Jim Harbaugh
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Holy straw man argument, Batman. I have never once felt any expectation or requirement or pressure to agree with the unarguably simple truth that black lives matter. What could possibly cause anybody to object to it?
BLM and Planned Parenthood are organizations. You can visit their websites and see the mission of these groups along with specific points they advocate and pursue. You can donate to these organizations.
The rainbow is a symbol. It is not an organization. The rainbow symbolizes inclusion and acceptance. It has been organically adopted by the LGBTQ community. One can’t opt in to the rainbow as it’s not an organization.
That is, of course, different than organizations such as BLM and Planned Parenthood.
This has been explained to you several times now.
I don’t refer to people in categories. Rather, they are people with common interests or traits. You can treat people as individuals on an individual level. But it’s perfectly reasonable and customary to recognize groups of people as well. I find it surprising that this needs to be explained.
How about Antifa?
Can I refuse to obey my employer’s directive to wear an Antifa shirt?
We are told Antifa is not an organization, but an idea. Like a symbol.
We are told Antifa has no organizational structure or office.
Thanks.
I don’t know much about Antifa other than it is a group of disruptive, far left agitators prone to violence. They are the left‘s version of far right groups, such as the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers, that actively participated in the violent invasion of the Capitol on Jan 6.
An employee can of course refuse to wear any item that their employers requires, and that employee would perhaps face consequences. I don’t think the employer would fare well in a dispute surrounding a required uniform showcasing antifa, either in a court of law or public opinion.
No, that’s a misrepresentation of my points throughout this discussion.
You are a ******* idiot. That is my feeling, but it is also correct.
His goal throughout is to find some gotcha response that will justify what he wants to justify. That is, that bigotry towards a group is acceptable if shrouded under someone’s religious beliefs. Of course, such a stance is unjustifiable, which is why he’s put forth this pretzel logic series of questions.
Your posts are full of false presuppositions, inconsistencies, and disingenuity
Wrong as it is, you’re entitled to your opinion. Note I’m not the one trying to equate an organically adopted symbol with actual organizations. Talk about inconsistencies. sheesh
Thanks. I agree re your opinions as well.
I’m not trying to change the world or “get” anyone here. Just enjoy discussing ideas and issues and seeing where others come down on them.
Have a good day.
Not sure where you get your info, but Antifa is listed as a domestic terror group by the FBI. Their adoption of a decentralized organizational structure, as many terrorist groups do, does not preclude the group from being considered an organization. Older domestic terrorist organizations, like the KKK, formed centralized organization structures. In the case of the KKK, that was, in part, due to there being a level of social acceptance for such overt racism at the time.
Most "modern" domestic terror organizations today recognize the capability and willingness of the FBI and Justice Department to track and prosecute any crimes they commit. Thus their preference for decentralization. This applies, more or less, to the many white supremacy oriented extremist groups across the country - which comprise the biggest domestic threat to our national security (at least according to the former administration's last domestic intelligence report).
Don't make me watch stupid videos of politicians posturing for cameras. That's one of the last places I would ever turn to for information if I actually cared to learn about something.
The FBI maintains a website that contains a wealth of publicly accessible information on this subject, including many source documents. Start there.
Cop out response.
I didn’t say I believe Antifa is just an idea. I said “we were told” that.
Then I posted short vids of the FBI and Biden telling us that.
Than you corrected me.
Hahaha
Have a good day mildly.
No, it's not a cop out response at all. Videos of politicians is not a valid source of information about most subjects.
The only real value of watching a video of politicians is verifying/confirming what some politician said. Otherwise, such videos are worse than useless, a total waste of time.
Also, I read far faster than people talk - most of us do. I have zero patience for sitting through some video of people talking to learn something. It's like running under water. Agonizingly slow.
Give me source documents to read, not propagandist material from some website, not videos of any politicians, but source documents. Politicians lie and obfuscate and deflect and generally have ulterior motives to whatever they're saying. All of them. Propagandist websites tell partial truths attempting to sell some narrative. All of them.
If you truly want to learn something about domestic terror groups, the FBI has plenty of source documents.
Wow.. very misleading post. When Trump wanted to get Antifa listed as a domestic terror organization there was so much resistance to that both among Dems and the media. The FBI was actually making statemenets that Antifa would be targeted to be attacked by right-wing domestic terror organizations.
Our legal system has always been secular--separate from the church. We have never been a theocracy. Religion influencing law is not the same thing. Marriage, for example, has always been civil. That's why even clergy have always said "by the power vested in me by the state of _____ I now declare you man amd wife." States only recognize marriage if it conforms to their minimum requirements. This is why people can go to a justice of the peace to get married, no church needed. You should certainly be happy this is so unless you can show me a theocracy that isn't or wasn't a repressive place with little freedom, lots of corruption and lots of brutality. Europe was very theocratic for a long time from 300AD until recently and it was not a new Jerusalem by any means. Overweening Christians had their way and did not do a good job. The separation of church and state not only keeps religion out of politics, it protects religion from politics. Thank God our founding fathers had more wisdom than many alive today trying to undo their work.
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Are the religious folks still believing that the universe is only about 6,000 years old or has that idea changed over time?
Huh?
You said you didn’t know where I got my info.
I said I got my info from the FBI Director and president Biden.
Please disregard the supporting video evidence.
Thanks.
His goal is also to do what I said the right has been doing for many years and what started a series of a hundred messages: fighting straw men. Whether or not this employer is in the right, it's a tiny, minor thing by one employer that has probably been covered 24/7 in some right wing media circles giving people the impression that soon every employee across America will be forced to wear what the Woke Mob tells them to wear unless patriots rise up. It's dangerous. And it has little to do with wokism. It's a marketing tactic used by a business to attract customers which no doubt thinks gay men might want to watch rugby players grappling on a field. If anything, it's an example of overpowerful business. All of the corporate rainbows you see these days are done to attract dollars and employees. Does Disney really care about gay rights? Probably not much, but Disney needs to attract the best artistic talent in the world to make $1 billion grossing movies and those people are often gay or pro-gay. Wall Street got behind gay marriage in New York for the same reason. Netflix saw a lot of people quit over the Dave Chapelle anti-trans flap. They want business to do what it wants until it does something they don't like.
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Which is more deception being used to stoke fear and outrage. As a gay man I personally am not a big fan of the over-the-top corporate sponsorship of this stuff and an entire month devoted to it. But most of that is driven by business looking to get gay and gay-friendly dollars (which is much of the Millenials and Gen Z), not Woke Mobs (of which I am also no great fan. They even attack their own.) Portraying this as wokeism taking over, as I see elected Republican officials doing over and over, is inaccurate and unconscionable. It's the new Red Scare.
So no free and open discussion on a message board.
Just approved topics and points of view.
And no hypotheticals!
I miss the Ministry of Propoganda.
Just approved topics and points of view.
And no hypotheticals!
I miss the Ministry of Propoganda.
That‘s not correct, Now, the mods could delete posts or the entire thread. But no poster is saying you can’t express your views.
Of course, posters can also develop opinions about you based on what you post. That’s part of the deal, and a potential cost to you. But don’t cry that you can’t express your thoughts.
Even though I may agree on some points the fact is in 2022 we are no longer a secular country as was intended.
“So no free and open discussion on a message board.”
The above sentence is not a cry, but rather a short summary of recent posts.
#NotFeelings
Actually, it’s ironic. You seem to level a claim at those who differ with you that they only have feelings and not substance to their thoughts. For the most part, responses to your posts have been substantive and persuasive, When you can’t logically counter, you fall back on “feelings.” And then, you cry about some misguided notion that you can express an opinion and have posters receive it without forming an opinion of you. That’s crying, and naive.
But here’s a question for you.
If you were a member of the rugby team highlighted in the linked article, would you wear the rainbow jersey? if not, why not?
Dinosaurs are a hoax, everyone knows that.
Interesting points. I will address one point here.
As a Christian, according to the Bible, I have liberty to wear rainbows, antifa symbols, gang colors, etc.
Per Yahweh, my and every other Christian’s decision like this comes down to individual conscience.
For example, would I read a Harry Potter book? No. Am I allowed to read Harry Potter books? Yes. Why won’t I? Other than I have no interest in the books, I also don’t want to entertain myself with something that God hates. In this case, God has made it clear he hates sorcery. Would violate my conscience.
In the pride flag jersey situation, I would not wear a pride flag because my conscience tells me not to wear a symbol of something that Yahweh hates. God tells us in the Bible that homosexual sex is an abomination. The pride flag celebrates homosexual conduct in addition to “pride,” which God says is sinful as well.
This Biblical doctrine is written about exhaustively under the title of Christian Liberty.
Thanks.
If that is the case then we should all be doing everything in our power to ensure that it remains a secular nation as intended and be pushing back against politicians that think our government should be guided by religion. In the current environment it happens to be right wing evangelical Christians but that should be the case should ANY religion try to deviate from the real founding principles of this country. That’s what people have fought and died for over the past decades.
FBI web site is a great suggestion.
Going by edited Video clips meant to prove a point is a bad idea . .
Just about every edited clip just show the part that backs up an agenda but many times if you watch the whole interaction you will find what was said in clip wasn't the whole strory and the person posting clip does't want the whole story known because it doesn't fit the agenda poster follows
Some of the same people who incessantly talk about original intent and strict construction as it applies to the second amendment curiously don't want to apply those ideas as rigorously to the first, which is more clear. Congress does not get into religion. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Hardline Christians had their chance for over 1000 years. They did not bring about a better world but they insist their way is the only way.
The powerful, right wing evangelical boogeyman has left the building.
Time to abandon that notion.
Please point out examples of right wing evangelical power dominating current government, social media, societal norms, corporate culture, advertising, marketing, music, movies, tv, books, etc.
If you believe modern day America is run or heavily influenced by right wing (you mean white) evangelicals, you are deluded and easily manipulated.
you think the problem today is right wing evangelical christians? What planet have you been on because the new religion of the left is the issue. Beliefs should be the central focal point and not religion
In this thread we've got posters making fun of some christians for believing (incorrectly) that the earth is 6k yrs but will hollar from the highest peek it's ok for a guy to dress in drag and think he's a girl.
bizzaro world man, bizzaro world
Roe v Wade was just overturned as a result of a decades long effort spearheaded by evangelicals to pack the court.
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