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RUBOB72

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not any religion lying, but since the Jewish faith and Muslim religion doesn't recognize Jesus as a god or the son of god:
You posting this "And all venerate Mary as the Mother of the One True God." could be considered lying
One can lol about that, but a good Christian might worry if that statement might be considered the sin of blasphemy by others that consider themselves Christian and a ticket to hell because of using her to lie about what other faiths say about
Im not anti-Christian. I’m not anti-any religion. I just don’t believe in any of it.

I don’t believe in Santa or the Easter bunny but I celebrate Christmas and like chocolate bunny rabbits. Not believing in a thing is not the same as being anti that thing.
You have that right
 

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I don’t believe in the existence of a God as described in any religious texts because there is simply no evidence to support it that wasn’t conjured up by people. Conversely, there is all sorts of evidence against the existence of any singular perfect God. Has nothing to do with not being able to “see him”. I cannot see oxygen but I know it’s there. Because all the facts of oxygen’s existence are logical, and self-consistent.
That’s because it falls under the heading of Faith… none of us have seen HIM but many know HE does exist. In our. Hearts and Minds.
 

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Here's the problem with this: Christianity and other religions are supposed to temper people and make them nicer. If adherents actually become meaner, and usually such people can back up their meanness with scripture, it has to cast some doubt on the alleged perfection of that religion. It's too easy to just say "they weren't real Christians," just like lots of Muslims conveniently disavowed Osama bin Laden as not a true Muslim, when their behavior is being backed up, at least in part, by religious texts. That Old Testament can justify a lot of bad behavior.
Where did you get the belief that religion makes one tempered , meeker , docile? Strange that you would think that. Now Jesus did teach humility . But HE also taught people to show strength and be strong in difficult times.
 

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I love how people follow the Bible despite the contradictions and they decide to follow some stuff that is written but not all. I read and studied the Bible at Bergen Catholic but even then it didn’t always make sense. I say that with all due respect to the late great Father Adrian. One semester I had a 100 avg in religion but got a 99 on my report card. When I asked Father Adrian why I didn’t get a 100, He said, “Son, no man is perfect”. Loved that guy.
 
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Where did you get the belief that religion makes one tempered , meeker , docile? Strange that you would think that. Now Jesus did teach humility . But HE also taught people to show strength and be strong in difficult times.
It’s one thing to show strength and perseverance during difficult times. It’s another to use scripture to justify persecution of people because they don’t believe what you do or to take away their rights.
 

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I love how people follow the Bible despite the contradictions and they decide to follow some stuff that is written but not all. I read and studied the Bible at Bergen Catholic but even then it didn’t always make sense. I say that with all due respect to the late great Father Adrian. One semester I had a 100 avg in religion but got a 99 on my report card. When I asked Father Adrian why I didn’t get a 100, He said, “Son, no man is perfect”. Loved that guy.
Of course there are contradictions in the Bible. How could there not be? It is not one book. It is either 66 (Protestant) or 73 (Catholic) books, written over the course of 1500 years.

IMHO, any mature reading of the Bible REQUIRES that we "follow some stuff that is written but not all".
 

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I don’t believe in the existence of a God as described in any religious texts because there is simply no evidence to support it that wasn’t conjured up by people. Conversely, there is all sorts of evidence against the existence of any singular perfect God. Has nothing to do with not being able to “see him”. I cannot see oxygen but I know it’s there. Because all the facts of oxygen’s existence are logical, and self-consistent.
Sounds intelligent.

However, of course there is evidence of the God of the Bible—creation, mountains, oceans, dna, etc

You may not like the quality or nature of the evidence. But there is evidence.

Also, you presuppose all written texts are “conjured up by.”

That is an unsupportable generalization.

I thought you had an open, curious mind?

God bless Jim Harbaugh
 

brgRC90

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Where did you get the belief that religion makes one tempered , meeker , docile? Strange that you would think that. Now Jesus did teach humility . But HE also taught people to show strength and be strong in difficult times.
He says turn the other cheek if you're slapped, love your enemy, the meek shall inherit the earth, don't be ostentatious in your worship, if someone asks you for your coat give them two, don't assume you're less of a sinner than others, give your money away if you want to get into heaven, follow him as children do. That sounds like being tempered to me. And certainly he never tells followers to force others to believe or force their beliefs on others.
 
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Are right wingers really whining about an athlete showing a political opinion being hounded? How many death threats do they suppose Colin Kaepernick got? One day everything the right says and does won't be pure hypocrisy. I hope.
What a ridiculous comparison - apples to oranges . In addition, you have no idea how many "death threats" CK got - you made that up to support a false analogy. People don't respect CK because he is a mediocre football player who outwardly hates the police and plays the victim card when in reality he is spoiled privileged brat - sorry you can't see through his phony outrage. Before you ask I am pro-choice - But unlike you I respect other peoples views.
 

brgRC90

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What a ridiculous comparison - apples to oranges . In addition, you have no idea how many "death threats" CK got - you made that up to support a false analogy. People don't respect CK because he is a mediocre football player who outwardly hates the police and plays the victim card when in reality he is spoiled privileged brat - sorry you can't see through his phony outrage. Before you ask I am pro-choice - But unlike you I respect other peoples views.
Two sports guys make political statements and one guy is treated like crap by right wingers for years but it's apples and oranges. Cry me a river for Harbaugh. Are you also going to tell me it was apples and oranges when Republicans refused to sit a new Supreme Court justice for 11 months in an election year when he was nominated by a Democrat but rushed one in when it was a Republican nominee?
 

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Also, you presuppose all written texts are “conjured up by.”

That is an unsupportable generalization.

I thought you had an open, curious mind?

God bless Jim Harbaugh
I don’t suppose the religious texts are man-made. I know they are. If God was all powerful, God could simply have created us already knowing everything we need to know. The fact that it had to be written down and translated to different languages is a human thing, not a God thing. It’s just one of many logical fallacies that come with religion, especially Western religions which are chock full of circular reasoning.

And I do have an open mind. That’s why I don’t say there is no God or Gods. Anything is possible. I’ve just never seen any evidence, that isn’t based on circular logic, to support the idea of a God as similar to what is described in mankind’s religious texts. Who’s to say that what people attribute to God isn’t just some as-yet undiscovered physical property of our universe? Or the actions of some unimaginably advanced alien race. Or both.

Close-minded is claiming there is only one God and one true religion (which people always conveniently defines as their chosen religion/God).
 
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Now you make the claim I persecuted YOU or OTHERS. ? Jesus Christ of course was tempered in all HE did. It is well documented in recorded history. As I have said several times you need not listen to nor attempt to find commonality on this very touching subject.I get it …you are in favor of taking the unborn’s life based upon what you believe is choice. How large of you and others To think or feel justification for those actions. However realize nobody here is persecuting anyone. Christ was persecuted and never asked for your help.
 

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He says turn the other cheek if you're slapped, love your enemy, the meek shall inherit the earth, don't be ostentatious in your worship, if someone asks you for your coat give them two, don't assume you're less of a sinner than others, give your money away if you want to get into heaven, follow him as children do. That sounds like being tempered to me. And certainly he never tells followers to force others to believe or force their beliefs on others.
Jesus Christ , as God Himself , was perfection created in the image of all of us. Yes , childlike but not childlike in the sense of acting as a 4 -5 year old . You can take HIS childlike proclamation several ways… here you chose to use it in a much different manner . Something tells me you once had FAITH.
 

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Two sports guys make political statements and one guy is treated like crap by right wingers for years but it's apples and oranges. Cry me a river for Harbaugh. Are you also going to tell me it was apples and oranges when Republicans refused to sit a new Supreme Court justice for 11 months in an election year when he was nominated by a Democrat but rushed one in when it was a Republican nominee?
Stick with Jesus he’ll remove your hate for a certain political party. What is sad is not long ago ,on this same board, the messaging of any political party affiliation brought instantaneous banishment. How the times have changed. Thank God Almighty Garland never was appointed to the Supreme Court of these United ( insert cough) States.
 

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Teaching American history from both perspectives is wrong? Trying to whitewash slavery by calling it involuntary relocation as is being pushed in some states isn’t the same thing? Forging treaties with indigenous peoples and then blatantly not honoring them shouldn’t be taught?

We are talking about KINDERGARTEN!!!!!!!!!

Priorities should be learning how to read, write add and subtract. Both perspectives will still be there when they reach 4th grade.
 
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And certainly he never tells followers to force others to believe or force their beliefs on others.
Force others to believe, no. But at the end of the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus is pretty clear in what is known as the Great Commission:

The Commissioning of the Disciples.*
16f The eleven* disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them.
17* When they saw him, they worshiped, but they doubted.
18* g Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19h Go, therefore,* and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,
20i teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.* And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”

I'm pro-life because I believe life begins at conception. That opinion does not depend on my religious beliefs.
 

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We are talking about KINDERGARTEN!!!!!!!!!

Priorities should be learning how to read, write add and subtract. Both perspectives will still be there when they reach 4th grade.
Nobody is teaching that in Kindergarten. But the laws being passed are marketed at early education but are targeted much more broadly.
 
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Nobody is teaching that in Kindergarten. But the laws being passed are marketed at early education but are targeted much more broadly.
Conservatives have made a living for years off of straw men, things that aren't happening or are rare that they scare their voters into believing are taking over. They like to ban stuff that isn't happening. I seriously doubt many kindergarteners in Florida were being taught about transgenderism but their voters bought it nonetheless.
 

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I believe New York Archbishop Dolan sums it all up in a piece published today on God. BTW: I don’t always agree with Cardinal Dolan on many issues . What he says is pretty valid in this overdrawn dissertation on the validity of a God and Jesus Christ. In our lives today.
 

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There is one God known by many to have different names. I think Dolan does a good job explaining where we are at and why it’s not a good thing for any of us.
 

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Are you closed-minded to the claim that there is only one God?
Nope, I just said I don't know in the post to which you replied ("And I do have an open mind. That’s why I don’t say there is no God or Gods.").

Are you close-minded to the idea that there is no anthropomorphized God as described in the Bible? Judaism and Islam seem to not anthropomorphize God and believe God is beyond human comprehension.

I don't do certainty (certainty is enemy of open-mindedness and curiosity). But I'm as close to certain as I get about anything that the anthropomorphized God described in the Bible is a fiction, as written at least, because of the sheer volume of circular reasoning required to believe otherwise (e.g. the whole "God works in mysterious ways" get out of jail free card to try to explain away horrific treatment of innocents).

Judaism and Islam don't anthropomorphize God and tend towards thinking God is beyond human comprehension (yet another case of circular reasoning). I can get a closer in line with that way of thinking because, while it still is just another "get out of jail free card" adherents can use to explain away inexplicably bad stuff, it at least it acknowledges that there is stuff beyond our comprehension (for now).

And stuff like Buddhism doesn't believe in deities or God at all, at least not in the way Western religions do.

Who is to say which of these religions is correct, if any? Who is to say which religion is the one God intended us to believe (or that he intended us to believe any of them)? Who is to say that much or all of it isn't stuff humanity invented, at the time, for the typical reasons humans have been inventing stuff since we were first able to reason?

Think of it this way... if there is a God, then God created me with the ability to think logically and skeptically about all things, including about mankind's interpretations of what God is. And God also created me with the ability to reject all current human interpretations of what God is and what God's rules might be, preferring instead to maintain an open mind. That's my expression of the "free will" God gave me and there is no possibility that I would ever respect any God that would give me free will and then punish me for exercising it.

Put another way, I could never worship or believe in any God that insisted upon worship and belief. The need to subjugate people that way is a human trait (sociopathic narcissism). It might be an alien race trait (if they exist). I find it extremely doubtful to be any all-powerful, all-loving God trait. What all-loving being would say "I love you, now kneel before me or else I'll cast you into the depths of Hell"?

Thanks, but no thanks.
 

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Conservatives have made a living for years off of straw men, things that aren't happening or are rare that they scare their voters into believing are taking over. They like to ban stuff that isn't happening. I seriously doubt many kindergarteners in Florida were being taught about transgenderism but their voters bought it nonetheless.

Is it okay for employers to make employees wear rainbow flags?

 
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Is it okay for employers to make employees wear rainbow flags?


How many employers are doing this? One or two? Conservatives however will portray it as almost everyone is being forced to march in a pride parade in a pink speedo throwing rainbow glitter and have gay sex at the end before being forced through a sex change operation. Who knows if anyone was ever discouraged from saying Merry Christmas anywhere. It became "war on Christmas "
 

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How many employers are doing this? One or two? Conservatives however will portray it as almost everyone is being forced to march in a pride parade in a pink speedo throwing rainbow glitter. Exactly my point.
I don’t know, but you didn’t answer my question.
 
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I'd imagine if you're required to wear a uniform provided by your employer as part of your employment than yes they should wear it. Otherwise they can quit. But that's irrelevant to the original point.

The employer in this situation is a professional rugby league team that commissioned a jersey to promote unity and inclusion. The jersey would be worn for one game only. The players who objected to wearing the jersey can do so. Of course, they might as well just say, “I’m a bigot.” But thats their choice.
 

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The players who objected to wearing the jersey can do so. Of course, they might as well just say, “I’m a bigot.” But thats their choice.
By definition YOU are a bigot.
“a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.”
 
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The employer in this situation is a professional rugby league team that commissioned a jersey to promote unity and inclusion. The jersey would be worn for one game only. The players who objected to wearing the jersey can do so. Of course, they might as well just say, “I’m a bigot.” But thats their choice.
Religious objection to wear a shirt = bigot?
 

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Dr. Prasad is a good follow on Twitter. And he is right. It's good to listen to people we disagree with. We don't have to agree, but maybe we can understand those we disagree with a little better. And maybe find some common ground. We may actually find we agree more on a range of topics than we disagree. It is a shame that younger people today are being taught to cancel and/or shut out thoughts they disagree with.

 

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By definition YOU are a bigot.
“a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.”

How often does the deflect card get played, where the bigot objects to their bigoted opinions being called out? It’s SOP propaganda.
 
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