Is Kansas the worst . . .

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

A true #1 team wins that game by twenty points.

huh? Noway.

Based on where KU was rated and where Iowa St was rated in Kenpom, the predicted score was 78-76. I'm willing to guess the Vegas line was two points as well.

They won by 4.

They did as expected.

In fact their worst home loss in 5 years was a 9 point loss to Baylor in 2014. Most years they only lose 1-2 home games.

It's crazy to think KU was ever beating them by 20. Or any team for that matter.

 

[Blue Bigfoot]

One day I'm going to ride into Lawrence in a Boss Hogg caddy and I'm going to punch every smuck with a KU shirt. That's my bucket list. I'm going to punch so many KU fans in their face that it'll be in history books.

[roll] Lmao! Bring bail money with you, Boss Hogg.

 

[Dakota25]

Iowa State is Kenpom #23. How is that not a good road win?

Never said it wasn't, but Rupp is a different animal. Yeah lost to UCLA but that is the only loss in three years at Rupp,

 

[RC_Texas]

huh? Noway.

Based on where KU was rated and where Iowa St was rated in Kenpom, the predicted score was 78-76. I'm willing to guess the Vegas line was two points as well.

They won by 4.

They did as expected.

In fact their worst home loss in 5 years was a 9 point loss to Baylor in 2014. Most years they only lose 1-2 home games.

It's crazy to think KU was ever beating them by 20. Or any team for that matter.

Vegas line went to 3 five minutes before tip-off before then it was 2...

 

[RC_Texas]

Well they have won 16 in a row. We will see what happens in the coming weeks. I see them losing at WVU and at UK.

Two very tough venues for the visiting team to win at...as was Hilton 'Magic' Arena

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Kentucky is going to win this soundly. And god forbid we get the home job Kansas got, it could get ugly. Non Big12 teams don't bend over for Kansas, as they shouldn't. It's a weird bubble Kansas is in. You get the sense that all other Big12 teams are spooked by Kansas, while every SEC team circles Kentucky on the calendar a year in advanced.

Overrated guards, weak on the inside, no depth. @Rupp.. and you won't get the typical Phog help. Kansas is the 3rd toughest game we have left.. at best.

 

[Nooneputsbabyinacorner]

Two very tough venues for the visiting team to win at...as was Hilton 'Magic' Arena

I think we lose at WVU and at OSU. I think Kentucky will only lose against Florida and that's only if Kentucky plays at Florida.

 

[Nooneputsbabyinacorner]

Kentucky is going to win this soundly. And god forbid we get the home job Kansas got, it could get ugly. Non Big12 teams don't bend over for Kansas, as they shouldn't. It's a weird bubble Kansas is in. You get the sense that all other Big12 teams are spooked by Kansas, while every SEC team circles Kentucky on the calendar a year in advanced.

Overrated guards, weak on the inside, no depth. @Rupp.. and you won't get the typical Phog help. Kansas is the 3rd toughest game we have left.. at best.

Who are the 2 tougher contests in front of KU? Not sure how you could call our guards overrated and Lucas is putting up as good of numbers as any post player on Kentucky. Where we could get in trouble is post depth. We can't throw out the bodies that Kentucky can in the post. Are you also suggesting that we are going to get the benefit of the referee whistle on your home floor?

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Did you guys beat a terrible vandy team on the road by 20?

I hate to agree with a Kansas fan but he pretty much owned the original poster here

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Iowa State is Kenpom #23. How is that not a good road win?

ISU didn't look any different than half of the middle of the pack SEC teams last night.

 

[Nooneputsbabyinacorner]

ISU didn't look any different than half of the middle of the pack SEC teams last night.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Schwagg]

KU was losing to OSU, so the refs called 30 fouls on them & put the fraudulent Squawks on the line for 45 free throws.

Against ISU, the corrupt big 12 officials let them play cause KU was ahead the whole game. The scumbag Hawks didn't need to go to the line & KU/officials wanted people to think everything is on the up & up.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

Iowa St is prob the 4th best Big 12 team behind KU WVU and Baylor

 

[RC_Texas]

KU was losing to OSU, so the refs called 30 fouls on them & put the fraudulent Squawks on the line for 45 free throws.

Against ISU, the corrupt big 12 officials let them play cause KU was ahead the whole game. The scumbag Hawks didn't need to go to the line & KU/officials wanted people to think everything is on the up & up.

I tend to believe that the least talented team fouls a more talented team to stop them when their defense fails. Schwagg sees the world differently than I do. Thank you Jesus!

 

[toonces11]

Let me guess....you think miss st looked like the 93 bulls tonight!!!!

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Let me guess....you think miss st looked like the 93 bulls tonight!!!!

You make KU play in a game where everything is a foul and see if they play good defense.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Who are the 2 tougher contests in front of KU? Not sure how you could call our guards overrated and Lucas is putting up as good of numbers as any post player on Kentucky. Where we could get in trouble is post depth. We can't throw out the bodies that Kentucky can in the post. Are you also suggesting that we are going to get the benefit of the referee whistle on your home floor?

At Florida
Thought we had a 1 and 1 with USC. @gamecocks is tougher.

Honestly.. Id rather play Kansas at Rupp or even Neutral floor than any of the rest of our SEC road games.

If you watches our game tonight.. You'd probably agree.

 

[oldsports_]

Uk 88- KU 61. We beat a darn good Miss St team tonite who is really improving weekly. Not a tougher place to play in the SEC than there and Ark. We took their best shot, and still ended on top, what a great SEC road win. Now zI think about it, UK 93 Ku 60

 

[Molardawg2]

Like I said, you will smack them. They struggled for 30 mins against us.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

We should win, but if we let Mason drive at will to the basket, either laying it in, dropping it off to Lucas, or dishing to the shooters, then it's gonna be close. They don't have a great defense either, so unless we have a bad day, I still expect us to win.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

Game's at Rupp. We are about 3 points better than them on a neutral court so I expect the line to be like 6-7. I think KP has the predicted score 89-83.

Then again we were a 10 point favorite at home vs UCLA and we saw what happened.

It'll be a good game. Wouldn't surprise me one bit to see it go down to the last possession or two.

 

[toonces11]

Game's at Rupp. We are about 3 points better than them on a neutral court so I expect the line to be like 6-7. I think KP has the predicted score 89-83.

Then again we were a 10 point favorite at home vs UCLA and we saw what happened.

It'll be a good game. Wouldn't surprise me one bit to see it go down to the last possession or two.

This seems like the most realistic scenario. Two teams that are similar in talent and style, one is home---one is away. UK should win by a handful of possessions. Kansas could pull away and make things difficult if Bam is in foul trouble the whole game or the wheels could fall off if Bragg and Lucas are in foul trouble b/c we have zero depth with our depleted bigs.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Two teams that are similar in talent

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Lol at the draftboard.. Svi in the 1st round in his 3rd year averaging 10/3/1 while Briscoe isn't on there averaging 15/4/4 as a sophomore? Yeah, that won't happen. Kansas isn't close to the talent of Kentucky. Your starters aren't as talented, your bench isn't as talented (and is super shallow right now), and your coach isn't as talented.

Like I said, I'd rather play Kansas at home than any of our SEC road games. The fans will be fired up for like the only 2 games of the season, you're not playing a "let's bend over for Kansas" Big12 team, and you won;t get the calls you normally do/did last year.

If the game is called evenly: Kentucky by 8.
If it's called the way it was last year, for the home team: Kentucky by 18.

 

[Infiltrator]

Lol at the draftboard.. Svi in the 1st round in his 3rd year averaging 10/3/1 while Briscoe isn't on there averaging 15/4/4 as a sophomore? Yeah, that won't happen. Kansas isn't close to the talent of Kentucky. Your starters aren't as talented, your bench isn't as talented (and is super shallow right now), and your coach isn't as talented.

Like I said, I'd rather play Kansas at home than any of our SEC road games. The fans will be fired up for like the only 2 games of the season, you're not playing a "let's bend over for Kansas" Big12 team, and you won;t get the calls you normally do/did last year.

If the game is called evenly: Kentucky by 8.
If it's called the way it was last year, for the home team: Kentucky by 18.

Smh....So IF we lose then we get beat at home by talentless Kansas team......

Kansas won't get calls they normally do in the Big12 but we will get calls by the SEC refs? We've been poorly officiated all season and I don't think that will change for this one game. I see it being pretty even in fouls and if we can't stop Mason from driving then we're screwed if anyone has a bad night.

Svi is younger than Briscoe btw....

Will be fun to come back and see your bold predictions after the game.

It's cool to think we'll come out with a win, I believe we do too. But it's pretty stupid to to call Kansas talentless...Or imply they have way less talent. It makes our fan base look retarded when we make these claims about other respectable programs. Sure I get the hate. Some teams you just hate. Just be careful what your laying out there.

Go ahead and start the bashing cause I don't lay down retarded comments about other programs.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Smh....So IF we lose then we get beat at home by talentless Kansas team......

Kansas won't get calls they normally do in the Big12 but we will get calls by the SEC refs? We've been poorly officiated all season and I don't think that will change for this one game. I see it being pretty even in fouls and if we can't stop Mason from driving then we're screwed if anyone has a bad night.

Svi is younger than Briscoe btw....

Will be fun to come back and see your bold predictions after the game.

It's cool to think we'll come out with a win, I believe we do too. But it's pretty stupid to to call Kansas talentless...Or imply they have way less talent. It makes our fan base look retarded when we make these claims about other respectable programs. Sure I get the hate. Some teams you just hate. Just be careful what your laying out there.

Go ahead and start the bashing cause I don't lay down retarded comments about other programs.

Lol "we" Ok, Kiimo.

Look at the damn draft board if you don't believe me. Look at each teams recruiting classes the last 3 years. That tells you everything you need to know about the talent of the teams.

Never said they were talentless and Briscoe has only played 1.5 years of college ball. Svi is a Junior, maybe not as much PT.. but a junior none-the-less. And he's their 2nd best nba prospect? Don't talk about talent.

Regardless, at the end of the day this isn't in AFH or on a neutral court. You let me know when Briscoe is allowed to walk to the hoop for a game-winning basket, instead of just calling a walk and sending the game into OT. While Kentucky doesn't get the home-cooking others get, it's very very very rare the other team does.. and there's zero chance Kansas gets the same type of "magic" that they get a AHF.

 

[Infiltrator]

Lol "we" Ok, Kiimo.

Look at the damn draft board if you don't believe me. Look at each teams recruiting classes the last 3 years. That tells you everything you need to know about the talent of the teams.

Never said they were talentless and Briscoe has only played 1.5 years of college ball. Svi is a Junior, maybe not as much PT.. but a junior none-the-less. And he's their 2nd best nba prospect? Don't talk about talent.

Regardless, at the end of the day this isn't in AFH or on a neutral court. You let me know when Briscoe is allowed to walk to the hoop for a game-winning basket, instead of just calling a walk and sending the game into OT. While Kentucky doesn't get the home-cooking others get, it's very very very rare the other team does.. and there's zero chance Kansas gets the same type of "magic" that they get a AHF.

I think the teams match up pretty well talent wise. We obviously have advantage on the inside. All they have is Lucas. Sure we have better NBA PROSPECTS. That draft board does not have one factor in this game. Talent wise both teams pretty even for this game. You're sorely mistaken if you think otherwise.

 

[Madcat62_rivals113839]

#1 ranked team you've ever seen? I swear those guys don't pass the eye test at all for me. They're barely squeaking by terrible teams like Oklahoma State and TCU. Honestly, if they were in a real conference, they'd have at least three losses by now.

#1 ranked team you've ever seen? I swear those guys don't pass the eye test at all for me. They're barely squeaking by terrible teams like Oklahoma State and TCU. Honestly, if they were in a real conference, they'd have at least three losses by now.

been a UK fan for 40+ years but get real the big 12 has 3 teams in the top twenty this is not football the sec has UK and that is it we should be winning by 20+ each game

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

="Infiltrator, post: 5541246, member: 83475"Sure we have better NBA PROSPECTS.

wait....what? lol

 

[toonces11]

Lol at the draftboard.. Svi in the 1st round in his 3rd year averaging 10/3/1 while Briscoe isn't on there averaging 15/4/4 as a sophomore? Yeah, that won't happen. Kansas isn't close to the talent of Kentucky. Your starters aren't as talented, your bench isn't as talented (and is super shallow right now), and your coach isn't as talented.

Like I said, I'd rather play Kansas at home than any of our SEC road games. The fans will be fired up for like the only 2 games of the season, you're not playing a "let's bend over for Kansas" Big12 team, and you won;t get the calls you normally do/did last year.

If the game is called evenly: Kentucky by 8.
If it's called the way it was last year, for the home team: Kentucky by 18.

If you think briscoe is an nba player you've lost your mind.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

29 of the 30 2nd round picks aren't NBA players for long.. that's about where he'll get drafted. Is Briscoe going to be an NBA player for more than 2-3 years right now? No. But neither is anyone on that Kansas team not named Josh Jackson.

Also, good work avoiding the other 87% of my post. I fail to see where either you or the other Kansas fan Infiltrator explained how KU has equal talent.

Your guards aren't better and your bigs aren't better. We have better college players and better pro-prospects.. and we also don't have have a bunch of 3-star 4-year players who have peaked.

 

[Nooneputsbabyinacorner]

29 of the 30 2nd round picks aren't NBA players for long.. that's about where he'll get drafted. Is Briscoe going to be an NBA player for more than 2-3 years right now? No. But neither is anyone on that Kansas team not named Josh Jackson.

Also, good work avoiding the other 87% of my post. I fail to see where either you or the other Kansas fan Infiltrator explained how KU has equal talent.

Your guards aren't better and your bigs aren't better. We have better college players and better pro-prospects.. and we also don't have have a bunch of 3-star 4-year players who have peaked.

How do you know your guards are better? We haven't played yet. They don't hand out trophies or W's for having better pro-prospects. The thing about a prospect is that it is based on future development, not current ability to produce. Who is our 3-star 4 year player? Lucas? He's a 5th year player (he took a redshirt year) and is averaging a double double in Big 12 play. Would say that he and Adebayo are a push. Who are Kentucky's other 5* bigs who are having big years? I can't think of any.

I think our teams match up pretty equally. We're both perimeter oriented.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Because we've seen Frank Mason enough to know. Peyton Siva was never better than any of our guards at Kentucky.. he just had 4 years of familiarity that he was finally able to turn into success in his last year. It's a similar scenario to Kansas.. We have 5-star guards.. you don't. Tyler Ulis was taking them to the woodshed last year, but the officials had to bail you out.

And Mason is a 3* 4-year player. How do you not know that? Lucas, I'm not even sure he was 3-stars (I don't care to even look).

Lucas and Bam are a push? [laughing]

What other big men do you have after Lucas, that isn't injured? Bragg? Meh. Your front court is thin and not very good to start with.

 

[Nooneputsbabyinacorner]

Because we've seen Frank Mason enough to know. Peyton Siva was never better than any of our guards at Kentucky.. he just had 4 years of familiarity that he was finally able to turn into success in his last year. It's a similar scenario to Kansas.. We have 5-star guards.. you don't. Tyler Ulis was taking them to the woodshed last year, but the officials had to bail you out.

And Mason is a 3* 4-year player. How do you not know that? Lucas, I'm not even sure he was 3-stars (I don't care to even look).

Lucas and Bam are a push? [laughing]

What other big men do you have after Lucas, that isn't injured? Bragg? Meh. Your front court is thin and not very good to start with.

Frank Mason is currently leading for NPOY. So objective people (not KU or Kentucky fans like us), think otherwise. Frank and Devonte played pretty well against Kentucky's 5-star guards last year (http://www.si.com/college-basketball/game/1576688/box-score?) and are a year older and more experienced.

Fox is a great freshman, but he is nowhere close to being the player that Tyler Ulis was as a sophomore. Ulis was easily the best point guard in the country last year by a country mile. That kid could hurt you from three, going to the basket, on pull-ups or simply finding an open man in the sweet spot for him to make a shot.

Bragg is improving, but is underachieving based on expectations this year. You forgot to answer my question: what 5* big on Kentucky's roster is having a big year, because I can't think of one. If anything, Kentucky's post depth is putting up Bragg type seasons too.

This is going to be a closer game than many here think.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Frank Mason is currently leading for NPOY. So objective people (not KU or Kentucky fans like us), think otherwise. Frank and Devonte played pretty well against Kentucky's 5-star guards last year (http://www.si.com/college-basketball/game/1576688/box-score?) and are a year older and more experienced.

Fox is a great freshman, but he is nowhere close to being the player that Tyler Ulis was as a sophomore. Ulis was easily the best point guard in the country last year by a country mile. That kid could hurt you from three, going to the basket, on pull-ups or simply finding an open man in the sweet spot for him to make a shot.

Bragg is improving, but is underachieving based on expectations this year. You forgot to answer my question: what 5* big on Kentucky's roster is having a big year, because I can't think of one. If anything, Kentucky's post depth is putting up Bragg type seasons too.

This is going to be a closer game than many here think.

Ulis being the best PG and really never having a shot at POY tells you everything you need to know about that accolade. All Frank is doing is coming in his final year knowing exactly what to do, knowing the system, and doing it very well.

But at some point, and this happens every year at Kentucky, our players prove why they are the best in the nation by March (often a lot sooner). Mason has peaked. Lucas has peaked. Graham has is close to that as a Junior.

I mean, just look at recent POY's... bleh. Yeah, they were great because most were seniors and they were perfect for the college game... But I'm taking my Randles and my Murrays and my Knights and my KATs and my Bledsoes and my Cousins.. come March when it counts, and maybe sooner.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

. You forgot to answer my question: what 5* big on Kentucky's roster is having a big year, because I can't think of one. If anything, Kentucky's post depth is putting up Bragg type seasons too.

This is going to be a closer game than many here think.

You mean guys that are all essentially Freshman? Hump as a Sophomore. Similar to my above post, let's see what their February and March looks like. Kentucky is very guard heavy, Bam wasn't getting touches until like 2 weeks ago. Gabriel is really figuring it out. Hump is getting there (but still a ways off).

Kentucky by 8. If Kentucky gets the calls that Kansas got, 18.

 

[Anon1678385964]

Ulis being the best PG and really never having a shot at POY tells you everything you need to know about that accolade. All Frank is doing is coming in his final year knowing exactly what to do, knowing the system, and doing it very well.

But at some point, and this happens every year at Kentucky, our players prove why they are the best in the nation by March (often a lot sooner). Mason has peaked. Lucas has peaked. Graham has is close to that as a Junior.

I mean, just look at recent POY's... bleh. Yeah, they were great because most were seniors and they were perfect for the college game... But I'm taking my Randles and my Murrays and my Knights and my KATs and my Bledsoes and my Cousins.. come March when it counts, and maybe sooner.

You have to be one of those cocky 18 year old kids that think we go 40-0 every year based on star ratings and draft stock and then turn around and bash kids after every game when they have a poor game. If you think that ku game won't be a challenge then you aren't watching college ball this year. Their 2 guards get to the rim at ease and can shoot it, Briscoe and Monk don't defend either of those things. So to think our 2 freshman guards are supreme to their upper classmen due to draft stock is dumb. How was draft stock against Snyder?

I will be nervous next weekend like I am for every big game. Oh and don't get on here crying about refs if we don't win.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Just so we're clear.. Did you really just say Briscoe doesn't defend other guards well. Post of the year material right here!

I'm loving the influx of Kansas fans here. Like clockwork. They come in before the game, and after the loss they are gone for months.

Im not saying its not a challenge.. Im also not guaranteeing a win (although I'm predicting one).

But holy ****.. You guys lost to IU and you beat a crappy Duke team that had 3 star recruits out. What else has Kansas done? You realize that a Kentucky team chock full of freshman and a few sophomores has only 1 more loss?! And it was two top teams with a win over UNC?

Kansas is a stock that I would never buy, any college basketball fan would agree.

 

[Nooneputsbabyinacorner]

Just so we're clear.. Did you really just say Briscoe doesn't defend other guards well. Post of the year material right here!

I'm loving the influx of Kansas fans here. Like clockwork. They come in before the game, and after the loss they are gone for months.

Im not saying its not a challenge.. Im also not guaranteeing a win (although I'm predicting one).

But holy ****.. You guys lost to IU and you beat a crappy Duke team that had 3 star recruits out. What else has Kansas done? You realize that a Kentucky team chock full of freshman and a few sophomores has only 1 more loss?! And it was two top teams with a win over UNC?

Kansas is a stock that I would never buy, any college basketball fan would agree.

I think his moniker has MSU in it. He's either a Michigan State or Mississippi State fan. Duke's freshmen, other than Tatum, have made Duke worse than they were at the beginning of the year.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Ehh I don't know about that. Tatum makes up for Bolden and Giles struggles.. Look at that early duke team.. Allen, Kennard(before he got going), Jackson had a good start.. And Jefferson. That's a top25 team.. Not much more.

And it was a 2-point win.

You only play whoever is on the schedule. Maybe kansas beats UCLA and UofL.. But there's still the eye test, and their schedule was a collection of nobodies and some so-so teams that never had a true shot at beating Kansas. There isn't a win yet that makes you think this is TRULY a top team.