Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't LeBron fail to win a title the first 6 times he was in the playoffs? And I am pretty sure every player you would deem better than Wall has at one or another in a big game dribble the ball off their foot and shot some airballs.
John Wall is a Choker
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Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't LeBron fail to win a title the first 6 times he was in the playoffs? And I am pretty sure every player you would deem better than Wall has at one or another in a big game dribble the ball off their foot and shot some airballs.
Your clips show him balling out in games that don't matter. Again, he hit a game winner against Miami when he was here. Did that shot prove him a prime time player? Did that shot matter more than dribbling off his foot in the NC state championship or missing 12 shots in a row with 5 TOs against WVA in the NCAAs? Do those regular season clips matter more than his 2 airballs, game winner attempt brick, or letting his team squash a 7 point lead in 2 minutes tonight?
It's not whining, I am just saying the guy hasn't, and (I believe) will never win when it matters.
Not talking about titles, those are super hard and it's not fair to judge a player by.
I'm talking about performance at prime time, something he has not done well, ever
So, winning playoff games also doesn't meet your criteria? Good Lord, pretty much everyone but the top 10 players in history would be chokers according to your rigid standards.
He's 16-13 in playoff games so far, winning the first round each of the 3 times they made the playoffs. James was 19-10 in his first 29 playoff games.
Wonder what the OP would have to say if the wizards come back to win the series (which is far from over)
i think you miss the point by a mile. or maybe by a kilometer, you seem a little french to me.
in a 100-99 win, which point was the most important? a bucket in the middle or the winning shot? HINT: all of them. Wizards don't sniff the playoffs without Wall. Let's cut the guy some slack.
With that said, Celtics are insanely coached. Stevens has gotten the beyond the best out of an outmatched squad and Isaiah Thomas deserves a championship based on heart alone. I'm rooting for him to win one this year as an underdog, and I don't even like the Celtics.
Again, overall record belies the point I'm making. It's his performance at clutch time in big games. Winning playoff series is good, obviously, but games like tonight, where he airballs and bricks the big shots at the end will define his career FAR beyond beating a lower seeded team in the first round will.
Would be thrilled, I will cheer the former U.K. Kids winning at every turn. The Wiz just better not need JW to hit a big shot to get em there
On balance all points are equal, but you cannot argue that, from an athletes perspective, hitting a shot when the game is 0-0 is the exact same as hitting a shot when it's 100-99. That's crazy. Tons of players in history can fill it up at all stages of the game until the final 5-10 minutes when it's close. Does that really seem French to you?
More of the same. Only the tiny parameters where he messes up count, so you can claim he chokes. When he performs well in other clutch situations, it doesn't count. Your arguments are weak as hell. Again, James didn't win a title the first SIX times he made the playoffs. And he is the best player in the history of the sport. Why don't you get off Wall's *** already?
You're wasting your breath. I showed clips of him delivering in crunch time, but that doesn't count, because it wasn't in a game big enough for this guy. Easy to win the argument when only the data that supports your side is allowed in as evidence.
Rondo, but he wasn't the Celtics' best player. I think Kidd won one with the Mavs a few years ago. Not sure how you are asking the question. In any event, the OP's take is horrendous. Wow.
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Well Patrick Ewing is one of the biggest chokers of all time.
Lil 4 foot Isiah Thomas is better than Wall.
Now that hurts bad. I can't believe I typed it, but it's the honest truth.
That's not fair either. He closed Atlanta, and has consistently done it against Boston, by breaking down the D, and hitting the *open* 12 footer. Consistently. In the flow of the offense.
Again, Kelly oubre hit the biggest shot last night because wizards simply ran offense and made 3 or 4 passes.
If John actually ran a play in those last 14 seconds, he had a better chance of finding an open shot for himself or a teammate. Instead, he panicked, choked, lost consciousness, became selfish, maybe his stupid coach told him to do it, idk, whatever you wanna call it - he just stood there dribbled the clock out and took a bad, highly contested shot.
If John actually ran a play in those last 14 seconds, he had a better chance of finding an open shot for himself or a teammate. Instead, he panicked, choked, lost consciousness, became selfish, maybe his stupid coach told him to do it, idk, whatever you wanna call it - he just stood there dribbled the clock out and took a bad, highly contested shot.
I want to choke with 40 points/13 assist performances in the NBA playoffs.
By the way, you might want to check in on Bradley Beal. He was miserable last night and was the real reason Washington couldn't get over the top.
The fact that you want to engage in a debate of this nature is really sad. I feel sorry for you.
It's pretty simple. If you're pass first you have to have someone to PASS IT TO. Wall is fine, Washington is not.
This thread says a lot about why there are times the larger quantity of posts that you have on a message board DOES NOT show how smart you are or how much and individual knows!
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- Does JW owe this guy $$$?
- Or did he lose his rent $$$ on this game?
- Or steal his job?
- Or steal his girlfriend?
- Or plow his mom?
- Or just doesn't know a lot about much of anything?
- A 4.31% "LIKE" rate tends to prove #6.
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I agree. A good like-to-post ratio is very important.
Curious, do you always bring up irrelevant posts in arguments?
Look, Wall has made great strides in the NBA; however, he choked last night. He had the ball, tie ball game with 14 seconds left and instead of attacking he shoots a fade away that damn near misses everything. And, he was one of the prime culprits in our loss WVA.
Great player, but he doesn't always make the smartest plays.
So you're saying a fade away 15 footer is the "right play"? Lebron has been criticized for making the right play, Wall is being criticized for not making the right play.
Of the hundreds and hundreds of games he's played, you pick a few games where he doesn't do well, and you call him a choker? How ridiculous. I'm betting you never played beyond grade school in your life You're a total idiot.
John Wall, the choker, made a game winner at the buzzer in his first game ever at UK -
He missed a decent shot that could have won the game. Then Beal missed one too.
There was nothing wrong with the shot. Wall wasn't going to get to the rim with the way Boston was playing defense, and he wasn't going to get a call at that point in the game.
It wasn't a great shot, but it was adequate. You would probably rather have a shot for Beal, but Beal was struggling, and the bumping and grabbing Boston D was making it tough for Beal to get looks.
Beal's look off the rebound was one of the cleanest looks he got all night.
Calling John Wall a choker is ludicrous. He comes up big in big games all the time. Most recently when he scored 42, on the road, to close out the Hawks in round one.
But I guess that wasn't a big game since the original poster doesn't think so.
There was nothing wrong with the shot. Wall wasn't going to get to the rim with the way Boston was playing defense, and he wasn't going to get a call at that point in the game.
It wasn't a great shot, but it was adequate. You would probably rather have a shot for Beal, but Beal was struggling, and the bumping and grabbing Boston D was making it tough for Beal to get looks.
Beal's look off the rebound was one of the cleanest looks he got all night.
Calling John Wall a choker is ludicrous. He comes up big in big games all the time. Most recently when he scored 42, on the road, to close out the Hawks in round one.
But I guess that wasn't a big game since the original poster doesn't think so.
Okay, but just a few posts back, you said he was 0-15 from three point range. Which is it? 1-5 is a LOOOONG ways from 0-15.
John Wall is 1 of the top 2-3 PG in the league an has a chance to really takeover the top spot if he keeps improving. His supporting cast is really not that good. Would love to see him on a better team.
Last night's officiating was quite questionable, to say the least. I find it funny the OP mentioned when Wall had it stolen by Bradley, which led to a dunk, as an example of him choking. The slow-motion replay of that immediately after showed Bradley literally fouling Wall three times in the process of "stealing" the ball. That play was a bit representative of how the officiating went the entire night.
Yep. Great player ... but you rely on him to hit a shot at your own peril. He's basically a poor man's Jason Kidd.
And that ain't bad.
Hey OP, just when I think you couldn't be any dumber you go and do something like this....AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!!
I'm pretty sure I just watched John Wall score like 18 straight points in the 4th quarter on the road of game 6 to close out the Hawks. Maybe I imagined that.
Dude is averaging 30 points, 11 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 steals, and a block in the playoffs. And he's doing that while shooting 51% overall from the floor, 38% from 3, and 81% from the line.
But yeah, he's a choker because he missed a fade away 17 footer after dropping 40. Nevermind the fact he came up with a game saving block on a layup attempt 20 seconds earlier. He should have passed it to Beal who was 1 of 9 from three last night. Oh, that's right Beal short armed a wide open 13 foot jump shot with 2 seconds left too.
Horrible take.
Dude is averaging 30 points, 11 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 steals, and a block in the playoffs. And he's doing that while shooting 51% overall from the floor, 38% from 3, and 81% from the line.
But yeah, he's a choker because he missed a fade away 17 footer after dropping 40. Nevermind the fact he came up with a game saving block on a layup attempt 20 seconds earlier. He should have passed it to Beal who was 1 of 9 from three last night. Oh, that's right Beal short armed a wide open 13 foot jump shot with 2 seconds left too.
Horrible take.
Didn't say he didn't choke LAST night, the OP said he always chokes and could never win a championship. I think that opinion is stupid and if you don't like my posts please put me on ignore because I will post what I think is wrong.