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Kizzy

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I will give Cal credit and say he's developed a lot of guys esp since he's been here and what he did with SGA was unreal. However, Cal has had his share of 5 star duds. Poythress, Goodwin, Harrow, Wiltjer, Briscoe, Scowl, Gabriel, etc. These guys never got much, if any better, during their time here.
Cal didn't develop SGA. SGA took it upon himself to come early, ask questions, work hard in practice, and study film as well as hit weights. Cal has ZERO to do with what SGA was this year. What SGA was this year is because HE took initiative and got better.
 

Cowtown Cat

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Matthews was the player we were missing last year. Prototypical college 3 that rebounds, plays defense and shoots it halfway decent. Lee would have also helped with rim protection. Something we were also missing. JMO.

Matthews would have been another FT clanker, shooting a pathetic 50 some odd % this season.
Matthews was MOP of the West Region and he's going to the Final Four. You really sure he wouldn't have helped us last year? What about this year? o_O
 
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univky12

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and sometimes you hang on to scholarships because you think another 5 star is going to fall into your lap.


Rick Pitino agrees on a 5 star falling into your lap.....and says "he didn't even cost a penny to recruit".

It cost a lot more than a penny, didn't it Rick?
 
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Alot of people think Cal practices must be complicated. In reality Cal runs very easy sets. He does box out, pads, shooting from different spots on the floor drills. This year he taught basic 2-3 zone.then he will run a scrimmage. I bet most of you will be surprised to know that he leaves it up to the player to come to the gym on his own to get better, shoot free throws, put up shots ect.

If you leave it up to a 17-18 year old to be responsible, 9-10 they will sleep late and take the easy way. So why does Cal do that? Never agreed with it. Thankfully we have a few every year take it upon themselves to start a breakfast club. But not everyone comes. And they're not required either.

We can do better in being more accountable here making sure we help develop the kids instead of leaving it up to them.
 

Cawood86_rivals

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Great recruiter. Good man. Average coach
Cal 720-204 .779 % 26 years 1 title
Pitino 770-241 .740 % 32 years 1 title
Self 653-200 .766 % 25 years 1 title
Williams 842-227 .788 % 30 years 3 titles
Izzo 574-225 .718 % 23 years 1 title
K 1100-337 .765 % 43 years 5 titles
Wright 541-250 .684 % 24 years 1 title
 
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Look, he probably thought Hump would be here like I did. Can't help when Charles transfers or people leave before you thought they would. Before this season I heard Shai will be a player here for at least a couple years. For a guy that can't coach we sure do see players that are predicted to be 2-3 year players get drafted 1st rd after 1 year. He makes players better, I don't see how anyone could argue that. Not everyone pans out, but they don't always anywhere.

He could have kept Hump if he wanted him. Cal is the best recruiter going and there's zero doubt he could have convinced him to stay if he wanted.

Shai looked very good in the Derby classic, surprisingly good. So I'm not sure how much Cal developed him as opposed to how underrated he was coming in. Cal has mentioned how hard Shai had worked on his own to get to where he is. This idea that coaches develop players is pretty overblown imo. If players want to work hard and are teachable they're probably going to improve under most staffs.

Don't think Cal is just an average coach per se but I do think he has chosen to be. Does he just roll the ball out there? Compared to what coaches have to do who don't get Cal's talent then Yes, he basically just rolls the ball out there. Vanilla offensive sets, nothing special on defense and expects talent to win out. That's the reason he doesn't mind grinders. He expects the talent to carry the day. Same reason he doesn't use timeouts, run out of bounds plays, etc. He expects to win on talent and given the talent he gets why wouldn't he. IMO he's fallen into the trap that says he doesn't have to go all out in the Xs and Os of coaching.

If he worked as hard on that part of the games as he does in recruiting and promoting I think he'd get even better results than he has. Just what I see from my 20,000 foot view.
 
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He could have kept Hump if he wanted him. Cal is the best recruiter going and there's zero doubt he could have convinced him to stay if he wanted.

Shai looked very good in the Derby classic, surprisingly good. So I'm not sure how much Cal developed him as opposed to how underrated he was coming in. Cal has mentioned how hard Shai had worked on his own to get to where he is. This idea that coaches develop players is pretty overblown imo. If players want to work hard and are teachable they're probably going to improve under most staffs.

Don't think Cal is just an average coach per se but I do think he has chosen to be. Does he just roll the ball out there? Compared to what coaches have to do who don't get Cal's talent then Yes, he basically just rolls the ball out there. Vanilla offensive sets, nothing special on defense and expects talent to win out. That's the reason he doesn't mind grinders. He expects the talent to carry the day. Same reason he doesn't use timeouts, run out of bounds plays, etc. He expects to win on talent and given the talent he gets why wouldn't he. IMO he's fallen into the trap that says he doesn't have to go all out in the Xs and Os of coaching.

If he worked as hard on that part of the games as he does in recruiting and promoting I think he'd get even better results than he has. Just what I see from my 20,000 foot view.

You honestly think other coaches could lose 80-90% of their offense and still compete for a Natty? He takes a bunch of egos and makes them buy into a team concept and to play defense for the first times of their lives. These kids come in as the man and playing zero defense. Watch a AAU game and tell me these kids are taught to play defense. Yet just this year these freshman were the 4th ranked 3 point defense in the nation. Sure they are long, but D isn't just there. Especially in AAU and beyond games of long talented players. A team is bring together individuals for the common good. AD was a hell of a player, but his offense didn't take us to the promise land.

Sure ok though, he can't coach. He can't weld together kids in a 8 month period that show up playing hero ball and leave as a team. Just because a team has an off night doesn't mean they aren't a team. We saw this with the Wall-Cousins year. Whatever, he isn't the X and O coach of the year, but he molds teams into more than they might have been. Lets sit back and watch how coach rat does it now.
 
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seccats04

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What? Gabriel is improving he just finished his soph year. Not all are OAD. Wiltjer, won a title with us and their just wasn't space for him so he decided to transfer, still wish he didn't, loved Kyle. Goodwin was in a no win situation on the NIT team and after we lost our best player. Briscoe was who he was. He was never good enough to be a OAD, he just didn't want to work. Poythress I don't get, never will.. Harrow sucked. Scal is one I think Cal didn't do enough with, but that's about it.
Gabriel is the same player now that he was last year. He can hit a few 3's every now and then but still can't guard anybody and barely rebounds and really does nothing else. And I'm not just talking about OAD's. I'm talking player development. Wiltjer was no better his second year. Lee never improved in 3 years so he moved on.

Like I said and don't get me wrong, Cal has improved a lot of players here but he's had his fair share of duds too.
 

DelkBowl

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He had hd talent. He did recr


He had done the least with the amount of talent he had had.

Good recruiter, good Christian man, average game coach.
Please define the tool you used to identify coaching skills. You clearly are troll material and have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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JohnKBA

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You guys can say what you will about Cal’s coaching, but anyone who watched that game and blames the loss on anything but the terrible “offense” we ran is full of it.
 

mdlUK.1

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You guys can say what you will about Cal’s coaching, but anyone who watched that game and blames the loss on anything but the terrible “offense” we ran is full of it.
It was caused by the refs calling 51 effing fouls. It didn't favor either team but it mucked the game up enough that the Cats athleticism didn't come in to play. So, you're the one full of it.
 

JohnKBA

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It was caused by the refs calling 51 effing fouls. It didn't favor either team but it mucked the game up enough that the Cats athleticism didn't come in to play. So, you're the one full of it.

Good coaches adapt and overcome. Offense should have run through Knox the entire 2nd half. Instead we ran YMCA league ****.
 
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mdlUK.1

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Good coaches adapt and overcome. Offense should have run through Knox the entire 2nd half. Instead we ran YMCA league ****.
Knox was being grabbed and held the entire 2nd half. Almost impossible for him to cut through.
 

JohnKBA

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Knox was being grabbed and held the entire 2nd half. Almost impossible for him to cut through. Did you even watch the game?

You clear out a side and let him post up against the midget who was guarding him. Instead we ran him off the same screens 100 times and expected the results to change.
 
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mdlUK.1

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You clear out a side and let him post up against the midget who was guarding him. Instead we ran him off the same screens 100 times and expected the results to change.
Gosh, if only we had a coach like you. Smh
 

KyFaninNC

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You clear out a side and let him post up against the midget who was guarding him. Instead we ran him off the same screens 100 times and expected the results to change.
Exactly, a 6 inch height advantage and we can't him the ball? Must be the aliens stopping that.
 

KyFaninNC

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Gosh, if only we had a coach like you. Smh
Cal is the best at meshing egos and players together, but a middle schooler can design a basketball play. It is not rocket science. Do you ever watch a game and see the plays develope and how the kids set them up, how they clear one side of the floor, isolate a particular player to get him the ball, or are you just a cheerleader jumping up and down and waving your pom poms? We do not even have a set play for an inbounds play. Why is that?
 

JohnKBA

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All I’m saying is that it’s possible to be happy with the job Cal is doing overall (which I am) and still criticize him for doing a piss poor job of exploiting a clear advantage. This isn’t the political thread, you don’t have to be all in for one side 100% of the time.
 
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