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steinek11

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Reports saying he's gonna be more of a CEO and less oversight calling plays on o. Let's hope that's right and not just smokescreen. It's the only reason I'm cool with the decision that's been made...
These hires will be crucial. Does he have a true CEO mentality that can spot talent, or does he look for the familiar?

How much does he dictate the offense? Barry Alvarez level or something with autonomy?

I really hope he takes on this transition quickly. If his ego needs to be the genius behind the offense, we are in trouble.
 

dinglefritz

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That's exactly it, nobody in their right mind can think this is going to result in some long-term success. At bare minimum we should be expecting division titles fairly regularly, and no way it gets there with what we've got. However, i dont think TA sees it either, i just think his options are very limited and he saw this as the best possible option.
just as we can't predict success with these moves, you can't predict failure either. We've removed the coaches of underperforming position groups. We've got a couple of positions to fix and new guys are going to get a chance to do it. The chances IMO of an immediate turn around with the changes are probably just as good as the chances of a turn around with a whole new staff. Maybe better because the defense is already sound. IF you throw everybody out you're starting all over and you would have at least 1-2 years of learning new systems.
 

beaglehusker

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It can work. Will it? We'll find out. As much as I wanted him fired after the first game, I'm ok with this move.
 

Lincoln100

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I'm confident he would have thrown them all out if his choice(s) would have said that they would come here.
 

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What your saying in Frost's fifth year he May get a competent kicker. That should be a comfort to many fans.
 

itseasyas1-2-3

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These hires will be crucial. Does he have a true CEO mentality that can spot talent, or does he look for the familiar?

How much does he dictate the offense? Barry Alvarez level or something with autonomy?

I really hope he takes on this transition quickly. If his ego needs to be the genius behind the offense, we are in trouble.
I think your last sentence says it all.
 

egaRdeR

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Only 40% of the fans think 4 losing seasons and going 3-9 in your last year is unacceptable??? What a joke. People just don't care about winning, I guess it's just like the Cubs than.
Or maybe 40% think there is more than only one way to try to succeed?

There were 3 options. One, do nothing. Pretty sure we all threw that out. Two, make changes. Pretty wide degree of what can change, but hard to argue this is pretty substantial. And three, start over. There is no guarantee that will bring the results we all want.

So there is risk and reward with both of the last two options.

You choose to be black and white. Others can see shades of grey.

I guess we will all have to wait and see. But pretty sure anyone supporting option two isn't ok with 3-9 seasons.
 
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pgainey

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These hires will be crucial. Does he have a true CEO mentality that can spot talent, or does he look for the familiar?

How much does he dictate the offense? Barry Alvarez level or something with autonomy?

I really hope he takes on this transition quickly. If his ego needs to be the genius behind the offense, we are in trouble.

my impression is that head coaches take on more of a CEO position when things are really rolling and you gradually hand a little more responsibility to the assistants

it seems like Frost was told he can keep his job if he is more hands off - when has something like this happened before?

you can still carry the title of head coach but we are going to need you to do less coaching
 

huskerfan1414

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It will probably get a little better. The schedule is much easier next year and with even a slightly improved oline, QB and oc we make a bowl. If we still cant make a bowl next season than frost is truly the worst coach in existence. Even so, a 7-5 season next year just sets the program back further. No serious person can believe frost is ever going to compete for national championships as a coach here.
Thread ends right here. Truth.
 

huskerfan1414

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my impression is that head coaches take on more of a CEO position when things are really rolling and you gradually hand a little more responsibility to the assistants

it seems like Frost was told he can keep his job if he is more hands off - when has something like this happened before?

you can still carry the title of head coach but we are going to need you to do less coaching
Why would you want this person as your head coach then? “Hey, you provide no real benefit whatsoever! Be our head coach, we’ll pay you millions, but please dont do any coaching!” Yeah thats a much better plan than trying to find a good coach.


Nick saban, jimbo fischer, gary patterson, brian kelly, lincoln riley, pat fitzgerald, ryan day…….i could go on and on with good coaches….

The above guys might have other playcallers/coordinators, but anyone who thinks they dont coach and run the show is lying to themselves. Not every head coach runs it like 80 year old bobby, joe, or mack.
 

B1G RED RULES

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Reports saying he's gonna be more of a CEO and less oversight calling plays on o. Let's hope that's right and not just smokescreen. It's the only reason I'm cool with the decision that's been made...
The “coach in training program” is alive and well going into its 5th year.
 

LagunaHusker

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Frost will still be the de facto OC and continue to call plays his players can't execute just like always. It is what he does and enjoys. It doesn't matter who they hire for OC. Frost is incapable of paying attention to anything but scheming the offense during the week, and running the offense on gameday. Everything else like the kicking game, recruiting and clock management (etc.) don't interest him.

As I've said many times here, you can't paint stripes on a leopard and have a tiger. Scott Frost loses games and will continue to do so as long as he coaches here. It is who he is. They should have ripped the band aid off. Now the entire Husker Nation is in limbo for yet another year.
Just reviewed the 2022 schedule, yea Frost is gone. I see 2 pretty sure wins, North DaKota and Georgia Southern after that it looks like Frost gets fired. Why should anyone think we can beat Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois , Purdue. If it wasn’t for the money Frost would have already been fired.
 
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ATX Husker

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exactly right. Now that some of the anger has subsided people can look at this decision more logically. I think it was the right move. IF he had just gone ahead and fired him I think it would have deepened a divide in our fan base. It isn't the conventional way to handle the losing records, but it might work. If not, as you say, he gave Frost every chance to succeed.
Great move by ADTA for so many reasons. Could Frost suck again, sure but then Trev can get his own guy and rally most of Husker nation behind it etc. moving forward.
 

Lincoln100

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Just reviewed the 2022 schedule, yea Frost is gone. I see 2 pretty sure wins, North DaKota and Georgia Southern after that it looks like Frost gets fired. Why should anyone think we can beat Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois , Purdue. If it wasn’t for the money Frost would have all went fired.
2024 is brutal. Whoever is HC is going to have a rough go of it to start things out
 

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No offense - but you have said that every single year since Frost arrived.

And you have predicted the team will quit and get blown out every week. Everyone will transfer. The stadium will be empty. And none of those things are happening either.

I do think that the things keeping us from winning games are clear and could be addressed fairly easily. This staff is back next year, so you can choose to assume nothing changes and they continue to lose every close game possible (or the team quits and starts getting blown out). I will be watching and rooting for the opposite.
 
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steinek11

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my impression is that head coaches take on more of a CEO position when things are really rolling and you gradually hand a little more responsibility to the assistants

it seems like Frost was told he can keep his job if he is more hands off - when has something like this happened before?

you can still carry the title of head coach but we are going to need you to do less coaching
The areas he is responsible for and that he can influence are being neglected and under-managed.

If you make quality hires, you need to let them do their job. Lubick is a wasted hire if Frost is really the OC. None of the top tier coaches in P5 are also the OC. Maybe if the team was not malfunctioning, he could take on the fulltime role of coordinator. As it is, it's too much for one person and other areas suffer. We're about to learn a lot more about Frosts organizational skills and evaluating abilities. He really needs a mentor. No shame in that.
 

redwine65

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These hires will be crucial. Does he have a true CEO mentality that can spot talent, or does he look for the familiar?

How much does he dictate the offense? Barry Alvarez level or something with autonomy?

I really hope he takes on this transition quickly. If his ego needs to be the genius behind the offense, we are in trouble.
well barry just simply implemented NU run game at wisconsin and logicly, naturally the wins just came.
so he didn't really have to struggle, he had a model to go by, and the wits to use it.

it's kinda like how the US declaration was based on the mecklenburg declaration.
 
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Frost will still be the de facto OC and continue to call plays his players can't execute just like always. It is what he does and enjoys. It doesn't matter who they hire for OC. Frost is incapable of paying attention to anything but scheming the offense during the week, and running the offense on gameday. Everything else like the kicking game, recruiting and clock management (etc.) don't interest him.

As I've said many times here, you can't paint stripes on a leopard and have a tiger. Scott Frost loses games and will continue to do so as long as he coaches here. It is who he is. They should have ripped the band aid off. Now the entire Husker Nation is in limbo for yet another year.
One thing for sure is if it doesn’t get better under Frost…he gone! He has been served.
 

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It’s possible we win 6 or 7, but based on Frost’s history I’m guessing it will be a great success or an utter failure. I just don’t see an in between scenario like that. I think a scenario of 6 or 7 wins is even worse because it’s kind of like purgatory. It’s progress, but not really.
 

B1G RED RULES

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And you have predicted the team will quit and get blown out every week. Everyone will transfer. The stadium will be empty. And none of those things are happening either.

Lazy answer. Now if you want to claim I have been sceptical of Frost since the end of year two - questioned his ability to lead, coach, and develop players - I am guilty. But you are not going to find many - if any - posts where I have claimed the items you mention above.
 

Headcard

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Lazy answer. Now if you want to claim I have been sceptical of Frost since the end of year two - questioned his ability to lead, coach, and develop players - I am guilty. But you are not going to find many - if any - posts where I have claimed the items you mention above.

Oh I thought we were just lazily attributing things to each other without actually knowing. Was that just supposed to be you?
 

dinglefritz

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This fuking moron still doesn't realize he needs a special teams coach? Hahahahahaha
He has a special teams coach, moron. Dawson has been a special teams coordinator before and helped with special teams when he was in the NFL. Dawson is in charge of coverages and protections on special teams. What he needs is to recruit better kickers.
 

dinglefritz

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Where is the unlike button?
Just hit the like icon again. It will remove your like. Otherwise you can't express you displeasure with a post without quoting it and expressing your opinion unless you use the "laughing" emoticon in the function. You're welcome for the tutorial.
 

HASSAN CHOP

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When I read some of Frost’s quotes on here, I realize a few things:

1. Alberts is going to spend all next year finding a new head coach

2. The $20MM buyout was a problem. Thanks to Trev for cutting it down

3. Frost is an absolute clueless idiot. No assistants worth anything will come here.

4. Frost will be fired after game 6 next year and the new coach will already be selected.

Sadly, the fans will suffer through another Frost year. He is such an idiot.
 

cecilB

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I think Trev is rubbing off on Scott a bit. I think the next 9
OC will in fact BE the OC. Scott will have some oversight, but all CEOs do
It cracks me up when the CEO referenced is used. Not a dig at you. It’s how the position is described. However, Frost exhibits essentially zero characteristics or demeanor of any CEO in any industry, of any gender.

It’s a steep learning curve he hasn’t inched up much …. Pretty much just a ball coach right now.
 

cecilB

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well barry just simply implemented NU run game at wisconsin and logicly, naturally the wins just came.
so he didn't really have to struggle, he had a model to go by, and the wits to use it.

it's kinda like how the US declaration was based on the mecklenburg declaration.
A run game, not NU’s. Wasn’t much option from Darrel Bevell, Bollinger, Stocke, and every other wisky QB of the past gazillion years
 

Husker.Wed._rivals

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It cracks me up when the CEO referenced is used. Not a dig at you. It’s how the position is described. However, Frost exhibits essentially zero characteristics or demeanor of any CEO in any industry, of any gender.

It’s a steep learning curve he hasn’t inched up much …. Pretty much just a ball coach right now.
I've been exposed to quite a few leaders at various levels who micro manage some aspects of the organization while totally ignoring other, important parts. These types are generally frazzled, stressed and feel misunderstood. If I thought about it real hard, I could probably remember one or two that learned to step back, look at the big picture and acquire quality people who were allowed to do their jobs. But that was rare, meddlers are going to meddle. Those people were usually removed from their leadership positions and put on something they could work on by themselves.

Looking at the dysfunction of the Frost regime is a study in failed leadership in so many ways. It can probably be corrected with lots of time, mentoring and support if Scott readjusts his attitude. But I'm extremely skeptical it can be accomplished in one year.
 

Headcard

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When I read some of Frost’s quotes on here, I realize a few things:

1. Alberts is going to spend all next year finding a new head coach

2. The $20MM buyout was a problem. Thanks to Trev for cutting it down

3. Frost is an absolute clueless idiot. No assistants worth anything will come here.

4. Frost will be fired after game 6 next year and the new coach will already be selected.

Sadly, the fans will suffer through another Frost year. He is such an idiot.

Which quotes are those?
 

dinglefritz

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I've been exposed to quite a few leaders at various levels who micro manage some aspects of the organization while totally ignoring other, important parts. These types are generally frazzled, stressed and feel misunderstood. If I thought about it real hard, I could probably remember one or two that learned to step back, look at the big picture and acquire quality people who were allowed to do their jobs. But that was rare, meddlers are going to meddle. Those people were usually removed from their leadership positions and put on something they could work on by themselves.

Looking at the dysfunction of the Frost regime is a study in failed leadership in so many ways. It can probably be corrected with lots of time, mentoring and support if Scott readjusts his attitude. But I'm extremely skeptical it can be accomplished in one year.
I think the use of CEO was just a convenient term and not necessarily a good one to describe what they hope to happen with the new assistants. Clearly they want somebody to come in and take charge of the offense so that Frost isn't spending all of his time there. Maybe that gives him more time to dedicate to special teams. There is no way in hell he isn't going to be involved with the offense nor should he ignore it. Hopefully he can hire an experienced OC who can take the job and run with it but damn man some of the things Frost has done with the offense have been pretty innovative. I still don't think the offense is the problem. Our O line, inconsistent QB play and at times a few play calls have been the problems IMO.
 

Headcard

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Pick any from this thread. How about the one referencing a full time special teams coach? Dawson has done a great job? Frost is an idiot and you’re an idiot if you are so blind to follow an idiot.
And you are an idiot if you still haven’t seen the full quote and are getting pissy over Sam M’s tweet. But don’t let facts keep you from getting your panties in a wad.
 
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Husker.Wed._rivals

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I think the use of CEO was just a convenient term and not necessarily a good one to describe what they hope to happen with the new assistants. Clearly they want somebody to come in and take charge of the offense so that Frost isn't spending all of his time there. Maybe that gives him more time to dedicate to special teams. There is no way in hell he isn't going to be involved with the offense nor should he ignore it. Hopefully he can hire an experienced OC who can take the job and run with it but damn man some of the things Frost has done with the offense have been pretty innovative. I still don't think the offense is the problem. Our O line, inconsistent QB play and at times a few play calls have been the problems IMO.
I think you may be right about the offense. There are SO MANY plays that are designed just fine but for whatever reason, they aren't executed. I'm talking about receivers open early, but 2AM taking forever to drop back and make a decision, missed wide open receivers, the wrong decision on zone reads, running backs not taking what is given, lineman whiffing when that block would have spring a big play, backs stumbling, poorly-thrown balls that disrupt swing pass plays, etc, It is obvious enough on TV but watching the game live it is mind-numbing seeing what is supposed to happen but doesn't.