Challenging of history?
I bet those numbers are flipped when assessing Profs in just Business Schools across the nation.
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I bet those numbers are flipped when assessing Profs in just Business Schools across the nation.
We’ll call it the adding of unnecessary context in order to alter perception of American exceptionalism.
I guess we need more conservatives in Sociology, Art History, Humanities, Anthropology, Art, English Literature, and Philosophy?
I wasn’t aware education should be weaponized to rewrite historical context with a modern application of morality in order to detract from the positivity stemming from the original act.
Sure we do, but it’s not something the majority of conservatives tend to gravitate to. The dangers of liberals in those areas is they don’t possess the applicatative relatability. Obviously that’s an over generalization but isn’t really that far off the mark?
Personally, I enjoyed studying much of that (art history can suck a dick) because it makes me more effective in business. I think it would be great if more focus was placed on the practical application of the arts towards becoming a more effective leader in industry and not just the focus on the pure science. I think that is what we’ve lost. We’ve lost the transitive application.
Not sure how it’s being weaponized in academia. Examining history through multiple perspectives isn’t about applying modern morality, it’s about dissecting historical events through multiple perspectives of the time in question.
It’s an approach that not only allows the student to understand the impacts of an historical event in totality, but it’s also an approach that helps foster tolerance, analysis, and understanding.
The practical application of these fields exist in the mentality and attitudes of the well educated student. It’s not an attempt to “liberalize”, it’s an attempt to enhance critical thinking, encourage thorough analysis, and prevent cultural entrenchment and prejudice.
Art History is a very valuable study of societies throughout history and how the values and morality of the time was applied to art (as well as how it was challenged). It’s actually a way to help preserve the morality of different times of history in the minds of the students in their broader application of analysis.
I’m an education major that studied Sociology in order to have a better understanding of issues of gender, race, religion, power, and political ideology......the practical application exists in how that understanding helps me adapt lesson plans to better connect with certain students. Industry can benefit from the same. It’s not always about making money.
This is not the impact of changing the "view" of history, it is to rewrite history in a way that makes their current views validated. Having one recent grad, one in college and one in high school taking AP Gov. I can confirm that it is not about having different views of history, but changing the facts to prop up current thinking as it pertains to liberal views.
Then your kids have horrible teachers, and it’s not the norm. Using someone like Zinn to understand aspects of history isn’t changing facts, it’s about expanding facts to enrich understanding.
You might be right, but my daughters high school is the #3 rated school in PA, my son graduated from PSU and my middle daughter is at WVU. Are all 3 schools filled with bad teachers/professors?
I had some bad ones at WVU, imo. But no, imo, Penn State and WVU have a pretty solid faculty.
I wonder if you could provide an example of a situation where facts were changed by these teachers, or at least provide me with some context of your observation?
I’m not explaining my position very well.
Take manifest destiny as an example. I guarantee we’re at odds on the merits of it. However, in totality, without it, we’re not where we are now. Digging into the contextual aspects of it and focusing on the minutia, we lose sight of the resultant effects.
My wife and I were in South Africa last year as you know. We bought the “crunchy” travelers guide. All throughout the book the writers are trashing aspects of industry like “the logging industry created a blight on the panoramic beauty... blah blah”. It turned into a game at that point as we stopped into this beautiful coastal town that got its beginning as a ship building hub. I got to thinking that without the logging, there wouldn’t have been the industry and without the industry there wouldn’t have been this beautiful town that the book raved about. The abandonment of context annoyed the piss out of me.
My son brought home the results from their standardized testing that they did a couple weeks back. It's shocking how poor our state ranks, and it was really disappointing how poorly my son's school did.
I would have to talk to my kids to give exact examples but I know of many discussions during their first two years of college taking classes outside of their major.
- I know that during AP history my daughter had to write a paper about Manifest Destiny and take the stance of US aggression towards natives.
- All 3 of my kids have taken AP history ( my son in college, but they used the exact book that daughters used in high school) They spent one week on the American Revolution, one week on the civil war and a month on civil rights abuses of the 60's up to current day.
- My son had to debate the death penalty and his side was on the pro side. During the debate he used articles that refuted the whole cost argument and was told that those articles were not peer reviewed and points were taken away even though he footnoted the articles and they were peer reviewed articles that were cited in federal court documents.
- I remember my son had to write a paper and he was telling me about it. I asked him he believed what he wrote and he said, hell no, but if he disagrees with the professor the will get an F.
- I know that when Trump was elected my daughter had the option to forgo finals in two of her classes (liberal arts stuff her freshman year) if she felt depressed about Trump getting elected. They would allow the student to choose the highest test score from previous tests and use that the final grade. My son was a Sr. at PSU and said that students ask for the same and the professors just laughed at them. That had more to do with 400 level classes as opposed to a history or art class.
I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. My point with respect to the application of instruction is that the translative “why this is important to you (student)” aspect is largely lost. It’s much more “why this is important to me (professor)”.
Legit point. Yet, I don’t think the benefit of that type of acknowledgement of environmental impact seeks to deny the total worth of that industry. (As with whaling for NE areas, it is a unique and rich layer to the cities character). But it seeks to identify the dangers of lack of balance.
As with Manifest Destiny, lost cultures and targeted genocide are not minutia, they are aspects of history. Ignoring them in a desire to only justify resultant effects is just simply ignoring history. Imo, the most effective way to teach manifest destiny is by focusing on both the positive and negative. It’s not in an effort to somehow indicate to the student that Manifest Destiny was bad, but rather an effort to force critical thinking within the student about Manifest Destiny as a historical event.
As I said before, the goal is to foster critical thinking and thorough analysis......and not allowing a rigid stance in regards to cultural righteousness.
Although it seems that is what you seek, as great as America is.....to me, it’s not education but rather indoctrination. Good education doesn’t liberalize, it expands the scope of analysis.
I hate standardized testing as the ultimate measuring stick. Some kids test poorly. But you’re right, scores should not be as low as they are in many areas of the nation.
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- Was the US not aggressive towards native nations during the era of Manifest Destiny?
- This could be a result of how much time was spent on the Revolution and Civil Wars in earlier grades, and how little coverage there was on the civil rights era. Or it could be bias, it would be tough to call unless I had a better understanding of the grade levels and overall course curriculum.
- Debate is a really effective way to teach a controversial subject. Often students are purposely forced to argue sides the originally do not agree with. As for the peer reviewed aspect of the material, it is a college requirement that I agree with.
- Horrible teaching. Student opinion shouldn’t be what determines a grade.
- Any Professor should have laughed at that request. Ridiculous
Based on our limited interactions, you seem like a great educator that students would be lucky to have. I think you’re in the minority though.
Your goal is to foster critical thinking, which I agree with. You seemingly keep your politics out of your educating, and that’s good. You have to acknowledge that isn’t the case on the grand scale.
The focusing on the minutia while I agree has its merits tends to override the contextual understanding. It becomes a focus session on the plight of the victim without the broader acknowledgement of the greater resultant effect.
Again, I’m speaking in generalities and you’re digging into your personal approach. You might just be the bright spot in an otherwise corrupted practice of indoctrination. When I lament the tearing down of American exceptionalism, which I think we can agree has occurred, these are the approaches used to attack it.
I appreciate your opinion, it means a lot. Americanism is exceptional, there is no way to deny that when examining history. When looking at western expansion for example, sure it’s important to look at the victims of that effort, but you have to also look at the many lives offered freedom for the first time from oppression worldwide that were able to stake their claim. Imo, to be American is to embrace all that we are. The positives and negatives. One learns from their mistakes in life, and it’s the same when examining history.....it’s not that I would have history changed to award the west to the Lakota, it’s that I want aspects of the Sioux culture to endure and respect paid to their part of our history