Just be totally honest....

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lol I would take a worse seed probably......dunno if I'd take an 8 tho........i mean that's beating a 1 seed just to get to Louisville
 

HagginHall1999

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Wow. Interesting concept. Where do you get your self-worth from?
Really don't have any expectations. Just watching the games and hoping they win.

This is an excellent point. IMO, the problem here is "expectations". As a fan, I think you've got two ways of rooting/thinking about a team.

1. Heart
2. Head

In my heart, I think UK will win every game. I cannot think of a game I watched going into it thinking Cats are gonna lose.

In my head, of course there are games I think Cats are in for a fight and may lose.

Watching them play and talent on the floor, if they are playing to potential in March which my head says they will, this team can win title. Leading up to tourney they'll probably lose some more road games and maybe drop one at home, who knows.

However, I have zero expectations....silly to have them with two ways of thinking. My life doesn't stop when UK loses...it is what it is.

I trust in the process Cal has and feel like more times than not his teams are better at EOY.
 
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Jeff4h5

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What’s wrong with this team. It’s little better than average. For those of you that think it’s a final four team I don’t. Hope you prove me wrong. Herro is a three four year player. Good at a lot. Not a great shot I hope Quickly starts by the end of the year. You don’t rebuild a player like Travis in a year. He was a bull. If he doesn’t play like that he’s average to. Also hope I’m wrong about that. If I have a problem with Cal it’s trying to turn players into something they aren’t like Skal The announcers built us up at at first of the year and they were wrong For you guys wantinh multi year players you should be tickeled to death thus year. I don’t see one first round player including PJ and Johnson hope I’m wrong They just are what they are a 15-20 team
 

ubtrapper_rivals103836

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If this team isn't a final four team, then what's the point of doing this?

seriously - we have the benefit of seeing it mid season so everyone has adjusted their expectations to match the product on the floor

but go back to when this team was assembled - even with Duke landing the wunderkinds, this team had everything we were supposed to have - a veteran stud, returning players , depth at the point, good shooters

and now mid season we're talking about happy with an elite 8 - just beat Kansas? only losing 6 in the SEC?

What is not being said is, if this team isn't a final four team, what team can Cal put together that is?
Agreed! This team has what it takes to win it all other than experience and Travis should help with that.

The biggest problem in my opinion is Cal. We have enough talent, size and shooters but I don't have much confidence in our coach. He did it in 12' but I believe about any coach could have got to the title with that team. We almost had a perfect season.

I honestly believe that if Cal will let these guys play to their strengths and not get in their heads, they will win it all. But that's a big if. He tries to hard to get these guys drafted at the cost of games and a championship by constantly trying to change the way each players plays.
 

JC CATS

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The point of doing what? Sorry, but that just sounds like such a juvenile and frankly stupid take. Cal and the team should quit because they might not make the FF? We should quit watching? You are free to do so and to stop posting if you want.
This times 1000 that guy is the worst and he likes to call others out for telling people what to do
 

TankedCat

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The point of doing what? Sorry, but that just sounds like such a juvenile and frankly stupid take. Cal and the team should quit because they might not make the FF? We should quit watching? You are free to do so and to stop posting if you want.

so you don't know what I'm talking about but you go ahead and respond....wrong...with your own stupid take.

has that approach been working for you on the internet? I can't imagine you've been very successful with this in the past.
 
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Kentuckiddy

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And this is all that matters in life. Self worth does not come from being a Kentucky basketball fan. You have your head on straight and your family is very fortunate that you do. God bless you.

Totally agree. Way too many dudes on this board have priorities waaaaaay outta whack. I love my life way too much to sit in front of a screen and be mad over a game, comment or a stranger trying to burn me. Lol.
 
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Totally agree. Way too many dudes on this board have priorities waaaaaay outta whack. I love my life way too much to sit in front of a screen and be mad over a game, comment or a stranger trying to burn me. Lol.

Don’t make sense reading this from you after seeing how many posts you had contradicting it this weekend.
 
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Don’t make sense reading this from you after seeing how many posts you had contradicting it this weekend.

Trust me brother. I really only care about a few things. Not one of them has anything to do with what I read on here. After a win or loss, I move on immediately. It’s a game. Period.
 

ManitouDan_anon

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Split with UT , def beat Kansas now that their aircraft carrier is out , Make the SECT final .. and if I could take 12-6 in the SEC today I'd take it . Without pause . Of course its hard to say " I'd be happy with a EE " not if lose to some unranked , much lower talented squad again. We lose to a higher seed in the EE , like a 1 or 2 and you cant complain . You loose at any point to a team seed 4-5-6 below you no one is going to be happy . Hard to answer what would please me in the tourney until you see seeding . I know I sure dont want any 4 game losing streaks .
 

TNCatfanforever

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....with yourself for a moment. What would it take for you to consider this a successful season?

Considering that there are 31 regular season games. Potentially 4, but more likely 3 SEC tournament games. And, of course potentially 6 NCAA Tournament games. (With the play in game, technically there are 7 potential tournament games, but that is a remote possibility)

Here’s what I’m thinking would satisfy me:

Beat Kansas. This is very important to me. You can say whatever you like, but for me personally, beating the Jayhawks in Rupp is a huge deal. Beating Kansas would mean that we will have gone 3-1 against the likes of Duke, UNC, Louisville, and the Jayhawks. That’s satisfying to me.

Also, finishing AT LEAST 12-6 in conference play would satisfy me, considering how tough the league is.

Lastly, getting to at least the Elite Eight would be a big deal.

Anything less than these three things happening, I will consider this season subpar.
I agree 100%. Elite 8 is solid. Please don’t lose 10 games
 

Madcat62_rivals113839

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Well, JohnnyBomb, this team my still win it all.

I think this team will look great in some games, and not so great in others. It just depends how they continue to come together.

To me, there’s two very glaring problems with this team.
We are definitely lacking both a Superstar and a rim protector.

We have a lot of really good players. I just don’t know that we have enough great players. The verdict is still out on this. Maybe KJ could be. Perhaps TH is a possibility. PJ? maybe?

By the way, was it me, or did it seem like PJ just really wasn’t into it against Alabama?
I just don't think PJ has the motor to be the star on a nightly basis may also keep him from sticking in the nba
 

wkucat88

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The OP's scenario is most likely at this point, assuming we do beat KU. Unless the team comes together, though, the Conference schedule could turn out much worse than 6 losses.
 

senonesy

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Yes, this team can get to the FF. But whether they do, or not is completely up to them. Cal can't coach heart, and we can't give it to them, either. Just my 2 cents, but I dont think they have it in them.

KJ, and Travis are the only 2 playing with the fire.
Hagans?
 

AllBall

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Next season we won't have a rim protector either. Nic Richards will be back but he's an enigma. I understand he was late to the game of basketball but he lacks instinct or something between the ears. I simply don't understand how someone of his stature and athleticism isn't a proficient shot blocker.
 

Kentuckiddy

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Next season we won't have a rim protector either. Nic Richards will be back but he's an enigma. I understand he was late to the game of basketball but he lacks instinct or something between the ears. I simply don't understand how someone of his stature and athleticism isn't a proficient shot blocker.

Timing. Ant Davis had incredible timing to get many of his blocks. NR is just a bit slow to react I think.
 

new era cat

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I'm hoping the boosters have a higher threshold than what we realistically expect at this point.
What we say doesn't really matter.
 
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What’s wrong with this team. It’s little better than average. For those of you that think it’s a final four team I don’t. Hope you prove me wrong. Herro is a three four year player. Good at a lot. Not a great shot I hope Quickly starts by the end of the year. You don’t rebuild a player like Travis in a year. He was a bull. If he doesn’t play like that he’s average to. Also hope I’m wrong about that. If I have a problem with Cal it’s trying to turn players into something they aren’t like Skal The announcers built us up at at first of the year and they were wrong For you guys wantinh multi year players you should be tickeled to death thus year. I don’t see one first round player including PJ and Johnson hope I’m wrong They just are what they are a 15-20 team

Too early to give up. One hell of a team a few years ago started 10-2 and lost to U6 and went on to finish 32-6. They made it to the Elite 8 only to get screwed by the refs as UNCheat beat them on a last second shot. Fox and Co.. It worked out all right. I still think these guys have a lot more left and we haven't seen their best game, not even close.

Take care of these next 2 games and then you have a tough 3 game stretch. Go 2-1 and we are right there at 14-4. We do need to do that though, but no reason we can't beat Miss St and KU (Especially without Doke) at home. We beat AUB and we really have a chance to do something special. We lost to SH then beat UNC and U6. Maybe this Bama loss wakes them up and we beat AUB, Miss ST and KU. We do and everyone will be back on board at 15-3. Lot of ifs, but I feel really good about 4 of the 5.
 
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This is the only barometer I need right now: Carolina is a potential Final Four team and very experienced. They dominated them from tip to buzzer. And here is the important part; it was on a neutral court. This team has the potential to play in the Final Four and beyond. They will take losses in the SEC. They will be inconsistent. Maybe a couple beat downs on the road. People will freak out on this board like they always do after a loss, but this team has top five talent and will be in the mix at the end of the year. This team is 5 points away from being 12-1. The sky is not falling

Gotta disagree UNC is a potential FF team. Weak in the paint. Frosh PG. depend on the 3 ball and that's always risky. Roy's best teams have always been paint dominant.

Cats will play hard in the tourney. Draw will be everything.
 
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jameslee32

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Merely successful: Roughly a 24-7 regular season or SEC Championship or Sweet 16.
Great by UK standards: Final Four or better.
 

KyFaninNC

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Still gotta have better coaching.
Yesterday belonged to Avery.
Dare Travis and Washington to score inside against his shotblocker Hall while extending the defense against Herro and Johnson.
Worked pretty well.
Cal had a week to prepare.
What did we take away from them.
KState all over again. They played exactly the way they wanted.
Only went to ball pressure out of desperation.
Not blaming that game on Cal. The team played badly. That happens. I think Cal could have started the press sooner, but he didn’t
 

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I’m with you.

Now, for that to happen, we’re probably going to need to catch a break or two. Most notably is staying out of Duke’s region.

If I were a betting man I’d say we won’t end up in their region. Not unless it becomes the consensus that we’re a bad team or matchup. Duke never gets dangerous teams in their region.
 

ABlockalypseBrow

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Also, OP is pretty spot on for me, plus a couple caveats:

NCAA tournament E8 is okay if no blue bloods win the title or our FF rivals don’t make the final four. Given Duke’s ability this season, that seems unlikely, so probably less than FF for me is a loss. Also depends on who and how we lose our last game.

Didn’t mention SEC tourney, probably fair because we have so many at this point lol. Still nice to win, but since we play on Sunday it’s largely irrelevant.
 
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Well, JohnnyBomb, this team my still win it all.

I think this team will look great in some games, and not so great in others. It just depends how they continue to come together.

To me, there’s two very glaring problems with this team.
We are definitely lacking both a Superstar and a rim protector.

We have a lot of really good players. I just don’t know that we have enough great players. The verdict is still out on this. Maybe KJ could be. Perhaps TH is a possibility. PJ? maybe?

By the way, was it me, or did it seem like PJ just really wasn’t into it against Alabama?

Agree that this team can win the title this year but the only way it’s going to happen is with 2 things:
1) Tyler must continue to improve and get his 3-pt shooting to around 40% or better, and
2) Nick or EJ must make a significant jump to be a strong and consistent inside defender & rebounder
 

kevcat

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Agree that this team can win the title this year but the only way it’s going to happen is with 2 things:
1) Tyler must continue to improve and get his 3-pt shooting to around 40% or better, and
2) Nick or EJ must make a significant jump to be a strong and consistent inside defender & rebounder
Yeah, I agree.

I do think Tyler is improving his three point shot. I believe he’s 9-20 in the last three games shooting 3’s.
That’s 45%. He does everything else well, so I’m not concerned about him at all.

PJ can be dominating at times. I was extremely surprised to see him play so passively (I’m being kind with this term) against Alabama.

Nick? Well, Nick had 4 plays Saturday where he had the ball bounce out of his hands. He’s a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re going to get.

I think Cal should have this team running, pressing, and forcing temp as much as possible. Why he’s not doing this is exasperating.

Cal has become an enigma to me. His stubbornness is his Achilles Heel. He’s done great things here, but there’s no doubt in my mind that he could do even better if he wasn’t so hard headed and arrogant.
 
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Beat Kansas
Run the rest of the table
Beat duke like a drum in the finals
Hang number 9

Success
 

Runt#1969

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This is a really good thread and I like everyone being honest with their feelings on the matter. For me to consider this a successful season, I would agree that beating Kansas and finishing with no worse than a 12-6 conference record is acceptable. I'd like to see us win the SECT, but don't think that will happen, and I don't think it important in the overall assessment of the seasons' success.

Looking at how it most likely appears now, and knowing how the NCAAT SC always loves to hand us the vaseline jar at announcement time, the NCAAT should be the final judge, as it should be.

An elite eight and the above would be perfectly acceptable for me. Anything less than an elite eight appearance, and I think once again, Cal has underachieved with what he brought together.

But I still cannot, simply CANNOT shake this feeling like the team will turn the corner and truly show everyone the elite team they CAN BE. I thought right after the Bama' game that this season is shaping up like the 11' season.... lots of close losses, one or two points on the road in the SEC, then get hot and blow the doors off everyone and SHOCK some people along the way in the NCAAT, making a Final Four.

I would be very proud of the team if it can put it all together and deliver a Final Four. I'd be willing to slack up on the other requirements if they simply do that, but I don't see a FF happening if they can't make good on the rest of it.

I have an optimistic outlook on this team, and think they can get us there in the end. Just rally the wagon, tighten the laces, and get to work. We can do this.

Go Big Blue!