If he wants to play at UK you take him with out questions. BUT he has offered a million dollars to play in the G league i just don't see him playing collage ball. Can he make that much in collage on the likeness ?
Jalen Duren reclassifying
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Think Zion. Nike will push him to Duke. They will promise him at large endorsement contract. They will do anything to make K’s final year a successful one. Lebron and his agent will have lunch with him.
Some people just look at number of bodies we have and say we don't need him. Yeah, we have Oscar, Collins, Ware and Toppin as bigs. If your main number one focus is getting these guys ready for the pro's, then yeah, we have enough bodies.
But if your number one priority and focus is to win the championship, then yeah, we need this guy. Worrying about minutes for guys? Forget that. Let them earn their way to the floor. All recruits should know from our coaches that this is Kentucky and Kentucky is going to continue recruiting the best they can get to win a championship. Not here to pamper and sacrifice wins and championships. They should know that they can be a part of it if they are willing to bust it and out work all of college basketball, that their time will come whether it be one, two, three or four years. Work hard enough your time will come. But there will be no guaranteed minutes. Most parents I would say would want their kids learning a work ethic at a young age, learning that it is up to them to put in the time and dedication to earn what they get, and not having anything just given to them. That system would serve them well for life after basketball.
But if your number one priority and focus is to win the championship, then yeah, we need this guy. Worrying about minutes for guys? Forget that. Let them earn their way to the floor. All recruits should know from our coaches that this is Kentucky and Kentucky is going to continue recruiting the best they can get to win a championship. Not here to pamper and sacrifice wins and championships. They should know that they can be a part of it if they are willing to bust it and out work all of college basketball, that their time will come whether it be one, two, three or four years. Work hard enough your time will come. But there will be no guaranteed minutes. Most parents I would say would want their kids learning a work ethic at a young age, learning that it is up to them to put in the time and dedication to earn what they get, and not having anything just given to them. That system would serve them well for life after basketball.
You know Cal, Coach O, Coach Chin, and Coach Lucas is putting the full court press on him. We have the best staff in the NCAA going right now! If anyone can pull this off it's all the guys I just mentioned above.
Similar situation to 2009-10.
Duren is a Cousins type (next level talent). Tshiebwe is a Patterson type (proven in college). Collins is like Orton (not physically, but just based on raw potential). Brooks is like Stevenson (proven upperclassman who hasn’t really reached his potential). Ware is like Harrellson (upperclassman with potential that hasn’t really played much).
What if Cal would have said, “We have Patterson, Orton, Stevenson, and Harrellson, we don’t have room for Cousins.”
You have to take Duren, just like we had to take Cousins.
Duren is a Cousins type (next level talent). Tshiebwe is a Patterson type (proven in college). Collins is like Orton (not physically, but just based on raw potential). Brooks is like Stevenson (proven upperclassman who hasn’t really reached his potential). Ware is like Harrellson (upperclassman with potential that hasn’t really played much).
What if Cal would have said, “We have Patterson, Orton, Stevenson, and Harrellson, we don’t have room for Cousins.”
You have to take Duren, just like we had to take Cousins.
The difference is there hasn't been a change in head coaches. Cal brought all of these guys in.
Oscar came here with a certain understanding. Collins was recruited with a certain understanding. Ware and Brooks chose to stay with a certain understanding.
That's not to say any or all of them would be unhappy. But it isn't what they signed up for and I don't think it's understandable in the same way as when a new coach is hired.
Good point. Still, though, you MUST take Duren if he’s willing to come. He’s a game changer and immediate impact player from day 1 IMO.
I agree. This team is missing that elite talent.
I think this is all ultimately moot anyway. But I do think it would cost us a guy currently on the roster.
Good point.
Still those guys expected to play when they decided to come back. Still they had to sacrifice when Cal added another piece.
They had the opportunity to transfer. So will our current guys. It’s even better for the guys now because they won’t have to sit out if they transfer.
Bottom line: if Duren wants to come here, you take him and let what happens, happen.
Agreed on all points. I don’t think he comes here. I wouldn’t be shocked if he did, I just don’t see it. Probably goes to Miami or Memphis IMO.
I think even with no Duren that Brooks may not play 25-30mpg. He or Toppin will, but not both. And Collins will get some.
Does Cal guarantee minutes? Does Cal guarantee starting positions? Does Cal guarantee certain players he won't bring in a better player than them? Do players not have to earn their minutes anymore? This day and time, do no college teams just play their best seven no matter who they are? Is it just not possible to have at least 12 scholarship players every year with no deals or guarantees for any of them? Get the 12 or 13 best you can with NO deals or guarantees and go with it. Coach'em up the best you can and go with it. At least the seven or eight best will be on the floor most of the time getting better and better.
You don’t have to make guarantees to have sold a player on their role before wildly changing the circumstances on them months before the season.
We shouldn’t not recruit Derrick Lively because Ware and Toppin may still be here, however it would be messed up to sell them a Bill of goods for them to come back, and then months before the season “oh hey, thanks for coming back, the #1 player in America reclassed and is coming, you’re not playing next year to the point where people are discussing you redshirting”
We can’t not accept Duren, but if we do, Cal better do his best to make sure Ware and Brooks are happy.
This discussion is pointless anyways, how many times are we going to obsess over players that have been bought already?
Hardy probably had G-League money in his account for 3 months before his decision, Cade’s brother had already been hired, Duren’s friend is hired, Zion had been ineligible to play at any school but Duke for 2 years by the time it was time for him to play.
Hardy probably had G-League money in his account for 3 months before his decision, Cade’s brother had already been hired, Duren’s friend is hired, Zion had been ineligible to play at any school but Duke for 2 years by the time it was time for him to play.
Clarke and Boston were supposed to be better than anyone on Kentucky's roster last year, and that center that went to Memphis was going to be a star. How did all tat turn out ? You never know how good someone is until he does it on the floor. Just because someone is supposed to be a super star, doesn't mean they will be. Duren may be better than anyone on Kentucky's roster, and there is just as good of a chance that he will not be.
Clarke and Boston not panning out is an anecdotal experience. Clarke was hurt, and Boston’s play style just really didn’t click in a Calipari system
The vast majority of top 10 prospects are very good college players for a year before becoming NBA players.
James Wiseman was excellent in his 3 games at Memphis before Penny the Jackass got caught paying him, and he will be a good pro for a long time. Would have been a 20/10 type at UK that likely would’ve had us as title favorites for an NCAA tournament that didn’t happen.
Duren is a superb talent and barring unfortunate circumstances, will be a top 2 pick as soon as he’s eligible for the draft. If he plays a year in college he’ll average a double double and as a 17 year old he will be absolutely bullying most post players in America.
I take some solace knowing three things. First, Bru knows everybody in Philly and you just know he's on it, deeply. Second, Duren would be the poster child for NIL at UK setting a marker for all future recruiting. Third, Duren's analysis of his potential long range NBA financial gains by doing a year of college sounds like something right out of the distinctively forward looking coaching staff at UK. I am imagining that UK has already hatched a plan to set the national standard for NIL dollars.
Just who was that coach who figured out how focused one-and-done recruiting would be a winner?
Just who was that coach who figured out how focused one-and-done recruiting would be a winner?
Yeah, Torres talked about it on his YouTube channel. Duren also mentioned the G league money was not a factor bc he didn't care for bling or material stuff. I think he’s looking at college as a better long term investment into his basketball career.
You can make more in the long run by going to college. How many times does anyone get to watch these g league guys? Everyone watches you in college and there are a million more kids wanting gear connected to college stars than this g league crap. It is all about exposure which college players have and g league does not. Exposure. That's the name of the game when it comes to making money in sports. Exposure man exposure.