healthy.
Willis really helped us his last 2 years when our highly rated big men didn't turn out the way we thought they would....
Miller/Liggins/Harrelson weren't Cal guys...but was good enough to compete for minutes. We didn't have the best wing recruits in 2009-2011...and they stepped up huge for us. Kanter was ineligible? Josh was right there ready to fill in with 4 years of training.
When you get 5 stars? Sometimes they turn out to be ready day one and MKG could move Darius into a great 6-man...other times they may be ineligible and you need Jorts to come right in and play big minute....they may be a bust like Skal and Willis is ready to produce.
The in-state guys who are high 3 and average 4-stars are important because they dream of playing in state...they know they aren't John Wall and will fight hard for minutes. They'll battle the best of the best and be ready when called upon. We need those guys.
Hoptown defined what I meant , I didnt go into that kinda detail but its a strong argument why we need guys like him. No I don't think we have to have a Ky kid on the roster , not at all, but if one is good enough and can fill a role , give the kid a scholarship .
I dont know if it's that he doesn't like parents being in the recruiting process cause that's something that goes hand in hand. I've never been on a recruiting trip with Cal but I would assume that he recruits the parents as well as the player. That's only logical considering most kids will include their parents with their decision. I just don't think Cal likes the type of parent that want to put conditions on a recruitment. I doubt he listens to parents who want guarantees. Seems like he puts a stop on recruiting a kid for various reasons but I'd bet parents wanting guarantees is near the top of the list. You don't publically make comments about what your kid is going to do or not do and think Cal abide by your demands. He just says.......NEXT.
Yes.......IF
IF they are willing to fill that role. Obviously, Kyky was not willing to be that player. It definitely is an asset to have those types of players. We are not always going to get every player we want and we aren't always going to a 5☆ stud at every position. I think those roles are vital to a championship team. We need the Darius Millers to win a championship. Im not for just giving a kid a scholly JUST because he is from KY but Im totally for giving a scholly to a kid like that who has always dreamed of playing at Rupp and will fill a crucial role in the future.
I get the vibe the dad wanted the bigger role and kyKy was good with going to Ky and seeing how it played out , water under the bridge , just wish it would have turned out different for all involved . Go Cats , hope I can stay awake tonight.
I can attest that Kyky wanted UK and his dad is an independent thinker....his mom makes the decisions. Kyky is a good kid and his parents did everything they could to make sure he had the best education and training.
He wanted Kentucky...he would've practiced hard and fought for every minute. His dad isn't Lavar Ball...he's just a guy that a reporter got a hold of and he made the wrong comment at the wrong time...and it cost his son his dream.
That sucks actually if true. If he was willing to fill that role then I would've loved to have had him. I'm not an expert on KyKy by any means but if Dom Hawkins can fill that role then I think KyKy could've as well, IF he was willing to do so. That sucks that his dad ruined that for him. He or KyKy himself should've called Cal and spoken with him if that was the case. Hate to see a kid lose out on his dreams because of a dumb comment. Sad!
And I don't think Kyky understood the ramifications of his dad's comments. Kyky NEVER made comments like that...very humble. He genuinely thought Cal would separate his father from his own personal conduct. He really is hurt that Kentucky didn't offer.
And because Kyky wasn't an important recruit in the grand scheme of things...I think Cal just moved on after the comments and got Allen.
That's a tough situation. Wished things could've worked out, really seems like a good kid.
UK staffs would be correct and the whole world agrees which is why these kids either take 3-4 years to contribute or go to cellar dwellers and mid majors and most aren't that amazing at those stops either.
The talent level in the state is weak which even hurts the rare superior talent unless they get away from here where steel can sharpen steel to the point they are nowhere near ready to contribute at the high and elite tier of D1 and most of those aren't actually top shelf either they just play a lot of slow, smaller kids and stand out.
At Kentucky a mid range 4 is probably a bench player. Not necessarily if you can play you will play.
Baker ranked just about the same as KyKy, is taller, plays D, and was a much better shooter coming out of high school probably against better competition.
Should he be annointed from on high to take over the team for...reasons? Of course not.
Further, if Kyky wasn't from here no one would ever speak of this kid and most howling would not only have no interest but be wondering what the hell is going on that we would be offering such a player particularly if he was just being cleared a path to being a main contributor or a starter for about no reason.
If you are the best guy you will play here. Pappy wants him to be the best by default, he can try to do do that at Xavier or wherever. Not here and rightly so in my opinion.
Got 5 stars Quickley and Green back for year 2. Cool, still bringing in Hagans. Start both? Nope, got a 4 star shooting guard that has the spot locked down because it is what it is.
I'm completely unclear what else one would want to be the case. If it doesn't work for some kids that is perfectly understandable and such is life but I'd rather let them find their green pasture than make ours what they would like.
If you that man you gonna be that man no matter which peckerwood pops his head up but instead crying for roster armor?
I already know you don't believe your own hype and yeah hard pass due to skert/legend in own mind and don't even believe it yourself.
If pops thought he was going to surprise and put Quickley and Maxey on the bench there would be no story other proud pappa looks like the cat that at the canary as son signs offer to Kentucky.
