How does a person that makes an average wage even live there?
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My friend has a cousin who worked for UCLA as an Assistant Track and Field Coach. He had to live an hour and change away from Westwood due to cost of living. He's married and wife works too. They couldn't afford to live near campus.
As a side note to this story-same situation was the case for their training staff and they would have players call them up at 3 am asking for Advil after partying/being hungover and when the trainer said he'll see them tomorrow at practices--they'd relay it to a coach and he'd make them drive down from where they live to tend to a hungover athlete.
I can't imagine trying to live there. Just do not see how a normal person can earn enough to have anything there.
How is Hardy not the consensus Number #1 player? Banchero and Holmgren are definitely the weakest top 2 there has been in the 247 rating era.
If Banchero went to UK or somewhere on the West coast he wouldnt be anywhere near the top 5. There is nothing that he is elite at, while Hardy is Elite at everything on offense.
That’s the same thing I’ve been wondering. Haven’t seen that mentioned, either way.
Always thought it was hilarious and downright absurd when I used to get silly job offers to go out there. Like $25-$30 an hour. Told them they would have to find them a naive greenhorn for that BS.
I'm amazed people aren't leaving so fast that there isn't gridlockAlways thought it was hilarious and downright absurd when I used to get silly job offers to go out there. Like $25-$30 an hour. Told them they would have to find them a naive greenhorn for that BS.
Jackie Pilgrim loves him..says he's going to be one of the biggest misses Cal has had ay UK..that may not be saying much, Jack's not the sharpest knife in the kitchen..
I think he'll be a good college player, reminds me of TJD at Indiana.. I can see him playing a couple of years at Duke
I had a friend move there for a new job (LA). he was manager of a tire store. Now this was 20 years ago and he was going to make around $75,000/year. Sounds great since the same job here in western KY would have paid around $25,000. He was all excited about making that much more. When he got there and had to rent an apartment, he ended up paying around $1,300/month for one that would cost around 350-400/month here. Sound good when you hear it but the cost of living is higher there. Factor in the high taxes and other costs and he ended up bringing home LESS money than if he had the same job here. He stayed a year and came back. Plus he said the people were just uniquely different there. (that's putting it nicely...lol).
Lots of common sense and logic in this thread, and yet we know what will happen Saturday. If Hardy picks UK, it will be the biggest recruiting shocker in the Cal era.
I want to be shocked and awed. We need a full summer of good news.
I want to be shocked and awed. We need a full summer of good news.
That is apples to oranges comparison. You should compare a guy who did well in G league to a guy who did well in college.
If Green had sucked in G league then he would’ve seen his draft stock drop as much or more than Boston. Neither place will hide you if you don’t have “it”.
Were you as frustrated as me with Monk's overall game sometimes? I probably over-hype what he could have been, but I just thought his athleticism was perfectly suited for basketball and there was no reason he couldn't rebound or defend much better than he showed at UK. But, offensively I was enamored. I just thought the way he floated on the court and could rise up on a dime were about as spectacular as I had seen.
Jack Pilgrim literally knows NO MORE about recruiting than anyone on this board.
Thanks, Richie. I see where you're coming from. To me in those clips, Beal looked really strong - the FL freshmen clip surprised me by how strong and mature he looked even then. It also didn't look like Beal forced things, and he stayed with his shot and the play so that on misses he was often ready to put back his own shot.
In the Hardy clip, I thought he looked to have a prettier shot than Beal - although I know all that matters is whether it goes in or not. I also thought Hardy looked to be a little better quick twitch athlete, but Beal looked to be sturdier built.
Yes, sir. I felt the exact same way. Was amazing that he didn’t rebound, defend or take the ball to the basket better than he did, with all that athleticism. His athleticism was off the charts. I was also enamored with his offensive game.
And many people say that about Kentucky for different reasons. Lot's of reasons to live in California. Not the least of which being close to the ocean, which is a big draw for some. And the cost of living is so high because people want to be there. That's one of the main reasons the cost of living is low in many rural areas. And finally, there are lots of folks who don't mind paying taxes for the services received by society in general.
I know that most on this board don't share that view, and that's why they live in Kentucky. Different strokes.
You can’t that’s why people are leaving in droves, there are still nice parts of California but most big cities are filled with trash and homeless drug addicts everywhere. Poop on the streets and somehow they even managed to have the bubonic plague run amok again in some parts. It’s a beautiful state that has been ruined by the worst politics ever that’s trying to infest the entire country.
He was what he was, a great off the bench spark plug scorer in the NBA. Obviously his talent was way enough to crush college. A Jamal Crawford without the handle. If he ever did refine those parts of his game he will be a solid player for many years. Seems like he’s getting more of a chance lately so I suppose he is improving in some areas.
The NBA isn't really pushing the G-League. The created this as a retort to players more and more considering leaving the states for Overseas because of money. The NBA just didn't want the top HS players going overseas where they might be enticed to stay versus returning to the NBA after a year.
But they didn't change the entrance rules. HS players have always been able to go straight to the G-League. The difference was, before the G-League salary was capped at like $75,000, which applied to even the HS players. Now they have created this exception where they are allowed to pay more for HS kids.
As much as people have worried that this G-League thing was going to take off, it was always an iffy idea. Without throwing a ton of money at it to market it, and create a fanbase, it was never going to self support itself, and with the dwindling interest in sports overall, it will need a lot of work to survive. Depending on the NIL rules that the NCAA comes up with, it's death may be sooner rather than later. Shoe companies have been paying more to players to attend certain schools for years. Now with NIL, most of that may not even be illegal.
Chet has awesome potential, but I’m not sure that he’ll be a dominant college player.
I really like Banchero and wouldn’t have a problem with him being first in the class. I see a whole lot of Julius Randle in his game. I think Banchero and Hardy should be 1 and 2 in whatever order you prefer.
Holmgren looks like he’d get knocked over by a light breeze.
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I think you’re right. If they don't change some things and work on marketing, the GL option is going to flame out.
Not only that, but if the only GL option is one California based team, well, that doesn't sound very enticing to me. Especially with the tax issue.
We saw it last year, Terrance Clarke didn’t want to play with Greene, so he went to UK. I assume that’s going to happen a lot and how many players can one team handle anyway?
I mean, we always seem to have to worry about being overcrowded at certain positions, well, I have to believe that one GL team is going to have that issue too.
My questions now are, what kids have already chosen to go to the GL? How many play the 2 spot? And are there any players signed on that Jaden might not want to play with?
I'm hoping he has played with Tyty and would like to play with him at UK instead of player x in the GL.
I agree. But the same breeze (or less) will take our guy Collins out as well, right? I hope Tshiebwe doesn't break our guy before the season even begins.
While i will agree with the Bradley Beal / Jaden Hardy comps, Bradley Beal and Jeff Sheppard (while a fine player), should NEVER been mentioned in the same sentence. Not a knock on Shep, but good lord, Beal is on a totally different level.
Ranking two guards under Cal at UK
1. Jamal Murray
1A. Malik Monk
3. Devin Booker
4. Doron Lamb
5. Aaron Harrison
6.Eric Bledsoe
Ranking two guards under Cal at UK
1. Jamal Murray
1A. Malik Monk
3. Devin Booker
4. Doron Lamb
5. Aaron Harrison
6.Eric Bledsoe
I saw Randle go through his legs and dunk in a game in high school, unless I am missing something Banchero isn't anywhere near that kind of athlete.
There is also the issue of what happens if you are undraftable after a year? Do you get to stay on the team and get paid the same, or do they basically make you a free agent, where you probably get a normal G-League contract worth about $50,000 or so?
Just my opinion, but I think this was basically to make the NCAA start allowing players to profit in one way or the other. The NBA doesn't want a development league, and they don't want to be sitting in high school gyms either. What they truly want is for colleges to do the enticing, so that they can foot the bill for development, and the NBA doesn't have to do anything. The evidence for this is how much they pay regular G-League players. If they truly wanted a development league, they would pay enough to entice the really good players to try to get there through that versus going overseas.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to numbers. With the average NBA career hovering around 5 years, it basically means you really only have room for 2 players every year, and guess what, that's exactly how many players you draft a year. So as a team, you only want a few players in development in case 1 of your picks doesn't pan out. There is only so much room on an NBA roster, and it is financially better for those teams to see guys against good competition, and be more sure about their picks than trying to develop a guy you took a chance on, who in the end may never develop.
That's true and Collins might be similar, but I don't know about Holmgren. Some guys look skinny but sturdy out there. Anthony Davis I always thought even in his high school videos looked sturdy even though he was rail thin. Broad shoulders and wide hips with a good base. Holmgren just looks frail out there to me like he's on the verge of snapping in half at all times. We'll see in time.
Ive made this same agrument before. Chets frame isn’t promising IMO kid has skill don’t me wrong but man he just looks fragile.
Yup, I was wondering about this as well. I'm thinking that LA team has the option to move the undraftable guys over to other teams after 1 year, I mean, they would have to, if not, they would end up with 30 players after a few years.
But the scary thing, in my opinion, is if you go to the GL and you don't progress, you could end up being stuck there. You’re playing against better players that are older and want to get their shot at the nba too.
I don't see that happening to Hardy, I think he's an NBA lock, but the more I look at the GL, the more turned off I get. It seems like a really bad option.
Right there with you on this. And it seems like others have the same opinion. Last year the ignite team got 4 guys from high school ranks and had a few more they were targeting. This year it seems like everyone besides foster is opting for college.
30% of that is federal though. You can argue that 11% tax rate on $500k is too high, but that's the only part coming from California.
Also, you'd still clear like $12k a month at 18 years old to play basketball. It makes sense why a kid would choose that route for a year, especially if he believes he's a top 5 pick either way or doesn't like school. Factor in food, gear, etc from the team and endorsement possibilities and it beats playing for free.
Now, you can get that tax free if you don't mind living in Baton Rouge.
We need Hardy. His addition would make this team an actual final four contender next season. I have heard Cal still has hopes that we get him, and hasn’t relented a bit in his recruitment. That alone is a good thing. Don’t know how strong his desire is to play college ball, but if he does, seems we are in the drivers seat. Cal just recruiting against money at this point. NIL should be good to go beginning in July, and could prove to be a big selling point this late in the game. Kid could make more in Lex than in G-League next year.
Good point about Davis' build. You could tell he could take good weight and be stronger. I don't see that with Holmgren at all either. Even at UK before he really developed I never thought of Davis as weak. He battled. I think Jackson has some of that same build qualities with his shoulders. I think Collins, on the other hand, is much weaker and less ready. We'll see where he's at when the season begins, but right now I don't think he's ready for starting type minutes - from a strength or skill standpoint. I don't think it would be in UK's best interest, or his.
A $500k salary in CA would have an effective tax rate of 42.09% (29.09 fed, 3.7 FICA, 9.3 state, 0 local).
A $500k salary in Lexington would have an effective tax rate of 40.51% (29.09 fed, 3.7 FICA, 5 state, 2.75 local).
It's really not that big of a difference. Also CA has a progressive tax structure where lower earners pay a lower effective rate. A $50k salary in CA would have an effective tax rate of 19.35% whereas the same salary in Lexington would have a rate of 23.76%.
Don’t start talking like you have sense. Lol at people thinking their 40k was also going to be taxed at 42%
Well...you're so indoctrinated you're a lost cause. You live a triggered life huh? DO this whole board a favor and find somewheren else to spew your trash.