That is exactly right. Butler tried to pull something out of KAT, and Wiggins, that so far doesn’t appear to be there. The numbers are there, the night to night impact isn’t.
Jimmy Butler trash talking KAT.
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I don’t see you coming down on KAT at all. KAT can be better and at times simply floats during games. It could be he just needs a better supporting cast. It does wonders for other elite players. Just like it did for Butler going to Miami.
He’s just a piece of **** on the court, and that’s ok. He wins.
People used to say that Kevin Garnett was a POS but, that dude was a straight up killer on the court. Talked trash and then backed it up. Didn't put up with any softness from teammates either. Remember the Big Baby incident?
I don't think you can directly compare Butler to KG but, they may be cut from the same cloth. KAT is a fantastic talent but, I don't think there's any doubt he's a bit soft. That's OK but, he will never put his team on his back and march to a Championship. But, to be fair Butler ain't a one man wrecking crew either.
So, in the end you have a couple of millionaire bball players who end up exchanging insults and stares. Well, good for them.
I don't think you can directly compare Butler to KG but, they may be cut from the same cloth. KAT is a fantastic talent but, I don't think there's any doubt he's a bit soft. That's OK but, he will never put his team on his back and march to a Championship. But, to be fair Butler ain't a one man wrecking crew either.
So, in the end you have a couple of millionaire bball players who end up exchanging insults and stares. Well, good for them.
This is why KAT is soft, too. He is a great player who puts up big numbers across the board. Definitely an all-star level player. And, I think he’s good enough to be a huge part of a championship winning team. But, he is weak. This incident is at least the 3rd time that KAT should’ve put Butler on his *** or came back with comments directed at Butler at the very least. But, nothing. Didn’t he let Embiid call him out publicly with no response, as well?
Butler bullied him on a daily basis in Minnesota, even publicly, & KAT just took it without standing up for himself. He’s as skilled as you could ever hope a big could be. But, he has no balls. Until he stands up to Butler or any other person who bullies him relentlessly he’ll always be perceived as soft. Even if you take an *** whipping, at some point you have to stand up for yourself & I’m starting to wonder if KAT will ever find his manhood. It has to be embarrassing. He looks worse every time he allows Butler to punk him, which seems to be on a continual basis.
And people have been calling Lebron, Steph and Durant "soft" for 2 decades. KAT is ultra-talented and perfectly built for new-age offense....he will win BIG the second he gets out of Minnesota. You dont have to be an angry prick to win in the NBA, especially nowadays.
Butler has been a chemistry nightmare and terrible teammate everywhere until Riley finally put him in his place.
Butler has been a chemistry nightmare and terrible teammate everywhere until Riley finally put him in his place.
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Really good offensive player. Also has a bad reputation for being one of the worst defensive players at his position. That's a problem for him.
Privileged if you mean his parents weren't welfare leaches than yeah KAT was privileged growing up.
Imagine being on the Timberwolves this long and still trying super hard every night on defense. During their playoff year KAT was a rebounding and blocking machine. The man needs a real team, real coach and real GM. He needs out and every GM in the league will be offering him max money, hope he makes the right decision.
Good call on the Riley factor! Excellent call. In fact, if I could, I’d like this post twice!
And kudos for Riley passing on James “going to the strip club during playoffs” Harden.
Let’s not forget the age factor. KAT is still 25 today, meaning he was simply a gentle giant at 21, 22, and 23 during the Butler days.
And one more note, Butler openly complained about KAT’s work ethics. Herro got the call to meet Butler for a workout at 4am the minute Herro arrived at South Beach. Herro got his arse there. Smart move by Herro to set that alarm clock, eh.
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I'm not going t make excuses for him, man. If he wants to change the narrative on who he is amongst the league it's going to be up to him.
Those guys ARE soft. Doesn’t mean they aren’t great players though. Durant’s picture should be next to the word “soft” in the dictionary after he tucked tail & ran to GS after he & OKC lost to them in 7 games after leading the series 3-1. Can you imagine Magic essentially admitting that he couldn’t beat Larry Bird after the 84 series & joining up with him instead so he can get a ring riding Bird’s coattails? Hell no. He made it his life’s goal to beat Bird & not allow it to happen again. That’s what an alpha does. They don’t ring chase in their primes like KD & LBJ.
That "narrative" is all led by Jimmy psycho Butler nonsense. Props to KAT for taking the high road....20 years from now KAT will have way more money, way more happiness and way more wins and basketball success than Jimmy Butler. Put that in stone. Congrats to Jimmy on picking on someone 6 years younger than him and pretending like that's special
Exactly. Being "soft" or "hard" doesn't matter in the NBA like it used to, every successful team has a mix of both
Again, I hate to keep repeating myself but I've yet to see anyone address it. 5 years ago in a poll amongst GMs KAt was the #1 player in the league when asked who would you start your franchise with. He's not top 10 now based on what I have seen. What has changed? That big of a drop in his reputation in the league, ALL because of Jimmy Butler?
Put Ulis on Butler. Would attack him like a rabid ferocious wolverine. Now that kid backs down from no one!
Do you have a full list from then and from now to compare? KAT was #1 back then due to recency bias and is prob just outside of the top 10 for the same reason....Minnesota is a dead end franchise and no one watches them. I imagine the current top 10 is a lot of guys from the last few draft classes
Can you link this wide spread narrative around the league?
JB stuffed the stat sheet in finals...what did they get. Where are they this season?
Same as KAT stuffing the stat sheet.
Same as DBooker...he was labeled soft because he scored but doesn't mouth off
I could go digging up links I guess. I listen to NBA podcasts, I hear guys like Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo make comments about the take on Towns around the league. Listening to Simmons and Russillo is as close as I can get to being plugged in to the league.
he is not known as a great defender...100%
that doesn't make him soft... maybe slow of foot
DBook is known the same, he is not soft.
Bulter has been trouble with teammates wherever he has been, but KAT is soft?
If Kat was as weak as people here are claiming, he would of quit the NBA by now.
Turning the other cheek is something preached in the bible..... maybe Kat is stronger than fools think
Turning the other cheek is something preached in the bible..... maybe Kat is stronger than fools think
Butler would wash Magliore like a dirty dish. He is big, but Jimmy is built like a brick **** house. Speed kills. Jimmy is hood AF to, he grew up in the suburbs of Houston, Tomball is a very rough area. He has been a fighter all his life, and is a winner. You may not like his personality, or his attitude but if a war breaks out, you would like him on YOUR team, best believe that. He gives it his all EVERY game. Just because JM bent little Wojo's arm while on the floor, does not mean he is Jon "Bone" Jones. I would in a make believe situation, give you 5-1 odds (both in their prime), and wouldn't flinch. DCUZ has shown mean streaks to, just like JM, but against Jimmy Butler, he better sit his *** down and be humble.
No comparison. Not even factoring the defensive side of the ball, give me Jimmy over KAT. Love KAT, wonderful kid, just what you wish your son to be, (except for the soft part), but intensity and effort is not even close between the two. Jimmy Butler would run thru a brick wall to win, KAT is a stat stuffing offensive only player. Just being 100, not trying to slam on KAT, but truth is truth. There is a reason he is a 4 time All NBA defensive team selection.
Defensive stats for KAT, opponents fg% at the rim - 63%, less than 10 feet- 60%. Those are really bad numbers for a 7 footer.
Defensive stats for KAT, opponents fg% at the rim - 63%, less than 10 feet- 60%. Those are really bad numbers for a 7 footer.
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Butler is a POS and a vastly overrated basketball player. However....he's right.
Not sure how any competitive athlete can listen to someone talk that much **** and just take it. Unless..... they're not competitive which is exactly why Kats just taken it for years
Not sure how any competitive athlete can listen to someone talk that much **** and just take it. Unless..... they're not competitive which is exactly why Kats just taken it for years
Exactly. I love KAT as a player & don’t enjoy calling him soft. But, it is what it is. I get turning the other cheek but after so many times you have to stand up for yourself, IMO. I’d personally rather be beaten to dust than to continually allow someone to insult & question my manhood. Especially on a national level. Embiid got away with calling him out several times, too. It’s hard not to question a player’s heart or toughness after so many incidents like this.
You can definitely have a hatred toward Butler for some of his antics, but overrated he is not. He did not make the All Stars nor is he in consideration for DPOY or any even in the weakest chatter for MVP. But Butler has those stats in his D and is leading the NBA in steals per game. His assists and rebounds are solid and scoring and clutch in the 4th qtr are amongst the tops in the NBA.
And he’s got his teammates back. I think you’d appreciate this just as much as I did. And if I it were my teammate, I’d have done the same. This clip video is recent.
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Butler hasn’t won anything. He sits out plenty because of a sore knee or whatever else. It’s low class to critique others when you haven’t gotten it done in playoffs. Butler was on a Sixers team that was talented. The Heat went out weak as kittens in finals.
Jimmy is still mad the Wolves didn’t pay him. Jealousy hurts.
They act like the Timberwolves as an organization are a model of consistency. KAT is still one of the best bigs in the league, and he’s the Wolves look like they’re heading in the right direction.
They act like the Timberwolves as an organization are a model of consistency. KAT is still one of the best bigs in the league, and he’s the Wolves look like they’re heading in the right direction.
Then I would say over half the rotation players are low class, because trash-talking is a thing has been for a long time.
Yes, the Lakers won in the finals against the uprising Heat. But in fairness, Bam and Goran Dragic were injured and missed games in the final series. The series went 6-games and 1 of those Heat losses should have pushed it to 7 games.
Say what you will about Butler, but w/o him I’m not sure our ex-Cats in Herro and Bam would have shined as bright without Butler on their squad this early in their careers.
Yeap, 21-47 is definitely headed in the right direction. Right direction for another top 5 lottery pick that they will draft a player who is soft or do not need. Right direction, 1 game ahead of the professionally, and one of the best all time, obvious tank jobs in history, Detroit Pistons. Hell they are so bad, the only way to go is up. They let KAT bring his "buddy" Deangelo Russell (another soft as charmin, one way player) and gave up 3 #1 picks to do so. I love former Cats as much as the next guy, but KAT is the poster child of one way player. He gets abused on defense, abused. Has not shown ANY signs of improving. I bet he can't bench half his weight. Out shape, weak, but he can shoot the 3, looks good from a 7 footer. Rebounds in his area (under the goal), and drops a few dimes, total player ? Not even close. Franchise player ? LOL. Nope.