Being ugly because I'm referencing facts? The dude dribbled off his foot in HS, missed every shot in the NCAAT, and now air balls in prime time in the NBA playoffs.
Am I taking crazy pills?
John Wall is a Choker
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Being ugly because I'm referencing facts? The dude dribbled off his foot in HS, missed every shot in the NCAAT, and now air balls in prime time in the NBA playoffs.
Am I taking crazy pills?
Chris Paul is another star stiffer that ain't winning nothing...and Wall is way better than him, obviously, and he also doesn't stay injured...just pointing that out bc I can't stand cp3, he's always been highly overrated.
Absolutely. Lots of people do. I don't wanna say this, and make it go 32 pages, but Cal does this. He slows it down, stops running plays and settles for the contested 20 footer. But this is a popular trend. Idk why, but it's what a lot of teams and players do how. It's very stupid. I don't understand the reasoning at all.
Hell, kelly damn oubre hit a ***huge*** shot down the stretch bc why? They swung the ball around, attacked the weak spot, and kicked out to wide open Oubre for 3. 14 seconds is plenty of time to make a few passes and find the open man. Drives me nuts.
Absolutely. Lots of people do. I don't wanna say this, and make it go 32 pages, but Cal does this. He slows it down, stops running plays and settles for the contested 20 footer. But this is a popular trend. Idk why, but it's what a lot of teams and players do how. It's very stupid. I don't understand the reasoning at all.
Hell, kelly damn oubre hit a ***huge*** shot down the stretch bc why? They swung the ball around, attacked the weak spot, and kicked out to wide open Oubre for 3. 14 seconds is plenty of time to make a few passes and find the open man. Drives me nuts.
Yea with a super team I agree. But he's gotta be surrounded by a talented shot maker like you said. The Wizards realistically can't add a star this off season unless by trade, so their best option is to add a scorer off the bench so Wall isn't so gassed late in playoff games.
Beal and Porter are potentially enough to beat fn AVERY BRADLEY AND JAE CROWDER???? Wtf
We ain't talking best of all time here, this is the craptastic eastern conference and if Washington could match Boston's intensity and grit, this series wouldn't even go 7 bc Washington has the better talent. They just don't know how to use it.
We ain't talking best of all time here, this is the craptastic eastern conference and if Washington could match Boston's intensity and grit, this series wouldn't even go 7 bc Washington has the better talent. They just don't know how to use it.
Nearly everyone's mentality changes in crunch time. The game itself changes. You watch enough NBA to know that. It's why LeBron, for all his greatness, couldn't do it alone either. You have to have shot makers at that point, and if it isn't your best player, you need an incredibly talented sidekick like Wade or Kyrie.
I actually agree that Washington has a pretty nice starting 5 for the east. Porter, Beal and Gortat are nice players. The bench is just brutal.
No. I said you labeling him is humorous. Kind of like a homeless man running his piehole about what a failure Bill Gates is. There are many and have been many outstanding athletes who have never won a championship. That doesn't mean they are chokers. However I do seem to remember Wall winning an SEC regular season and tournament championship.
Will implies future, therefore unless you have a time machine, your statement is not "factual." It's an opinion. As in "mbc82584 will continue to make a fool of himself in this thread." Yes, empirical evidence suggests this is almost certainly true, but at this point, it's still just an opinion. Now if I said "mbc82584 has displayed a massive lack of basketball knowledge in this thread" that's a "factual" statement.
It's why Kyrie is perfect for Lebron. He has no conscience and is an elite shot maker.
I want to be clear that I'm not saying Wall is a choker because he doesn't win NBA titles.
I'm saying he's a choker because he fails at huge moments in big games.
Everyone who says "yeah well they wouldn't be there without him" is TOTALLY RIGHT while also COMPLETELY PROVING MY POINT
He's a guy who will beat up on the bad teams, massively stuff stats, win a few "tough" games that really don't matter, and then get you beat when it does (by like dribbling off his foot, shooting 0-15 from 3, air balling the big shots, etc)
I hate that it's true, but it is. As U.K. Fans who watched the 2010 tournament, we should know intimately, but I guess some of us don't learn haha
I'm saying he's a choker because he fails at huge moments in big games.
Everyone who says "yeah well they wouldn't be there without him" is TOTALLY RIGHT while also COMPLETELY PROVING MY POINT
He's a guy who will beat up on the bad teams, massively stuff stats, win a few "tough" games that really don't matter, and then get you beat when it does (by like dribbling off his foot, shooting 0-15 from 3, air balling the big shots, etc)
I hate that it's true, but it is. As U.K. Fans who watched the 2010 tournament, we should know intimately, but I guess some of us don't learn haha
Wall had 19 points 9 rebounds and 5 assists in that game in 2010.
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I think someone lost some money tonight...
7-18, 1-5 from 3, 4-8 from the line, and 5 turnovers. Not to mention A) his sole 3 (and 3 of his 2's) came when the game was OVER and B) he failed, in prime time, to make his teammates better when he struggled.
But hey, he had 19/9/5...that definitely means he wasn't just stat stuffing and he definitely didn't choke
To be fair, I lost money AND I am awake with a super-healthy 6 day old baby boy while mom sleeps. The antagonizing makes not sleeping a little more fun haha
BKO-easy haha...I never said selfish. JW is not selfish, but that doesn't change my original point
What do you know Colin Cowturd has finally made his way to Rupp's Rafters.:weary:
John Wall has very little help around him. He needs someone to MAKE AN OPEN SHOT!!! The Wizards don't have that. I thought Beal, with his MASSIVE contract, was supposed to be the man to hit them?
John Wall can't do it all and win in the NBA Playoffs, he has to have HELP!!!!
What do you know Colin Cowturd has finally made his way to Rupp's Rafters.:weary:
John Wall has very little help around him. He needs someone to MAKE AN OPEN SHOT!!! The Wizards don't have that. I thought Beal, with his MASSIVE contract, was supposed to be the man to hit them?
John Wall can't do it all and win in the NBA Playoffs, he has to have HELP!!!!
Again, not arguing that the Wizards are some mega team. I'm just arguing about JW's history and how tonight, with a 7 point lead with a little over 2 minutes to play...he air balled two shots and bricked the game winner.
Regardless of the help around him, those were on JW, and as we learned in 2010 the guy is just not equipped to hit in those moments.
Sure is! Everyone said it would change my life instantly, but I could've never guessed how right they were!
absolutely does; cherish every day
anyway - disagree with your view on Wall; I really think he was really just exhausted tonight. His play got them to overtime after falling behind.
One man can only do so much
Wall just had 40, 14, and 3. The wizards were garbage before he got there. PS, he's 26 years old. Presumably the worst take I've ever seen.
Let me guess, you think Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, Steve Nash, Gary Payton, Tim Hardaway, Dominique Wilkins, on and on etc, etc, etc.....literally every player except Jordan and a handful of others are choke artists.
Let me guess, you think Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, Steve Nash, Gary Payton, Tim Hardaway, Dominique Wilkins, on and on etc, etc, etc.....literally every player except Jordan and a handful of others are choke artists.
Did I say anything about your right to post. If you want to flaunt your stupidity, have at it.
Thank you! I most certainly will.
As for JW, he was obviously exhausted, and he carried them in the first quarter for certain. They were up double digits in all four quarters though, and were never behind by more than 3 until overtime. Those shots at the end were ugly, no matter what your take.
Nooooo, as I've said. This is not about his ability to win championships. This thread is about his inability to perform in the big moments, which I have demonstrably proven to be 100% true. When the BIG game is on the line, since he was in high school, John Wall is not your guy.
He is playing the best of any player in the Playoffs. The Wizard's Roster is not all that great. They are playing the #1 seed on the road. He had 40 and 14 with only 4 turnovers and people are attacking him. They get BLOWN OUT if he doesn't go off like that. He isn't MJ, but who is??? Remember MJ NEVER lost in the Finals, but Kobe, Lebron, Tim Duncan, Shaq, and many others did, multiple times. Give Wall a break!!!
No but you made the implication that criticizing an athlete on a message board (for choking) should be grounds to open up about my successes or failures in life as well. I was opening up a discussion about John Wall choking in big games, and you tried to make it about my personal life. I'm not gonna get in that pissing contest (mostly because it's a waste of time and I would win) so instead I asked if it was OK to criticize athletes on message boards.
You obviously can't talk about the issue, and we're apparently offended, so you resorted to personal al attacks instead of arguing a point. Which was my point.
None of those games are in the realm of what I'm talking about here. I mean, he hit the game winner against Miami Ohio (with the game tied, we weren't behind BTW)...but no one here would compare that to his performance against WVA (or even Cornell or WF that year).
He can perform when there is no real pressure,I'm not arguing against that
So, only those games that you decide are big time games count? That's convenient.
Lol, I am light years from offended, I am just pointing out when someone doesn't have an intellectual argument and resorts to personal attacks because they can't refute the real point
That exactly what I have said the entire time. "John Wall will never win a championship". I never argued he dribbled off his foot or went 0-30 in a mid season game haha
I gave you facts in the form of clips showing him performing in the clutch. You brought up HS and college, so I evinced clips from those games. And stop whining about personal attacks. If you are going to call Wall a choker because he hasn't won a title in his 7th year, then you can't whine because someone said something back to you.