It won't get better

[Husker.Wed._rivals]

Frost will still be the de facto OC and continue to call plays his players can't execute just like always. It is what he does and enjoys. It doesn't matter who they hire for OC. Frost is incapable of paying attention to anything but scheming the offense during the week, and running the offense on gameday. Everything else like the kicking game, recruiting and clock management (etc.) don't interest him.

As I've said many times here, you can't paint stripes on a leopard and have a tiger. Scott Frost loses games and will continue to do so as long as he coaches here. It is who he is. They should have ripped the band aid off. Now the entire Husker Nation is in limbo for yet another year.

 

[TheHuskerFreak]

It will probably get a little better. The schedule is much easier next year and with even a slightly improved oline, QB and oc we make a bowl. If we still cant make a bowl next season than frost is truly the worst coach in existence. Even so, a 7-5 season next year just sets the program back further. No serious person can believe frost is ever going to compete for national championships as a coach here.

 

[anon1765477286]

I guess that is one way to look at it.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

Frost will still be the de facto OC and continue to call plays his players can't execute just like always. It is what he does and enjoys. It doesn't matter who they hire for OC. Frost is incapable of paying attention to anything but scheming the offense during the week, and running the offense on gameday. Everything else like the kicking game, recruiting and clock management (etc.) don't interest him.

As I've said many times here, you can't paint stripes on a leopard and have a tiger. Scott Frost loses games and will continue to do so as long as he coaches here. It is who he is. They should have ripped the band aid off. Now the entire Husker Nation is in limbo for yet another year.

Finally someone here capable of stepping back and seeing reality.

 

[steinek11]

Frost will still be the de facto OC and continue to call plays his players can't execute just like always. It is what he does and enjoys. It doesn't matter who they hire for OC. Frost is incapable of paying attention to anything but scheming the offense during the week, and running the offense on gameday. Everything else like the kicking game, recruiting and clock management (etc.) don't interest him.

As I've said many times here, you can't paint stripes on a leopard and have a tiger. Scott Frost loses games and will continue to do so as long as he coaches here. It is who he is. They should have ripped the band aid off. Now the entire Husker Nation is in limbo for yet another year.

Well, that's just like your opinion, man

 

[pgainey]

I take great comfort in knowing that we have a brother, a Husker and a Nebraskan at the helm and that no mater the results it will be deemed good enough.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

I take great comfort in knowing that we have a brother, a Husker and a Nebraskan at the helm and that no mater the results it will be deemed good enough.

We're so screwed.

 

[Anon1727835823]

I think Trev is rubbing off on Scott a bit. I think the next 9
OC will in fact BE the OC. Scott will have some oversight, but all CEOs do

 

[Headcard]

You are entitled to your pessimistic view. But I think we could easily be much, much better. A competent kicker and we win more games, a QB that can make good decisions and we win more game, decent OL play and we win more games. All of them and we are good. These are not impossible fixes and to me it’s just as likely they happen as it is everything stays the same. I'll be watching and pulling for it.

 

[RiLLLLLLLLey]

Finally someone here capable of stepping back and seeing reality.

Why were players at UCF and Oregon capable of executing the plays, yet, here at Nebraska (where we have all the facilities, training, etc.), he isn't able to do so?

What is the one dissimilarity anyone can come up with? No flash-in-the-pan arguments. Frost's performances as OC Oregon and as HC at UCF weren't flukes.

What is the one dissimilarity? It's a rhetorical question, for the record.

 

[Bill_Callahan2.0_rivals121792]

Our top 2 coaches in revenue generating sports are just lame ducks collecting paychecks. Touche, Fred and Frost. What a joke this athletic program is.

 

[JOHNNY N]

Original thread.

 

[pgainey]

Opposing big ten fans better get their licks in now.

they will live to regret all the mocking when we rise up and almost beat them for years to come

 

[GeorgeFlippin]

 

[BugsAreQualityProtein]

Here’s what going to happen. If he hires a bad staff there’s no way they get to six wins and then Frost will be fired. If he hires a competent staff they’ll win eight or more, there is no in between. It’s one more offseason and or season we have to suffer through. Ultimately I think we’ll get winning football sooner or later in Lincoln with or without Frost.

 

[dinglefritz]

You are entitled to your pessimistic view. But I think we could easily be much, much better. A competent kicker and we win more games, a QB that can make good decisions and we win more game, decent OL play and we win more games. All of them and we are good. These are not impossible fixes and to me it’s just as likely they happen as it is everything stays the same. I”lol be watching and pulling for it.

O line and QB decision making. We fired Harry Potter's grandpa FINALLY. We'll see if a different O line coach can fix some of those problems. A better kicker and punter alone probably would have won us 2-3 more games this season. HAVE to fix our kicking game and O line. Fix the OT position and you fix most of our offensive issues IMO.....

 

[BleedRed78]

Reports saying he's gonna be more of a CEO and less oversight calling plays on o. Let's hope that's right and not just smokescreen. It's the only reason I'm cool with the decision that's been made...

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

I think Trev is rubbing off on Scott a bit. I think the next 9
OC will in fact BE the OC. Scott will have some oversight, but all CEOs do

maybe.. and if this turns out to be correct, then it might really help the program.

I just don't see Scott stepping back from it though.. it's like the playcalling duties he 'gave up' but then quietly took back.

the offense is like his little tinker toy set, and scott gonna do what he does.

and then there is the AM thing, that i don't have to get in to..

 

[73 Red I]

It will probably get a little better. The schedule is much easier next year and with even a slightly improved oline, QB and oc we make a bowl. If we still cant make a bowl next season than frost is truly the worst coach in existence. Even so, a 7-5 season next year just sets the program back further. No serious person can believe frost is ever going to compete for national championships as a coach here.

National championships are a long way off. First we have to get back to winning nine!

 

[egaRdeR]

Here’s what going to happen. If he hires a bad staff there’s no way they get to six wins and then Frost will be fired. If he hires a competent staff they’ll win eight or more, there is no in between. It’s one more offseason and or season we have to suffer through. Ultimately I think we’ll get winning football sooner or later in Lincoln with or without Frost.

Isn't 7 in between?

 

[realHuskerDrew]

I hope the new OC comes in, brings his own OL and WR coach and is allowed to make thing happen. Frost clearly sucks as a play caller and if they stink next year, which is probable if Frost calls plays… he’s shitcanned. Saved 9.5 million in the process, which is nice.
BTW.. Rutgers and Indiana are like Minny and Illinois… games that you think are wins but somehow turn out tougher than expected. I only see 3 probable wins next year, IMO. Now Illinois won’t be easy, so I predict a 5 win season… as usual.

 

[ThunderPhillips_rivals499044]

Why were players at UCF and Oregon capable of executing the plays, yet, here at Nebraska (where we have all the facilities, training, etc.), he isn't able to do so?

What is the one dissimilarity anyone can come up with? No flash-in-the-pan arguments. Frost's performances as OC Oregon and as HC at UCF weren't flukes.

What is the one dissimilarity? It's a rhetorical question, for the record.

Opposing defenses are better. Opposing players are better. Opposing coaches are better. Is our coach smarter than the other coach?
At UcF Frosties biggest rival was Mike Norvell at Memphis. Norvell is his own disaster at Florida State.

 

[CameronKrazie86]

I agree with the thread's title.

 

[Harry Caray]

I agree with the thread's title.

We all knew Frost was too stubborn to actually make significant changes. He fired his assistants to save his own *** for now, but he's just going to hire a bunch of new yes men and nothing will change. I fully expect him to trot out Martinez next fall in Ireland and run Rahmir Johnson up the middle 20 times.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

I agree with the thread's title.

what a **** show RollingLaugh

 

[BugsAreQualityProtein]

I agree with the thread's title.

Welp Frost gonna Frost. Hopefully Trev will strongly suggest(force) he hire one.

 

[Headcard]

I agree with the thread's title.

He didn't dismiss it like Sam is indicating. He just chose not to sling mud a Dawson.

 

[grayhairedfreak]

OP may very well be right and I was also on the fire train, but the more I consider it this is a masterstroke by Trev. Frost took $8.5M off the table for one last chance to save his legacy, when he could have walked away with $20M. If we are successful in 2022 Trev looks like a genius. If we are not, the fan % to fire goes from 40% to 90% and Trev can say Frost was given every opportunity to succeed. We will know how it all plays out in about 12 months.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

OP may very well be right and I was also on the fire train, but the more I consider it this is a masterstroke by Trev. Frost took $8.5M off the table for one last chance to save his legacy, when he could have walked away with $20M. If we are successful in 2022 Trev looks like a genius. If we are not, the fan % to fire goes from 40% to 90% and Trev can say Frost was given every opportunity to succeed. We will know how it all plays out in about 12 months.

Only 40% of the fans think 4 losing seasons and going 3-9 in your last year is unacceptable??? What a joke. People just don't care about winning, I guess it's just like the Cubs than.

 

[pharvey0829]

Why were players at UCF and Oregon capable of executing the plays, yet, here at Nebraska (where we have all the facilities, training, etc.), he isn't able to do so?

What is the one dissimilarity anyone can come up with? No flash-in-the-pan arguments. Frost's performances as OC Oregon and as HC at UCF weren't flukes.

What is the one dissimilarity? It's a rhetorical question, for the record.

Better athletes at Oregon and weaker competition at UCF.

 

[Husker.Wed._rivals]

We all knew Frost was too stubborn to actually make significant changes. He fired his assistants to save his own *** for now, but he's just going to hire a bunch of new yes men and nothing will change. I fully expect him to trot out Martinez next fall in Ireland and run Rahmir Johnson up the middle 20 times.

But...but...but, Scott said during the PC he isn't arrogant. I almost fell out of my chair when he said that.

 

[pharvey0829]

But...but...but, Scott said during the PC he isn't arrogant. I almost fell out of my chair when he said that.

Did he talk about all of the team's moral victories?

 

[grayhairedfreak]

Only 40% of the fans think 4 losing seasons and going 3-9 in your last year is unacceptable??? What a joke. People just don't care about winning, I guess it's just like the Cubs than.

I agree with your sentiment and the % would be 90% now if the coach wasn't named Scott Frost. At the end of 2022 Trev will have much less blowback to deal with. Trev has Frost over a barrel now and next year he'll either succeed or fire himself.

 

[Magni]

Don't jump off any tall buildings people. If we simply get a much better O-Line Coach, we are going to be better. Throw in a better Kicker, Punter and it changes how you can call games as an Offense.

 

[dinglefritz]

OP may very well be right and I was also on the fire train, but the more I consider it this is a masterstroke by Trev. Frost took $8.5M off the table for one last chance to save his legacy, when he could have walked away with $20M. If we are successful in 2022 Trev looks like a genius. If we are not, the fan % to fire goes from 40% to 90% and Trev can say Frost was given every opportunity to succeed. We will know how it all plays out in about 12 months.

exactly right. Now that some of the anger has subsided people can look at this decision more logically. I think it was the right move. IF he had just gone ahead and fired him I think it would have deepened a divide in our fan base. It isn't the conventional way to handle the losing records, but it might work. If not, as you say, he gave Frost every chance to succeed.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Don't jump off any tall buildings people. If we simply get a much better O-Line Coach, we are going to be better. Throw in a better Kicker, Punter and it changes how you can call games as an Offense.

Just the way in which techniques are taught can go a long way in making strides.

Maybe some of the offensive line personnel is moved around and they find a spot which better utilizes their ability. Next spring will be a good time to try kids at new positions on the OL until it all starts to gel.

We saw an example, just this year of how important it can be to the OL just to make a few changes. When Piper was replaced and then Nouilli stepped in and Teddy made his appearance, the line was taking on a whole new identity.

No question a couple of weeks is a small sample, but an entire spring and fall practice and things can be looking up.

NU has spent a large portion of SF's time here just beating themselves. If NU can just do the basic things, and do them consistently, it can translate or at least contribute to outcomes.

I don't think any of us expect miracles or an overnight fix. But, just being able to see improvement in those 3 areas would be encouraging.

 

[ssmill777]

I hope the new OC comes in, brings his own OL and WR coach and is allowed to make thing happen. Frost clearly sucks as a play caller and if they stink next year, which is probable if Frost calls plays… he’s shitcanned. Saved 9.5 million in the process, which is nice.
BTW.. Rutgers and Indiana are like Minny and Illinois… games that you think are wins but somehow turn out tougher than expected. I only see 3 probable wins next year, IMO. Now Illinois won’t be easy, so I predict a 5 win season… as usual.

At first glance, I say we go 5-7. Unless that habit of losing close games turns into winning close games!

 

[Lincoln100]

It will probably get a little better. The schedule is much easier next year and with even a slightly improved oline, QB and oc we make a bowl. If we still cant make a bowl next season than frost is truly the worst coach in existence. Even so, a 7-5 season next year just sets the program back further. No serious person can believe frost is ever going to compete for national championships as a coach here.

That's exactly it, nobody in their right mind can think this is going to result in some long-term success. At bare minimum we should be expecting division titles fairly regularly, and no way it gets there with what we've got. However, i dont think TA sees it either, i just think his options are very limited and he saw this as the best possible option.

 

[jonesy5960_rivals300379]

Here’s what going to happen. If he hires a bad staff there’s no way they get to six wins and then Frost will be fired. If he hires a competent staff they’ll win eight or more, there is no in between. It’s one more offseason and or season we have to suffer through. Ultimately I think we’ll get winning football sooner or later in Lincoln with or without Frost.

Aren't 6 or 7 wins between 5 and 8? Just checking your math.

 

[dinglefritz]

He didn't dismiss it like Sam is indicating. He just chose not to sling mud a Dawson.

don't let the facts get in the way of a good false narrative......