Jacob Young

[RUInsanityToo]

From what I saw I can understand why Jacob would leave and feel like he was mistreated. Most players and people are “me” guys. Most people don’t stay at their jobs forever.

do you think our “loyal” players would stay if they were benched while others played with a fraction of the effort and missed shots and made mistakes too.

I like Pike a lot. Fantastic guy for this organization. He says he plays the best and is fair to the rest. It’s a great saying but it isn’t 100% true.

You'll have to expand on your definition of "mistreated" with examples. If he was feeling that way near top in mpg and usage rate..... it only feeds into my definition of a "me" guy.

As to your "most people don't stay at their jobs forever".....what is the % of NCAA players who play for 3 different High Major programs over a 5 year playing career? They would be equivalent of a person working for 24 different fortune 500 companies over a 40 year working career. Sometimes people need a change to find themselves and suceed.....but some people are just unhappy by nature and looking to lay blame at what is holding them back instead of making it work within the framework, team and system.

PS.......I loved JY on this team and sad to see him go. But the poster I was responding to was obviously trolling Pike.

 

[needmorecowbell]

Ding ding ding! Def a winner here

Big surprise. Classic I know more than the coaching staff. He had a similar issue at Texas.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Am I the only one who thinks , game in and game out, Geo is just as valuable to the team as Jacob?

You'll have to expand on your definition of "mistreated" with examples. If he was feeling that way near top in mpg and usage rate..... it only feeds into my definition of a "me" guy.

As to your "most people don't stay at their jobs forever".....what is the % of NCAA players who play for 3 different High Major programs over a 5 year playing career? They would be equivalent of a person working for 24 different fortune 500 companies over a 40 year working career. Sometimes people need a change to find themselves and suceed.....but some people are just unhappy by nature and looking to lay blame at what is holding them back instead of making it work within the framework, team and system.

PS.......I loved JY on this team and sad to see him go. But the poster I was responding to was obviously trolling Pike.

He and Mathis were yanked from the starting lineup because they weren’t playing under control.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

He left Texas because he didn’t get playing time.

Not sure why he left RU.

I hate players leaving. I also can’t understand why in the workplace it is now viewed as a negative to be at your company forever.

Jacob Young was extremely inportant to 2020-21. I loved the energy he brought defensively. I didn’t like leaning on him offensively. I also think him leaving could help our chances for 2021-22. I am petrified defensively, but offensively Baker and Harper don’t mesh with Young. Young without a ball in his hands didn’t work either.

 

[Randal7]

Here's another to satiate that hunger ... Full audio drops Sunday morning

 

[Degaz-RU]

I don't know any of the behind the scenes issues, and there are certain posters on the Round Table who are certain the "chemistry" issues last year were Geo's "fault," but what I do know is this:

The team played better in 2019-20 than it played in 2020-21, and I think part of the reason is that JY was more of a role player in 2019-20 but then was an equal "star" (or at least thought he should be) with Geo and Harper in 2020-21. It doesn't really matter whose "fault" it was, but the fact is that this team played better with Geo/Ron taking the lead role in 2019-20 and JY taking the "supporting cast" role.

I think that JY's departure -- combined with the additions of Jaden Jones and Jalen Miller, and the likely improvement of Mawot Mag -- will end up being a net positive for this team, as I think the balance of power and team chemistry will be restored.

• Geo and Harper as the clear leaders and -- to the extent such a thing exists on a Pike team -- stars
• Mulcahy, McConnell, Hyatt as the key lieutenants
• Cliff and Jaden as the young bucks and rising stars
• Agee, Reiber, Mag, Miller, Palmquist as the role players

There is a symmetry here that I think sets up better for team chemistry.

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

I don't know any of the behind the scenes issues, and there are certain posters on the Round Table who are certain the "chemistry" issues last year were Geo's "fault," but what I do know is this:

The team played better in 2019-20 than it played in 2020-21, and I think part of the reason is that JY was more of a role player in 2019-20 but then was an equal "star" (or at least thought he should be) with Geo and Harper in 2020-21. It doesn't really matter whose "fault" it was, but the fact is that this team played better with Geo/Ron taking the lead role in 2019-20 and JY taking the "supporting cast" role.

I think that JY's departure -- combined with the additions of Jaden Jones and Jalen Miller, and the likely improvement of Mawot Mag -- will end up being a net positive for this team, as I think the balance of power and team chemistry will be restored.

• Geo and Harper as the clear leaders and -- to the extent such a thing exists on a Pike team -- stars
• Mulcahy, McConnell, Hyatt as the key lieutenants
• Cliff and Jaden as the young bucks and rising stars
• Agee, Reiber, Mag, Miller, Palmquist as the role players

There is a symmetry here that I think sets up better for team chemistry.

Sounds like you're casting a movie, lol. I hope your optimism becomes reality, but imo it's a huge question mark for our offense to find scoring to replace losing three of our top five scorers, not to mention Myles' contributions on defense and the defense of JY and MM. Geo and Ron are going to have to become more consistent scorers, which is what you're implying. The key to me is on the offensive side of the ball, and it's going to take a few games for the players to settle in and for Pike to find the best rotations. There is talent offensively, but the reality remains to be seen.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I don't know any of the behind the scenes issues, and there are certain posters on the Round Table who are certain the "chemistry" issues last year were Geo's "fault," but what I do know is this:

The team played better in 2019-20 than it played in 2020-21, and I think part of the reason is that JY was more of a role player in 2019-20 but then was an equal "star" (or at least thought he should be) with Geo and Harper in 2020-21. It doesn't really matter whose "fault" it was, but the fact is that this team played better with Geo/Ron taking the lead role in 2019-20 and JY taking the "supporting cast" role.

I think that JY's departure -- combined with the additions of Jaden Jones and Jalen Miller, and the likely improvement of Mawot Mag -- will end up being a net positive for this team, as I think the balance of power and team chemistry will be restored.

• Geo and Harper as the clear leaders and -- to the extent such a thing exists on a Pike team -- stars
• Mulcahy, McConnell, Hyatt as the key lieutenants
• Cliff and Jaden as the young bucks and rising stars
• Agee, Reiber, Mag, Miller, Palmquist as the role players

There is a symmetry here that I think sets up better for team chemistry.

Are there multiple posters who are certain? I have always thought it as a possibility based just on my observation on the floor.

I agree 100% with your balance of power analysis. It is unfortunate that we need to have one of our important players leave in order for the hierarchy to be in place.

Maybe Eugene and Jacob were real issues and tough to be on a team with. I can't help thinking maybe it is a 2 way street and our current core could bare partial blame.

Saying there were no chemistry issues with Eugene and then Jacob is flat out ignoring reality. Saying every team has issues and factions and this is no more than other teams is a valid argument.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Young was never, ever at any point in time, going to be the 1st or 2nd option on any Power 5 program anywhere.

1. Didn’t we make the NCAA tournament having Jacob Young with a usage rate as the top of the B1G along with Garza?

2. What the heck does that say about Harper and Baker? They became secondary options to a guy that was never going to be a 1 or 2 option in a Power 5 program.

3. Maybe there is a small possibility it is actually Geo and Ron that are negative influences? Isn’t it possible? If I go to the store and buy organic blueberries to put in my cereal and smoothie and both my cereal and smoothie taste bad my 1st instinct is not to think my cereal is bad.

4. I think you need to go back and rewatch some of our games. See what players brought energy and which ones didn’t. See who dove on the floor and who watched teammates dive. Who sulked when things didn’t go their way. Who shot arrows in to crowd when they finally made a shot and who got us a steal that clinched the NCAA tournament.

 

[Randal7]

1. Didn’t we make the NCAA tournament having Jacob Young with a usage rate as the top of the B1G along with Garza?

2. What the heck does that say about Harper and Baker? They became secondary options to a guy that was never going to be a 1 or 2 option in a Power 5 program.

3. Maybe there is a small possibility it is actually Geo and Ron that are negative influences? Isn’t it possible? If I go to the store and buy organic blueberries to put in my cereal and smoothie and both my cereal and smoothie taste bad my 1st instinct is not to think my cereal is bad.

4. I think you need to go back and rewatch some of our games. See what players brought energy and which ones didn’t. See who dove on the floor and who watched teammates dive. Who sulked when things didn’t go their way. Who shot arrows in to crowd when they finally made a shot and who got us a steal that clinched the NCAA tournament.

#4 is so true. Who brought it every night? Gotta ask that Q

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

#4 is so true. Who brought it every night? Gotta ask that Q

Ask Marcus Carr

 

[kcg88]

1. Didn’t we make the NCAA tournament having Jacob Young with a usage rate as the top of the B1G along with Garza?

2. What the heck does that say about Harper and Baker? They became secondary options to a guy that was never going to be a 1 or 2 option in a Power 5 program.

3. Maybe there is a small possibility it is actually Geo and Ron that are negative influences? Isn’t it possible? If I go to the store and buy organic blueberries to put in my cereal and smoothie and both my cereal and smoothie taste bad my 1st instinct is not to think my cereal is bad.

4. I think you need to go back and rewatch some of our games. See what players brought energy and which ones didn’t. See who dove on the floor and who watched teammates dive. Who sulked when things didn’t go their way. Who shot arrows in to crowd when they finally made a shot and who got us a steal that clinched the NCAA tournament.

1. The "first option" argument is a red herring. Who cares? Did Jacob Young make our offense meaningfully better? I would say he did in 2021. He definitely did not do that in 2020 (in fact he made it worse, I would argue). For 2022 my outlook for our offensive production would be virtually unchanged if JY decided to transfer back to Rutgers tomorrow.

2. They were injured and likely worse than we knew. They were obviously big pieced on the 2020 team that would've made the tournament... Myles and Yeboah were also very important.

3. This is possible but I would say it's more likely that Omoruyi and Young's issues, so far as they exist, are with Pikiell and not with Baker and Harper. Maybe some of that is tied to Pikiell's usage of Baker and Harper at the expense of Young and Omoruyi. But I'm not sure the 2020 team is better if Omoruyi stays. And as stated above I don't think the 2022 team would be better with Young here. (Note: The 2021 team WOULD have been better with Omoruyi, and him taking a year off to rehab his knee and playing here would have been the best outcome for Rutgers)

4. Sure, Young had the steal and won us the Minnesota game. What about the other Minnesota game, when JY shot 3-8 and turned it over 6 times while Baker shot 5-8 (plus 4-4 at the line)? That matters just as much in terms of Rutgers getting to the tournament.

You are correct that Harper and Baker were guilty of a lack of effort. I spent a whole post documenting it with video evidence. However, I do not believe Harper and Baker are the kinds of players you're implying they might be. I think they were injured for most of the year and quite frankly 75% of them was a better option than what would've happened if they aggravated their injuries and had to miss real time. In hindsight I can make sense of the lackadaisical play that plagued this team at times. In 2022 with a deeper team and, ideally, better health, it shouldn't be an issue and if it is then that is on Pikiell.

 

[Plum Street]

Well you said the same thing about Eugene O and whiffed on that one big time.

either way for the 2nd time in 3 years we lost our best player who lost faith in pike.

I am fine with that every year if we keep making the tournament with a deep run possible. Sign me up

 

[Plum Street]

Young gave us our greatest performance in 40 years with the ncaa tournament on the line at minnesota. He got that ticket punched. Now he’s gone, and I am more interested in our current team .

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Kcg,

Yes I am overdoing it with Baker and Harper and their effort. No one plays 100% every possession and it is only human to let poor play on one end to impact the other. It is real easy for a fan eating $7 popcorn to pick apart players.

Young drove me crazy offensively. No debate from me there. He didn’t drive me crazy when he scored though. I do agree a Young led offense is flawed and has a low ceiling AND leads to skilled offensive players not getting looks and then potentially get frustrated and ultimaely lead to jogging back on D.

Agree with you on 2. I really don’t know what to think about 3. If I had to guess both parties could be guilty. If I were on Eugene’s team and he took a charge and he asked for teammates to pick him up and act like he was better than everyone I’d want to tell him to get up himself.

 

[RUChoppin]

1. Didn’t we make the NCAA tournament having Jacob Young with a usage rate as the top of the B1G along with Garza?

2. What the heck does that say about Harper and Baker? They became secondary options to a guy that was never going to be a 1 or 2 option in a Power 5 program.

3. Maybe there is a small possibility it is actually Geo and Ron that are negative influences? Isn’t it possible? If I go to the store and buy organic blueberries to put in my cereal and smoothie and both my cereal and smoothie taste bad my 1st instinct is not to think my cereal is bad.

4. I think you need to go back and rewatch some of our games. See what players brought energy and which ones didn’t. See who dove on the floor and who watched teammates dive. Who sulked when things didn’t go their way. Who shot arrows in to crowd when they finally made a shot and who got us a steal that clinched the NCAA tournament.

A usage rate inflated by high turnovers in both his years here (and you know my feeling on usage rate as a stat). Still would be higher than average, though, because Young has always been more of a volume shooter.

As to #4, that's a case by case basis. Plenty of times where Young was the sparkplug who brought energy we desperately needed and shook things up. But there were also plenty of times when he'd give up a turnover at the top and then put his head down for a moment like he was saying "aw, man" instead of getting back to try to stop the transition basket. Young had a high motor overall - but sometimes he was overclocked, too.... the final steal of the regular season was a highlight, but how many gambles on steal attempts didn't pay off during the year, leaving the rest of the team playing 4 on 5 until he recovered?

I think Pike's comments in the OTB interview were interesting with regard to Young. He spent time talking about not wanting players who were focused on getting their shots, certain if they led their team in shots at their prior stop. He was praised the new portal additions for not bringing up getting their shots at all. Might that have been a friction point with Young, that he was always looking to get up shots?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

G damn usage police got me again.

There was definitely friction with Young shooting too much and his inability OR lack of looking for teammates.

There is a very strong parallel with Corey and Jacob offensively. Our offense improved when Corey left (not an accident). Wouldn’t shock me if the same happens next year.

 

[batts]

I wouldn’t be shocked if JY shopped himself around to other programs, especially since he wound up at Oregon.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I wouldn’t be shocked if JY shopped himself around to other programs, especially since he wound up at Oregon.

If his intentions are to play professionally somewhere I would think most would do the same.

 

[kcg88]

Also I don't know if the Oregon players liked each other or not but only getting a #7 seed despite having a lottery pick in Chris Duarte, two guys who got NBA workouts (Omoruyi and Figueroa), and other talented players like Will Richardson and Eric Williams is my reasoning for why I'm not sure Omoruyi really raises a team's ceiling that much.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Also I don't know if the Oregon players liked each other or not but only getting a #7 seed despite having a lottery pick in Chris Duarte, two guys who got NBA workouts (Omoruyi and Figueroa), and other talented players like Will Richardson and Eric Williams is my reasoning for why I'm not sure Omoruyi really raises a team's ceiling that much.

Not that team. Eugene went from a hard hat and brown paper bag player to a person trying to impress NBA scouts. Oregon needed 2 basketballs.

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

Eugene got much better the year he sat out. He improved his game and good for him. Not sure what that has to do with pikiell. Most guys do actually improve over the course of a year.

JY was solid and played great in last 3 or 4 games. The Minnesota game really put him at a different level. However the way he finished made us forget all the bad.

Oregon And Rutgers are different programs. Oregon’s season is a disappointment if they don’t make the final four. Ours is a disappointment if we don’t make it to second day of big ten tournament. Pikiell needs to do things very differently than Altman has too. Pikiell has us on the right path and has gotten better each year since he hit here. The hate for him is astonishing.

 

[Randal7]

JACOB YOUNG INTERVIEW IS LIVE

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...rney-and-rutgers/id1544327445?i=1000531374709

Spotify:

 

[greenknight]

JY was a love/hate relationship. You knew he needed to have the ball in his hand to make things happen. When he was on he was lights out.....then there"s the hate when you gave him those reins and turns the ball over virtually every time up and down the floor was the hate.
Playmakers make plays but they turn the ball over alot as well. Think Pike wanted a combination of both players not the extreme of both.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Still don't get why he didn't turn pro. And if he didn't why he's playing at another school. Sorry, can't rationalize it for me. Just doesn't make sense.

Tbh, I hated eugene when he left (and thought we were better off with akwasi over him) but I have nothing but love for JY and we’ll be worse without him. Kid gave 150% here but unfortunately was not being used properly and the coaching staff wasnt letting him fully showcase his talents imo. Transferring to oregon is a decision that is hard for anyone with a brain to argue with here. Big JY fan and will be rooting for his success at oregon and beyond

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

In 2019-20 Jacob Young was a bad offensive player and in three seasons he was a 26% three point shooter. He played well in 2020-21 but I'm not really surprised the coaches didn't rush to build the offense around him, especially when it would have required switching things up mid-season. Despite that, he still led the team in usage and essentially tied for the team lead in minutes.

Whatever the team's issues were last season, "more Jacob Young" was probably not the answer. I think he was used relatively correctly. I'm not entirely sure what he thinks is going to happen at Oregon where they already have a point guard in Will Richardson and also brought in another 6-2 guard in De'Vion Harmon.

The team that Jacob Young transferred to was the Corey/DeShawn/Mike team that went 3-15 in the Big Ten. I don't know the conversations that took place between Pikiell and Young but the kind of player we needed (and we were willig to take) back then is much different than now. Maybe Young saw Corey put on a show at MSG and came here to get shots up on a bad team, I don't know. But there's a reason Pikiell took guys like Young (wanted the ball, not especially efficient) and a project like Peter Kiss back then that he wouldn't take now. I think it's pretty clear that what Young wants and what Pikiell wants are two different things at this juncture, so another season here may not have been very productive for either one.

I appreciate JY's time here. A lot of good moments that I'll never forget. But from a dispassionate lookahead perspective, I don't think we'll end up missing him very much in 2021-22. Once next year's team loses a game or two people will miss the idea of him at his best and make him out to be Zavier Simpson or Anthony Cowan or something, but they'll forget the 4+ turnover games and the 4-12 shooting days. The offense was 10th in the conference in 2020 when he was not very good. It was 9th in 2021 when he played much better. Whatever it's going to be in 2022, it's going to be and his presence would not meaningfully change it.

Youre nuts to think we wont miss him. We’re likely 7-13/8-12 in conference play next year without him, we would be tourney bound with him. We dont have any guards who can play defense or can penetrate the lane now and beat a guy off the dribble

 

[Randal7]

Youre nuts to think we wont miss him. We’re likely 7-13/8-12 in conference play next year without him, we would be tourney bound with him. We dont have any guards who can play defense or can penetrate the lane now and beat a guy off the dribble

When you all listen to this interview you’ll have to let me know what you think when asked about “bringing it” night after night. To me, he sounds like he was a bit dismayed with his teammates intensity

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Am I the only one who thinks , game in and game out, Geo is just as valuable to the team as Jacob?

Jacob is a ton more valuable than geo. Geo is a bad on ball defender, cant beat his man off the dribble, and his top shot is a mid range jumper (one of the lowest % shots in bball)

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Just you and the Big Ten Coaches. But what do they know?

https://bigten.org/news/2021/3/9/ge...s-basketball-postseason-honors-announced.aspx

Who do you think makes more money in pro basketball. Geo or jacob

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

I wouldn’t be shocked if JY shopped himself around to other programs, especially since he wound up at Oregon.

Or its as simple as his brother went to oregon haha

 

[kcg88]

Youre nuts to think we wont miss him. We’re likely 7-13/8-12 in conference play next year without him, we would be tourney bound with him. We dont have any guards who can play defense or can penetrate the lane now and beat a guy off the dribble

We were better in 19-20 when he played 20 minutes a game than in 20-21 when he played 30 minutes a game. We will miss the positive elements he brought to the team but we will not miss the overall package (needs the ball in his hands, commits turnovers).

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

We were better in 19-20 when he played 20 minutes a game than in 20-21 when he played 30 minutes a game. We will miss the positive elements he brought to the team but we will not miss the overall package (needs the ball in his hands, commits turnovers).

Lol. JY started off horribly in 19-20. He was bad to begin the year. However, in conference play he played more and played better and specifically in march when we had to beat maryland and purdue to make the tourney how many minutes did he play in those games? 30 minutes a night and was 4/5 from 3 and played lock down D to boot. Team needed someone to step up in OT @ purdue and who did? JY. Team needed to beat minny this year to get in who steps up? JY ERASES marcuss carr one of the best guards in america who was averaging 20ppg and whos prior 3 games had scored 21, 42 and 22.

idk man, I think people are insane to think we wont miss him and crazier to think were better without him

 

[kcg88]

Lol. JY started off horribly in 19-20. He was bad to begin the year. However, in conference play he played more and played better and specifically in march when we had to beat maryland and purdue to make the tourney how many minutes did he play in those games? 30 minutes a night and was 4/5 from 3 and played lock down D to boot. Team needed someone to step up in OT @ purdue and who did? JY. Team needed to beat minny this year to get in who steps up? JY ERASES marcuss carr one of the best guards in america who was averaging 20ppg and whos prior 3 games had scored 21, 42 and 22.

idk man, I think people are insane to think we wont miss him and crazier to think were better without him

Jacob Young also committed the foul that nearly lost us the Purdue game in regulation. He shot 4-9 from the field and 1-3 at the line. Geo shot 8-14 (0-1 at the line) including the go-ahead shot in regulation and the dagger in OT.

Young had an epic dunk on Haarms but he was not the hero of that game.

The 21 team was better with him than they would've been without. But for 22 I don't think that would be the case because we have more options and I don't necessarily think the 21 season is fully representative of Young's game. His lifetime 3P% is still very bad. Maybe the improvement is real, but maybe it's not.

 

[SirScarlet]

Jacob Young is not good enough to warrant a coach changing up their entire philosophy for him.

So the narrative that Pike didn't use his skills the right way lacks any context. Its silly...and incorrect.

I will miss Young. He was electric. He left it all out on the floor. He helped us win some big games. That said, he's not even close to the level of player that is above the team concept.

I wish him well and we move on with the guys who want to be here.

For me, its that simple.

 

[Randal7]

Jacob Young is not good enough to warrant a coach changing up their entire philosophy for him.

So the narrative that Pike didn't use his skills the right way lacks any context. Its silly...and incorrect.

I will miss Young. He was electric. He left it all out on the floor. He helped us win some big games. That said, he's not even close to the level of player that is above the team concept.

I wish him well and we move on with the guys who want to be here.

For me, its that simple.

Very fair. Still would’ve been nice to have him off the bench this coming year. I always likened him to a chainsaw. You rev him up and he can saw off the opponents head … our his own. Just a game changer all around

 

[RUsojo]

JACOB YOUNG INTERVIEW IS LIVE

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...rney-and-rutgers/id1544327445?i=1000531374709

Spotify:

Great interview. JY is a honest dude. Good questions from the host.

 

[Randal7]

Great interview. JY is a honest dude. Good questions from the host.

Thank you sir! Great to hear that

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

1. Didn’t we make the NCAA tournament having Jacob Young with a usage rate as the top of the B1G along with Garza?

2. What the heck does that say about Harper and Baker? They became secondary options to a guy that was never going to be a 1 or 2 option in a Power 5 program.

3. Maybe there is a small possibility it is actually Geo and Ron that are negative influences? Isn’t it possible? If I go to the store and buy organic blueberries to put in my cereal and smoothie and both my cereal and smoothie taste bad my 1st instinct is not to think my cereal is bad.

4. I think you need to go back and rewatch some of our games. See what players brought energy and which ones didn’t. See who dove on the floor and who watched teammates dive. Who sulked when things didn’t go their way. Who shot arrows in to crowd when they finally made a shot and who got us a steal that clinched the NCAA tournament.

For every "shooting an arrow" there is a flexing of the muscles by JY, RHJ and others....I don't see how this is relative to team chemistry.

There is also a way to listen to the Jacob Young podcast.....there's a lot of "I did and I had this many points". And I am not saying there's anything wrong with that, Jacob earned a right to express his opinions.

I am not going to rewind game tape, but there were multiple games where JY and Tez turned the ball over and a sub was in at the scorers table and both players knew they were coming out of the game.......and at least 10+ times (mostly JY), where he was coming out and knew he was coming out, and jacked up a shot or took off with the ball looking to score.

It is also painfully obvious that Jacob plays with great energy and that is mistaken for being a team player. Passing the ball when Myles has buried his man in the post, is much easier to do, than take off 1 on 1, to make a play for himself.

These items don't mean that JY was not effective.....it just means he was significantly more effective at doing these things, than Montez Mathis was.....Mathis just was not in the Top 1% of players who had the burst to make a 1 on 1 player like Young could and score. But it's not like JY was always successful, that lack of passing, increases your usage rate and stat line.

Young was a necessity for a roster that didn't have his athletic abilities. Unfortunately, the best athletes who cannot channel that in a team aspect, have stat lines that look like JY......high usage rate, high turnovers and not many assists, given the usage rate. To place Young in the same sentence with Garza is silly, given that Garza is 25% of the athlete, Young is.

Young did a good job in the interview, but I watch, like many people here, a lot of basketball. And Young with his athletic abilities, has NBA skills....he however does not understand team basketball like so many other guards around college basketball. Guards who mentally understand the game, dominate without elite athletic ability. Young if he bought in more to a team concept, would be a better player. Some kids can grasp that, some never do and never make the next level, when they should.

I am watching a small 15 second tape of a true freshman, Jalen Miller, taking on the Jacob Young defensive player and mindset, guarding RHJ.....Miller is nowhere near the athlete that JY is, but if he's 70% of where JY is on defense and is a willing passer and buys into team concepts, there's not going to be any drop-off.

Sharing the ball increases the productivity of all of your other players.....and eliminates the impression that Young is essential to RU winning and they cannot win without him...... RU with better team play, will absorb the loss of Young, just like they did with Eugene.

 

[SirScarlet]

Very fair. Still would’ve been nice to have him off the bench this coming year. I always likened him to a chainsaw. You rev him up and he can saw off the opponents head … our his own. Just a game changer all around

Fully agree. I wanted him to stay. I am guessing the entire staff did as well.

I am pretty sure they tried to keep him (tho I don't have this as a fact)

 

[Yeah Baby]

When you all listen to this interview you’ll have to let me know what you think when asked about “bringing it” night after night. To me, he sounds like he was a bit dismayed with his teammates intensity

I didn’t hear that. He sounded like a confident guy who liked to tell you how good he was. He wanted the last shot vs Houston. That is clear but he said he left to go pro and he believes he is good enough which I applaud him for. Sounds like his father and brother talked him into one year at Oregon to play for a championship. Good luck to him and them unless they plays us.