Jim Harbaugh

[MADHAT1]

All I know is that guy Jesus is considered by millions upon millions to be the Light of the World … The True Messiah and has somehow managed to keep relevant for over 2000+ years. Don’t be troubled HE still LOVES you and someday you will be enlightened.

Some might not see Jesus as you do and have a different opinion
But I tend to agree with you Millions of Christians would probably agree with what you say.

Those of the Jewish faith, not so much and probably disagree
I believe they number around 15-16 million world wide

The Jewish view of Jesus of Nazareth is that he was an ordinary Jewish man and, most likely, a preacher living during the Roman occupation of Israel in the 1st century C.E. The Romans executed him—and many other nationalistic and religious Jews—for speaking out against the Roman authorities and their abuses.
Jews just do not believe that Jesus was divine or the "son of God".


An estimated 1.8 billion or more than 24% of the world population identify themselves as Muslims. Islam is the official religion in 26 countries in Asia, sub-Saharan Africa, North Africa, and the Middle East.

Muhammad is venerated today as the Prophet of Islam and the “seal of Prophets” by his followers – the Muslims. Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last – hence the “seal” – of many prophets before him in Judaism and Christianity such as Adam, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jesus Christ, and others.
Muslims respect and venerate Jesus Christ. They consider him to be one of Almighty God’s greatest messengers to humankind. The Qur’aan re-affirms his miraculous birth and his miraculous abilities. Furthermore, his mother Mary is regarded as one of the most pure and exalted women of all creation.
But the Muslim religion denies that Jesus is the Son of God.
Believers in the Qur’aan love Jesus, honor him, and believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in Prophet Jesus.

 

[RUBOB72]

Using the analogy of Jesus and Mohammad has been attempted for over hundreds of years. The using that Jesus was an ordinary Jew is a hollow argument. The Jewish leadership surely according to recorded history didn’t think so and neither did the Roman Empire. Go back and do some more research. Nobody is telling you to believe in anything … you have a free will .

 

[RUBOB72]

Some might not see Jesus as you do and have a different opinion
But I tend to agree with you Millions of Christians would probably agree with what you say.

Those of the Jewish faith, not so much and probably disagree
I believe they number around 15-16 million world wide

The Jewish view of Jesus of Nazareth is that he was an ordinary Jewish man and, most likely, a preacher living during the Roman occupation of Israel in the 1st century C.E. The Romans executed him—and many other nationalistic and religious Jews—for speaking out against the Roman authorities and their abuses.
Jews just do not believe that Jesus was divine or the "son of God".


An estimated 1.8 billion or more than 24% of the world population identify themselves as Muslims. Islam is the official religion in 26 countries in Asia, sub-Saharan Africa, North Africa, and the Middle East.

Muhammad is venerated today as the Prophet of Islam and the “seal of Prophets” by his followers – the Muslims. Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last – hence the “seal” – of many prophets before him in Judaism and Christianity such as Adam, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jesus Christ, and others.
Muslims respect and venerate Jesus Christ. They consider him to be one of Almighty God’s greatest messengers to humankind. The Qur’aan re-affirms his miraculous birth and his miraculous abilities. Furthermore, his mother Mary is regarded as one of the most pure and exalted women of all creation.
But the Muslim religion denies that Jesus is the Son of God.
Believers in the Qur’aan love Jesus, honor him, and believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in Prophet Jesus.

And all venerate Mary as the Mother of the One True God.

 

[mdk02]

They do, with zero consequences.

Unless they teach at MIT, Princeton or Penn Law School.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Our legal system is based on English Common Law, which came from the Angles and Saxons. Our political systems derived mostly from ancient Greece and other republican experiments since. Our system is really not very Judeo-Christian, though certainly there was influence. This is another historical revision the right has pushed just like saying "the pilgrims founded America." Our legal system has never had to go through a Biblical filter like it has in many other places (Spain, Italy, etc and even those places have legal systems based in Roman law, which predates Christianity).

What he said that I objected to was saying it (our justice system) was based on Judeo Christian values. As if those values are unique to Christianity of any kind. Just a silly proposition, not to mention entirely subjective.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Some might not see Jesus as you do and have a different opinion
But I tend to agree with you Millions of Christians would probably agree with what you say.

Those of the Jewish faith, not so much and probably disagree
I believe they number around 15-16 million world wide

The Jewish view of Jesus of Nazareth is that he was an ordinary Jewish man and, most likely, a preacher living during the Roman occupation of Israel in the 1st century C.E. The Romans executed him—and many other nationalistic and religious Jews—for speaking out against the Roman authorities and their abuses.
Jews just do not believe that Jesus was divine or the "son of God".


An estimated 1.8 billion or more than 24% of the world population identify themselves as Muslims. Islam is the official religion in 26 countries in Asia, sub-Saharan Africa, North Africa, and the Middle East.

Muhammad is venerated today as the Prophet of Islam and the “seal of Prophets” by his followers – the Muslims. Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last – hence the “seal” – of many prophets before him in Judaism and Christianity such as Adam, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jesus Christ, and others.
Muslims respect and venerate Jesus Christ. They consider him to be one of Almighty God’s greatest messengers to humankind. The Qur’aan re-affirms his miraculous birth and his miraculous abilities. Furthermore, his mother Mary is regarded as one of the most pure and exalted women of all creation.
But the Muslim religion denies that Jesus is the Son of God.
Believers in the Qur’aan love Jesus, honor him, and believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in Prophet Jesus.

I am neutral as the existence of God, or Gods. Who knows? Not me.

But, with respect to religion and all that stuff you mentioned above, I'm pretty sure it's all human-created nonsense. And I most definitely do NOT believe in the God as described in most religious texts, or excerpts from religious texts, I've read.

I fully respect others desire to be religious and believe in whatever they wish. And I respect the good work that religious institutions often do (i.e. charitable work, social work in bringing people together).

But I have zero tolerance for anybody trying to impose their religion on me in any way. I find it incredibly rude for people to proselytize at me w/their religion.

 

[RC1991]

Our history as a Nation is undeniably founded in Christian-Judeo roots. To simplify and deny this factoid is part of the continued indoctrination of students from the mid 1950’s until what we have witnessed the past 25 years. Your political parties are both made up of a majority of Christian’s and Jews. Keep spewing the BS that religion is the problem in the world . If you like a place that adheres to that way of thinking …I would suggest Russia , China, North Korea , Cuba all wonderful places to start.

Sorry Bob but that is BS. The United States was founded as a secular nation that gave people the right to practice whatever religion they wanted but without said religion being incorporated within the government. You do realize that you right wing holy rollers are basically advocating for the same BS that you cry about with regard to countries like the Islamic Republic of Iran imposing their religious beliefs on their nation. You people are a bunch of friggin hypocrites.

 

[mildone_rivals]

And all venerate Mary as the Mother of the One True God.

No, not all.

Personally, I think Mary, if there was a Mary and it wasn't apocryphal, was cheating on Joseph and came up with a real doozy of a story to get out of trouble.

But you're free to believe otherwise.

 

[MADHAT1]

And all venerate Mary as the Mother of the One True God.

no they don't
They like her as a good woman and you're trying to make your beliefs theirs.
But I think Christians, Jews and Muslims believe the same when it comes to lying
and make no exception for if one misinforms in order to further a religious belief

edit:
"One True God."
Jesus is the only god?
What happened to the father and holy ghost, the son is the only one that counts ???
Is Jesus the creator of everything, including himself??

 

[RUBOB72]

No, not all.

Personally, I think Mary, if there was a Mary and it wasn't apocryphal, was cheating on Joseph and came up with a real doozy of a story to get out of trouble.

But you're free to believe otherwise.

Yes actually most do venerate Mary and the Son she bore. Muslims and even Jews have a special kinship with that Little Jewish boy. As for accusations against Mary …that is almost expected by those who claim to be anti Christian or religion. It goes with the territory . Keep this in mind as you may not realize almost 2/3 of Christians sometimes doubt their faith. Many have doubted The God of Abraham at some point. Adam, Eve, Abraham, Sara,Moses,David Elijah, John the Baptist . Even Jesus’ family and His disciples thought He was a little crazy. Don’t forget Jesus is God and took on the body of a human in order to show the frailty of mankind.

 

[RUBOB72]

no they don't
They like her as a good woman and you're trying to make your beliefs theirs.
But I think Christians, Jews and Muslims believe the same when it comes to lying
and make no exception for if one misinforms in order to further a religious belief

edit:
"One True God."
Jesus is the only god?
What happened to the father and holy ghost, the son is the only one that counts ???
Is Jesus the creator of everything, including himself??

Neither I nor anyone else can make you BELIEVE if you don’t wish to. You either will or won’t. You making this accusation towards me is the common refrain when someone puts religion in front of them. Is it hate ? Why do you fear .? You are blessed with a Free Choice. We don’t personally gain anything . Whether you trust the WORD or not makes little difference to others. If you don’t believe in an after life that is fine as well. Most people I know some of faith ( various beliefs) others who deny but will always for the most part say I would love to see my mother, father or even a deceased child after death. Did you ever ask about someone you once loved and cared for? To speak with them again . Or are you of the belief everything ceases to exist or ends completely upon death? Sad to have that type of thought process. Jesus is the Father and Son … the Holy Spirit or Ghost ( lol) is the Church itself. So it is still here and will survive even as the earth passes away. HIS Church and Words will reign forever.

 

[RUBOB72]

no they don't
They like her as a good woman and you're trying to make your beliefs theirs.
But I think Christians, Jews and Muslims believe the same when it comes to lying
and make no exception for if one misinforms in order to further a religious belief

edit:
"One True God."
Jesus is the only god?
What happened to the father and holy ghost, the son is the only one that counts ???
Is Jesus the creator of everything, including himself??

Where does the Christians , Muslims , Jews lying part enter into the thread…lol

 

[brgRC90]

What he said that I objected to was saying it (our justice system) was based on Judeo Christian values. As if those values are unique to Christianity of any kind. Just a silly proposition, not to mention entirely subjective.

A lot of people calling themselves Christians don't seem to know that other philosophies existed before and came up with similar ideas earlier, like the golden rule or a strong work ethic ("the protestant work ethic" seems to suggest nobody was very hard working for 1000s of years of civilization until Protestants came along). The heathen pyramids built themselves.

 

[brgRC90]

I have yet to hear anyone mention the most important reality of abortion as it applies to rights: some abortions are life-saving. The Supreme Court, which likes to emphasize the right to bear arms to preserve one's life (even though the constitution only mentions national defense), has now stated that even as a life-saving measure women have no constitutional right to abortion. They're at the mercy of politicians, some of whom actually want to ban even these abortions, even if the fetus is doomed. I would have more respect for the right if they were at least consistent sometimes.

 

[RUBOB72]

A lot of people calling themselves Christians don't seem to know that other philosophies existed before and came up with similar ideas earlier, like the golden rule or a strong work ethic ("the protestant work ethic" seems to suggest nobody was very hard working for 1000s of years of civilization until Protestants came along). The heathen pyramids built themselves.

I think most realize there have been hundreds of religions since time began. Even Jesus ( a Jew by birth ) understood that and I don’t believe HE did the hate thing with them. What is funny (but sad though ) is how some immediately attack Christianity when anyone mentions it. Media will criticize it but when the NBC Christmas tree is lighted they’ll all be there singing Joy To The World. Even the ladies from The View. We have truly lost our way in the World but mainly in this USA.

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

no they don't
They like her as a good woman and you're trying to make your beliefs theirs.
But I think Christians, Jews and Muslims believe the same when it comes to lying
and make no exception for if one misinforms in order to further a religious belief

edit:
"One True God."
Jesus is the only god?
What happened to the father and holy ghost, the son is the only one that counts ???
Is Jesus the creator of everything, including himself??

God does not and has not lied. His word is true.

As for the Holy Trinity, here is a good book by James White to help you see that the Bible demonstrates God is one being, three persons:




Jesus is not a created being—The Bible is clear on this truth.

I recommend you read or reread the Gospel of John.

Will clear up your confusion re Jesus Christ.

Thanks.

 

[brgRC90]

I think most realize there have been hundreds of religions since time began. Even Jesus ( a Jew by birth ) understood that and I don’t believe HE did the hate thing with them. What is funny (but sad though ) is how some immediately attack Christianity when anyone mentions it. Media will criticize it but when the NBC Christmas tree is lighted they’ll all be there singing Joy To The World. Even the ladies from The View. We have truly lost our way in the World but mainly in this USA.

There are certainly some who are too eager to attack Christianity but Christians need to ask why instead of assuming such people are evil and godless. A lot of Christians have brought the hostility on themselves--just as a lot of Woke Mob types have and deny responsibility by conveniently assuming anyone who doesn't like them must be an evil racist. The lesson for both is: If you beat people over the head with your moral superiority, and try to force your ideas on them (which both do), they will not like you and they will resist. You would too. Too many on both sides are trying to change minds in an obnoxious way that turns people off.

 

[RC1991]

God does not and has not lied. His word is true.

As for the Holy Trinity, here is a good book by James White to help you see that the Bible demonstrates God is one being, three persons:




Jesus is not a created being—The Bible is clear on this truth.

I recommend you read or reread the Gospel of John.

Will clear up your confusion re Jesus Christ.

Thanks.

Lots of laws being passed banning books and claiming to fight “indoctrination” in certain states yet that’s exactly what this book is. Pot meet kettle.

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

Lots of laws being passed banning books and claiming to fight “indoctrination” in certain states yet that’s exactly what this book is. Pot meet kettle.

An exposition on the biblical basis for the concept of the Holy Trinity is indoctrination?

If so then every book can be considered indoctrination.

#StrawsMeetGrasping

 

[mdk02]

Lots of laws being passed banning books and claiming to fight “indoctrination” in certain states yet that’s exactly what this book is. Pot meet kettle.

You mean you can't tell Kindergartners they're not racist oppressors? And book banning means not in K-6? Holy hyperbole Batman.

 

[brgRC90]

Lots of laws being passed banning books and claiming to fight “indoctrination” in certain states yet that’s exactly what this book is. Pot meet kettle.

One man's propaganda is another one's truth.

 

[yesrutgers01]

All I know is that guy Jesus is considered by millions upon millions to be the Light of the World … The True Messiah and has somehow managed to keep relevant for over 2000+ years. Don’t be troubled HE still LOVES you and someday you will be enlightened.

Not for nothing but you ever hear or read what happened to unwed pregnant women not only back in the days of Jesus but for most of the first couple thousand years of the Catholic Religion?
I'm not sure religion has any right in this conversation. Maybe we should go back to just sending any unwed mother away to disappear forever or worse. No one cared all that much about that unborn baby or the living mother.

 

[RC1991]

An exposition on the biblical basis for the concept of the Holy Trinity is indoctrination?

If so then every book can be considered indoctrination.

#StrawsMeetGrasping

Of course it is, especially if you want to argue that the books being banned are also being used for indoctrination. You people that complain about indoctrination and ban books are then pushing books that would seek to indoctrinate people into your religious beliefs. How about this, don’t ban books and let people figure out for themselves what they want to believe. Its wrong in schools and even more so in public libraries.

 

[RC1991]

You mean you can't tell Kindergartners they're not racist oppressors? And book banning means not in K-6? Holy hyperbole Batman.

Teaching American history from both perspectives is wrong? Trying to whitewash slavery by calling it involuntary relocation as is being pushed in some states isn’t the same thing? Forging treaties with indigenous peoples and then blatantly not honoring them shouldn’t be taught?

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

Of course it is, especially if you want to argue that the books being banned are also being used for indoctrination. You people that complain about indoctrination and ban books are then pushing books that would seek to indoctrinate people into your religious beliefs. How about this, don’t ban books and let people figure out for themselves what they want to believe. Its wrong in schools and even more so in public libraries.

“You people”?

2022 and you still use that expression?

Holy straw man, Batman!

I have never banned a book or called for the banning of a book.

I have also never requested a library stock books on the Holy Trinity.

If you have a post to the contrary, please link it.

Now, should pornography be permitted in school libraries? No.

You are a disingenuous pussycat.

 

[RUBOB72]

There are certainly some who are too eager to attack Christianity but Christians need to ask why instead of assuming such people are evil and godless. A lot of Christians have brought the hostility on themselves--just as a lot of Woke Mob types have and deny responsibility by conveniently assuming anyone who doesn't like them must be an evil racist. The lesson for both is: If you beat people over the head with your moral superiority, and try to force your ideas on them (which both do), they will not like you and they will resist. You would too. Too many on both sides are trying to change minds in an obnoxious way that turns people off.

Really ? We know why as we have been told so by that little Jewish boy . In the end of days ( even the climate change gang believes it’s the end soon). We are to bare witness to the fact that this hate which has gone on for years will reach a level not seen before. In this thread and ONLY this thread …I have not seen any hate put forward by the Jesus Christ supporters. Nobody used the term evil racist or incited words pertaining to wokeism or racism .On the contrary the entire thread has maintained a modicum of actual civil discourse. And where is the example of moral superiority? I think you are searching for a reason to flip what it originally was about.Christian’s will always try to change minds …they just won’t accept what today’s world wants them to believe. The non existence of a God because someone can’t physically see HIM.

 

[RUBOB72]

Really ? We know why as we have been told so by that little Jewish boy . In the end of days ( even the climate change gang believes it’s the end soon). We are to bare witness to the fact that this hate which has gone on for years will reach a level not seen before. In this thread and ONLY this thread …I have not seen any hate put forward by the Jesus Christ supporters. Nobody used the term evil racist or incited words pertaining to wokeism or racism .On the contrary the entire thread has maintained a modicum of actual civil discourse. And where is the example of moral superiority? I think you are searching for a reason to flip what it originally was about.Christian’s will always try to change minds …they just won’t accept what today’s world wants them to believe. The non existence of a God because someone can’t physically see HIM.

 

[RUBOB72]

INot for nothing but you ever hear or read what happened to unwed pregnant women not only back in the days of Jesus but for most of the first couple thousand years of the Catholic Religion?
I'm not sure religion has any right in this conversation. May

 

[RUBOB72]

Nobody was discussing unwed mothers . That in itself is an entirely different discussion. The original text was about Jesus Christ . Are you blaming Jesus Christ for the evils of society past and present? You know it’s common to do that where some have no belief in religions no matter which one they may follow. Jesus doesn’t need me or anyone else to answer for HIM.

 

[RC1991]

Nobody was discussing unwed mothers . That in itself is an entirely different discussion. The original text was about Jesus Christ . Are you blaming Jesus Christ for the evils of society past and present? You know it’s common to do that where some have no belief in religions no matter which one they may follow. Jesus doesn’t need me or anyone else to answer for HIM.

Ever hear of the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition? How about indigenous children being found in mass graves at former residential school being run by so called Christians (ie, the Catholic Church)? Is no different then the argument being made by the religious right that this country is founded on the basis of Christianity when that couldn’t be further from the truth.

 

[RUBOB72]

Sure people of all types religious and non religious do bad things . That is what evil is and continues to be. You can’t change history though many idiots think they can. You attempt to become better than your ancestors. Yea RC1991 there have been numerous instances of worse crimes of humanity unattached to a religion. You prove once again that your hatred certainly out ways any common sense. Was it all Catholics ? I doubt it. Was it done by all Christins. You seem to imply that reasoning. And the fact you mention only Catholics tells me a great deal. Similar to those feelings many Jews and Protestants have held for years towards Catholicism. Hate easily comes out especially when people don’t take a moment to think. So we’re these atrocities the result of the teachings of Jesus Christ? No , they came from those who were unable to reason and realize the hate they held within.

 

[fsg2_rivals]

So you complain that he singled out Catholics and in the same breath single out Jews and protestants?

Jesus, you're a hypocritical wanker.

 

[RC1991]

Sure people of all types religious and non religious do bad things . That is what evil is and continues to be. You can’t change history though many idiots think they can. You attempt to become better than your ancestors. Yea RC1991 there have been numerous instances of worse crimes of humanity unattached to a religion. You prove once again that your hatred certainly out ways any common sense. Was it all Catholics ? I doubt it. Was it done by all Christins. You seem to imply that reasoning. And the fact you mention only Catholics tells me a great deal. Similar to those feelings many Jews and Protestants have held for years towards Catholicism. Hate easily comes out especially when people don’t take a moment to think. So we’re these atrocities the result of the teachings of Jesus Christ? No , they came from those who were unable to reason and realize the hate they held within.

Cut me a break Bob, the Protestants and other Christian denominations have had their own examples, just look at all of the WASP white supremicists who have had it out against anyone who is different including Catholics as one example or the Catholic vs Protestant conflicts in N. Ireland. I was raised Catholic so I happen to know it best when it comes to the stuff that has happened in the name of the church. The atrocities were perpetuated on the so called Christian interpretation of those teachings of JC which were completely wrong. But it’s just like how the religious fanatics today like to cherry pick passages from the Bible and bend it to their need. And I include anyone who tries to use religion, any religion to justify human behavior and impart their beliefs on people to be fanatics. The holy rollers in this country are no better than those in other countries such as Iran that they like to rail on about. And they are especially hypocritical when they get caught doing the very things they are trying to pass off as evil if people that disagree with them are doing.

 

[RUBOB72]

I think most realize there have been hundreds of religions since time began. Even Jesus ( a Jew by birth ) understood that and I don’t believe HE did the hate thing with them. What is funny (but sad though ) is how some immediately attack Christianity when anyone mentions it. Media will criticize it but when the NBC Christmas tree is lighted they’ll all be there singing Joy To The World. Even the ladies from The View. We have truly lost our way in the World but mainly in this USA.

Remember Jesus never say this is HIS Christianity maybe that should be realized here. HE never said anything about Catholicism either. All HE ever said was , “ you are Peter and upon this Rock I will build my Church.” Can you figure out how the term Christianity became about and when Catholicism arrived on the scene.

 

[MADHAT1]

Where does the Christians , Muslims , Jews lying part enter into the thread…lol

not any religion lying, but since the Jewish faith and Muslim religion doesn't recognize Jesus as a god or the son of god:
You posting this "And all venerate Mary as the Mother of the One True God." could be considered lying
One can lol about that, but a good Christian might worry if that statement might be considered the sin of blasphemy by others that consider themselves Christian and a ticket to hell because of using her to lie about what other faiths say about Mary .

 

[RUBOB72]

Cut me a break Bob, the Protestants and other Christian denominations have had their own examples, just look at all of the WASP white supremicists who have had it out against anyone who is different including Catholics as one example or the Catholic vs Protestant conflicts in N. Ireland. I was raised Catholic so I happen to know it best when it comes to the stuff that has happened in the name of the church. The atrocities were perpetuated on the so called Christian interpretation of those teachings of JC which were completely wrong. But it’s just like how the religious fanatics today like to cherry pick passages from the Bible and bend it to their need. And I include anyone who tries to use religion, any religion to justify human behavior and impart their beliefs on people to be fanatics. The holy rollers in this country are no better than those in other countries such as Iran that they like to rail on about. And they are especially hypocritical when they get caught doing the very things they are trying to pass off as evil if people that disagree with them are doing.

Cut you a break ? Don’t worry you still have time to understand the context of what I wrote.,Have a great evening . God Bless Son

 

[mildone_rivals]

Yes actually most do venerate Mary and the Son she bore. Muslims and even Jews have a special kinship with that Little Jewish boy. As for accusations against Mary …that is almost expected by those who claim to be anti Christian or religion. It goes with the territory . Keep this in mind as you may not realize almost 2/3 of Christians sometimes doubt their faith. Many have doubted The God of Abraham at some point. Adam, Eve, Abraham, Sara,Moses,David Elijah, John the Baptist . Even Jesus’ family and His disciples thought He was a little crazy. Don’t forget Jesus is God and took on the body of a human in order to show the frailty of mankind.

Im not anti-Christian. I’m not anti-any religion. I just don’t believe in any of it.

I don’t believe in Santa or the Easter bunny but I celebrate Christmas and like chocolate bunny rabbits. Not believing in a thing is not the same as being anti that thing.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Now, should pornography be permitted in school libraries? No.

I would’ve got an A in that class. Woo hoo!

 

[mildone_rivals]

Really ? We know why as we have been told so by that little Jewish boy . In the end of days ( even the climate change gang believes it’s the end soon). We are to bare witness to the fact that this hate which has gone on for years will reach a level not seen before. In this thread and ONLY this thread …I have not seen any hate put forward by the Jesus Christ supporters. Nobody used the term evil racist or incited words pertaining to wokeism or racism .On the contrary the entire thread has maintained a modicum of actual civil discourse. And where is the example of moral superiority? I think you are searching for a reason to flip what it originally was about.Christian’s will always try to change minds …they just won’t accept what today’s world wants them to believe. The non existence of a God because someone can’t physically see HIM.

I don’t believe in the existence of a God as described in any religious texts because there is simply no evidence to support it that wasn’t conjured up by people. Conversely, there is all sorts of evidence against the existence of any singular perfect God. Has nothing to do with not being able to “see him”. I cannot see oxygen but I know it’s there. Because all the facts of oxygen’s existence are logical, and self-consistent.

 

[brgRC90]

Sure people of all types religious and non religious do bad things . That is what evil is and continues to be. You can’t change history though many idiots think they can. You attempt to become better than your ancestors. Yea RC1991 there have been numerous instances of worse crimes of humanity unattached to a religion. You prove once again that your hatred certainly out ways any common sense. Was it all Catholics ? I doubt it. Was it done by all Christins. You seem to imply that reasoning. And the fact you mention only Catholics tells me a great deal. Similar to those feelings many Jews and Protestants have held for years towards Catholicism. Hate easily comes out especially when people don’t take a moment to think. So we’re these atrocities the result of the teachings of Jesus Christ? No , they came from those who were unable to reason and realize the hate they held within.

Here's the problem with this: Christianity and other religions are supposed to temper people and make them nicer. If adherents actually become meaner, and usually such people can back up their meanness with scripture, it has to cast some doubt on the alleged perfection of that religion. It's too easy to just say "they weren't real Christians," just like lots of Muslims conveniently disavowed Osama bin Laden as not a true Muslim, when their behavior is being backed up, at least in part, by religious texts. That Old Testament can justify a lot of bad behavior.