Four star athlete/DB, committed to state, flipped to alabama late in the process, enrolled at Alabama in may. Now at emcc. This happens every year and will no doubt continue to happen. These kids need someone/anyone to give them good advice.
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Sholl does. They never learn.
Although I don't get on them too hard about Bama, I mean, they have a pretty high chance to win a title if they sign there, as long as Saban is coach. And I get it if you're a 5 star who knows they dominate and knows they will play, but there's just not that many of them.
But the rest of the bunch would do just as well at State or Ole Miss.
Although I don't get on them too hard about Bama, I mean, they have a pretty high chance to win a title if they sign there, as long as Saban is coach. And I get it if you're a 5 star who knows they dominate and knows they will play, but there's just not that many of them.
But the rest of the bunch would do just as well at State or Ole Miss.
Just need to lower the scholarship limit from 85 to 70-75. That would prevent Bama doing this more than anything
I know this is captain obvious here, but neither program is ever going to reach its full potential if we keep losing 40% or more of our blue chip recruits out of state. I get it with Alabama, too. But they aren’t the only school coming in here and winning battles. Hopefully Leach and Kiffin will start eliminating that. Because as much as I enjoy y’all losing, I enjoy seeing Mississippi kids succeed and that success run through Mississippi, just as much.
70 sounds about right. And give the 15 dropped ones to baseball. It'll never happen though. Sigh.
Freeze and Mullen locked it down as much as anybody ever has, and it made a difference. Hopefully we will start getting a lot of these guys back via the transfer portal.
And yes I'm talking about guys going to Auburn, LSU and Georgia. And even that DT to aTm. I mean yeah the chances are higher but they likely won't win a championship going to those places.
You’re right, it’s not just Alabama. I mentioned this in another thread the other day, but 4 of the top 5 MS prospects are likely headed out of state, and both OM and MSU are fighting like hell to just land 3 of the top 10.
Hadad and Faulk were just talking yesterday about when you go into LA and recruit a solid player, you have to live with the fact that LSU can and oftentimes will swoop in and get them at the last minute. However, when you’re dealing with that on one end and also the same LSUs, Bamas, and UGAs of the world poaching MS’s top talent, seriously… what in the world are you supposed to do? I don’t know what the answer is for out of state talent, but Leach and Kiffin simply have to kill the poaching. Get that NIL $$$ ready
Hadad and Faulk were just talking yesterday about when you go into LA and recruit a solid player, you have to live with the fact that LSU can and oftentimes will swoop in and get them at the last minute. However, when you’re dealing with that on one end and also the same LSUs, Bamas, and UGAs of the world poaching MS’s top talent, seriously… what in the world are you supposed to do? I don’t know what the answer is for out of state talent, but Leach and Kiffin simply have to kill the poaching. Get that NIL $$$ ready
Yep, so many more scholarships than are needed right now that a school like Bama just signs up as many highly rated elite players as they can and essentially has 'tryouts' after they arrive. The ones that don't live up to their recruiting hype are sent out through the transfer portal. Bama suffers nothing when they give a scholarship to a player they have misevaluated. They just ship them out and move on to the next 5 star or high 4 star recruit.
The real question is can he dunk ? And how do we get him back playing for the good guys ? Wonder if he just couldn't play or grades or what ?
If football scholarships were lowered by 15, it’s not like they’d disappear. Just redistributed to other sports. That argument is silly.
Ever opportunity “lost” in football would be an opportunity gained in baseball, track, tennis, or other men’s sports. Zero net change overall, and it brings some desperately needed parody to each college AD’s biggest moneymaker.
Ever opportunity “lost” in football would be an opportunity gained in baseball, track, tennis, or other men’s sports. Zero net change overall, and it brings some desperately needed parody to each college AD’s biggest moneymaker.
These things are all layered. LSU being the only P5 program in their state, a state that’s 50% more populated (4.6 million to our roughly 3.0). And that’s before even considering demographics.. so, if MS produces 20 legit SEC talents a year, Louisiana is producing around 30. Plus, they get almost all the big money support within the state which = resources. They aren’t fighting against an Ole Miss or MSU in-state, which = easier talent acquisition, from a deeper pool of talent. That talent translates to wins, and wins translate to more interest from talented prospects. And it just snowballs. The fact they are allowing that walking imbecile that is Ed Orgeron run that elite program is hilarious to me. But it’s helpful to us, as well.
I contend that if we just had one combined MS school between Ole Miss and MSU, we’d have won multiple national championships. It’s amazing that we both manage to be competitive as often as we do. We live and play in the land of giants.
sucks for damn near the entire baseball team that has to pay their way. There is no reason to have 85 people on scholarship in football. I mean if the point is to just give as many people a scholarship as possible just put it back to unlimited and give everyone in the country you want a scholarship. Or, we can try and actually make the sport competitive. The athletes want to be treated like professionals and be able to make money. Ok. I’m fine with that. Let’s turn it professional then. The nfl has a salary cap. The nfl has a roster limit. Let’s do all of that to promote parity. This is a business not a charity. The Supreme Court has proven that.
It isn’t a zero net change in the color of the person’s skin that would be receiving that scholarship. That is what makes them angry and why no one will touch this subject at the higher levels with a ten foot pole.
The only players that would lose out are at the Div II or Div III level. The bottom fifteen that would have gone to a P5 school would now go G5, and the bottom fifteen that would have gone G5 would now have scholarships at the FCS level, and the bottom 15 at FCS would slide down to Div II and so forth and so on. Just because a guy doesn't get a scholarship offer from an SEC or P5 school, it doesn't mean they have 'lost out' on an opportunity. AND, if those guys go to a lower level and show out, they can now hit the transfer portal and immediately move back up to a higher level of college football without any worries of sitting out.
Scholarship limits are meaningless now with NIL. Do you think a million dollar QB gives a damn? He will just pay his own tuition.
And as has been explained many times, it would be a trickle down effect for the college football world. In other words, the 15 that get cut from Bama likely end up at MSU, Ark, etc. The group that gets cut from MSU ends up at Memphis, Troy, and TCU. And on down the line it goes.
At the end of the day, let’s be honest with ourselves. The only kids truly being cut out of football likely have little business playing at the collegiate level anyway. It does suck for them, but like you said, this ain’t a charity
At the end of the day, let’s be honest with ourselves. The only kids truly being cut out of football likely have little business playing at the collegiate level anyway. It does suck for them, but like you said, this ain’t a charity
It wouldn't be a trickle down effect unless you increased the scholarships at the lower levels. Otherwise, all the players who take the "trickle down" scholarships would be doing is taking those away from another player. Of course you'd never do that because if you did the FCS schools would have as many scholarships as the FBS schools do (they've got to go back to I-A and I-AA since there is a playoff at the top level now). But again, so what. This ain't a charity.
Recruited players have to be on scholarship. A 5 star QB can't be a walk-on. There are rules against that
You would probably get greater minority participation in baseball over time if more scholarships were available. Notice Vandy has a lot of minority players because they are able to offer more aid.
There are also a ton of minority track athletes who would love to get more aid.
Dead on. Full scholarships are still worth a crap ton of money. Just ask folks paying for college tuition that don't get one.
Correct. It'll only effect the worst 1,950 college football players in America. D2 already has limited scholarships & D3 doesn't offer athletic scholarships.
So only the worst 1,950 players in all of college football will suffer. Divide that by 5 & it's 390 less kids per year that will receive a football scholarship.
Except they wouldn't lose out, they'd be in different uniforms. The people who'd lose out are the fringe players at the lower tier g-5 schools. Not to get all Reagan on you, but it's trickle down. Those 15 guys that Bama can't sign aren't going to be headed to work in a factory. They'll sign with the States and Ole Misses of the world. And the 15 guys that we can't sign will be at the USM and La Techs. Eventually you're talking about 15 guys on Millsaps' roster. Does it suck for them? I guess so, yeah. But I'm not super worried about that.
And that doesn't even figure in that we'd take those 15 scholarships and apply them to other sports. So kids that are losing out now would be getting in.
This is a great point & one I've never considered. Would absolutely help HBCUs
I could actually see a scenario where it helps HBCUs so much that they become the preferred destinations over a number of G5. Could totally see Jackson State & Southern recruiting better than USM, La Tech, etc
It would definitely allow more minorities go play in college immediately, and after four or five years, probably result in a more minorities sticking over time, ensure more minorities stick with baseball, but aside from the fact that it wouldn't be spun that way, baseball will continue to be a sport where the ability to afford travel ball and coaching at a relatively early age will matter. That's not going to make up for athletic ability and the best athletes will still be able to pick up baseball later and still surpass people that aren't as athletically gifted, but it will definitely matter along the margins.