I officiated two his games----Very good, no doubt. Small as you have noted. What I noticed is how well he sets plays up....makes passes with a purpose. Also moves very well without the ball. His shot has improved enough that I feel he can also play the 2. I think he'll be in Bloomington for at 2 years.
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that’s not a bad thing considering he came a year early. I wish we could get some fringe talent to return now and again.
I mean, you have really.....Not lately as much. This year though really supports your statement...No way EJ or Hagans should have left. I mean, mind-boggling really. And I loved EJ. I thought he had star written all over him.
Hagans? I just think he was "average too much", for a kid that talented.
EJ may play in the NBA.....I doubt Hagans does.
We know plus losing Juzang to transfer, those are what really kills me. Every year recently. Even IQ could have returned.
He can recruit Indiana but he doesn't want Cal going in there. Brooks was an IU lock
I keep hearing how talented Montgomery is and how he is going to be a star and a lottery pick, I heard this all last summer. He came back and was no different than he was the year before. Where in the world did he keep all this supposed talent hidden ? He just looked to me like a lazy, out of shape dude, that looked to me like he would rather be doing just about anything other than playing basketball. A guy his size with the potential to make more money than you could spend in 3 lifetimes, and is to lazy to work at the game, well I wouldn't waste my time with him.
Hard to believe IU cannot get talent to come there anymore. The state of Indiana has produced so much talent, how in the world does the premiere university in the state not get at least their fair share of the talent? Heck, even if IU could keep out of state teams from stealing their players, IU would be a powerhouse.
Who in the world would want to play for Indiana, even if you were born and raised there. bobby knight made Indiana the laughing stock of all the college's in the country, and they are never going to live it down. Any school that would let an idiot like knight even overrule the president of the university deserves to be a laughing stock to the end of time. I bet whoever is the Indiana coach still has to hear every day from the boosters, coach knight would not have done it that way, and if only coach knight were still here. knight ruined the university's reputation, and apparently they are never going to recover from their hero, coach knight, and I love it.
Who said they were the premier program in the state. Notre Dame and even Purdue are far ahead of IU.
Agree, 100%. Young man just oozes of talent. I hope his work ethic changes...If not, he better get his degree.
Brooks was never an IU lock...Not even close to a lock. I feel quite comfy with Miller, and his ability to recruit the state. Langford, TJD and now Lander. All 5*'s..Not to mention, IU is in very good shape with Trey Kaufman.
As for Brooks----His decision was his dad's. I don't disagree with it...Wish the kid the best.
Would have been a terrible decision. Potentially could have cost him millions. He was hot....SEC POY---Time to go. With what is coming in, no way he duplicates this past year.
I agree but he would have been huge, he’s still a fringe second rounder even with all that. No way he sneaks in first round IMO, but he does the one thing the NBA loves and that’s shoot the rock.
Archie has done great recruiting the elite Indiana players but the IU fans who down Brooks crack me up. That’s salty and he’s gonna be very good this year. All he needs is a bit more muscle. I know IU fans love a team of Indiana guys but if Archie can expand and get the high four star from the Midwest region/ East coast that will take them to the next level.
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Oh don't get me wrong---I wanted Brooks----badly. I think he's going to be really good. I never felt though he was a OAD kid----but his father sure did. I ain't mad at Brooks, man. You gotta do what is best for you. I do feel he would've seen a ton more time, at IU....BUt whats better for him? A ton of time as a freshman at IU---or as a So. at UK? Time will tell. But no doubt---kid is ubber talented. he would have made a HUGE difference for IU last year.
Not really sure here he goes....COVID has hurt a lot of kids like Hagans. Where the combine is concerned. I've seen kids be fringe 2nd rounders, then blow up at the combne, work-outs, and end up in the 1st round/lottery. Had to be a tough call for him...I just think coming back was too risky.
I agree just read it on Insidethehall all the time about Brooks lol. I think TJD will be first team all B1G this year. He’s a good one.
Love TJD....Needs to develop a mid-range shot, and get stronger with the ball. For a kid as strong as he is, he had surprisingly weak hands; lost the ball a ton. If he delevops a better touch, and a mid-range game---he'll be a lotto pick. Kid is very athletic, and agile. Handles the ball well. Really smooth.
Dude, I argue over this **** all the time on the homeboard...Look, I don't give a **** where the talent comes from. Just get it. Now, I do feel its important to recruit your state...Especially a state that produces the talent Indiana does. I mean, that "gotta have Indiana kids" **** kills me. Its funny too....Look at 1987. ONE kid from the state in the starting 5: Alford. And the kid who made THE biggest impact/change, was Smart----from Louisiana. Weird, huh? ****, look at the 2002 Runner-up team. Jeffries was from Bloomington....Coverdale from Noblesville. Odle from Swayzee, IN After that?
Newton---Atlanta, GA
Moye----Atlanta, GA
Hornsby---Annacoco, LA
Fife----Clarkston, MI
Leach----North Carolina
Perry---Louisiana...
Folks who scream, "We need Indiana kids", are Bob Knight worshipers...and hell, his second title was due to a kid from Illinois----Isiah Thomas. His third? Keith Smart, from Louisiana. His 92/93 teams were dominated by Indiana kids. But its not b/c they were from Indiana---Its, well because they were fcking good.
I cringe when I hear that "Indiana kids " ****..
it’s pretty simple as to why they suck, the indiana pipeline dried up yeah there‘a a few good players but it’s not at the level it was in the 70s and 80s there’s no more farm boys with buzz cuts coming out of the corn to help indiana. Not to mention indiana never established a national recruiting base something UK,UNC,Duke and Kansas have done
You are one of the smart ones. I never understand the guys who literally want 10 Indiana kids in the roster at all times. Some care about graduation rates more than basketball wins. It’s cool when kids take it serious in the classroom but most of them hope to be pro in the sport. All you points are valid get the best players you can from everywhere. Yeah get the Indiana kids who may stay an extra year and play for their home state hard. I’m the end the best players win games.
I remember everyone from that 2002 squad but always forget about Odle. They were so solid and I can honestly say I actually rooted hard for IU against Duke. I was a temporary member that day.
Indiana while I agree isn’t as deep with elite D1 talent as in some past years, but you can always count on 3-4 impact guys every single year. If you can get those guys consistently then you always have a good foundation. I’d say the 2020 class seems to be down from usual higher end talent though.
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You aren't a bandwagon Buc's fan are you? I've seen more fans coming out of the woodwork this year than I have in their 44 year existence. I sure hope Brady was worth it because Jameis deserved to lead them to prominence.
I started rooting for the Bucs in the early 80’s. Strange pick for a kid from Kentucky, but I chose the Bucs because everyone else in my school was a Cowboys or a Niners fan. It was sort of the anti-bandwagon pick. I wanted to be different.
I also loved the symbol on the helmet (now my avatar).
I have suffered being called a Yucs/Suckaneers fan.
I am definitely NOT a bandwagon fan.
So what’s your story? How did you become a Bucs and Cat fan?
I thought Tampacat and I had the market cornered on that. LOL!
The state still produces big time talent. And a ton if it. IU has sucked *** b/c of terrible hires.....And of course not being able to recruit the state, i.e. TOM CREAN.
The talent has simply gone elsewhere:
Teague, Gary Harris, Zeller, Langford, Eric Gordon, Zach Randolph, Mike Conley, Gordon Hayward, Keion Brooks, Jalen Johnson, Greg Oden, E'Twaun Moore, Trey Lyles.....
BOLD: Did not go to Indiana.
Talent is there. Until recently, Iu simply wasn't getting it. Get 50% of the above dudes, and **** might be different.
At least you got to see one of the greatest defenses ever assembled in that 2002 Super Bowl winning team under John Gruden. That team defense was nasty and led probably one of the weaker QB’s to win a title.
Good choice on your team selections.
I am a Wildcat fan because my stepdad grew up in Kentucky so I had to watch UK games growing up. We moved to Riverview Florida in 75' and lived in the surrounding area for 8 years. Always loved my Bucs and the creamsicle uniforms because we were unique and different. Glad to see a fellow Bucs fan on here. Let's hope Brady leads us to the promised land.Good choice on your team selections.
I am psyched to see him and Gronk as Bucs. I have always liked both guys, especially Gronk (I always tried to get Gronk on my fantasy team). Can’t wait to see them connect as Bucs. I’ll probably cry tears of joy after their first TD as Bucs. Just kidding...maybe.
Also looking forward to seeing what our WR’s do with Brady in there.
To be honest, I have never been a Winston fan. I wanted Mariotta honestly when we picked Winston. I know Mariotta has been worse than Winston (my brother and brother-in-law are both huge Titans fans, so I follow them pretty closely as well), so that shows what I know. LOL!
Well anyway, go Cats and go Bucs!
Yeah, this has to be the most exciting off-season in Buc's history. I just hope fans are allowed because Tampa deserves to have a full stadium with all fans rooting for the Buc's for a change. The anticipation is heart wrenching and I'm so physicked to see it. I wanted Mariotta as well but, I was wrong and I'm okay to admit it. Jameis is one frustrating individual for sure but, has lot's of talent and just needs to cleanup the mistakes. Being a Buc's fan is tough and we are due for a winning season including playoffs. We have suffered long enough. Here's to a great season for the Buc's and Cats!
The boosters and the one's doing the hiring and just bring themselves to hire a good coach, because it would lessen the legend of their hero, bobby knight. The boosters who are the ones with the big money still worship knight. knight made India the laughing stock of the country, and the boosters still worship him. knight was the cause of all of Indiana's problems, and as long as the boosters worship him, which aparently will be forever, Indiana will continue to be a has been program. I hope the boosters continue to worship that idiot knight, so they will continue to suck forever. I dislike Indiana because of knight, but I hate duke because of all their prefrential treatment by the ncaa. Wait just a minute, duke's sorry *** coach was trained by knight, wasn't he ? knight continues to ruin college basketball even after he is no longer involved, through his hand trained coach at duke.
Actually, the exact opposite. The powers to be were adamant NOT to have another coach that overshadowed the school. That mentality has trickled down over the years. I think it changes with Dolson. Those boosters with big money, know little about Knight, TBH. Mark Cuban being one. That dude has repeatedly stated----"When it comes to a coach, money will not be an issue."....Now the Kochs are a different animal. But look, it has zero to do with the boosters....It has to do with the administration. No matter how much money there is, if the AD/President don't wanna hire "The Guy", it ain't gonna matter how much $$$ there are.
When Davis resigned, there were 4 names that were highly interested in the Indiana job: Belien, Calipari, Sampson and Matta. The administration demanded/wanted a minority hire...Why? I dunno. But they did. And well , IU hires Sampson. Now, from a coaching standpoint----Home Run. Dude can coach. But from an ethical standpoint? Yikes. It was a terrible decision. Indiana could have had Bennett during the Davis years. BUT, well, Davis takes Indiana to the title game. Now---I mean, how do you not extend a guy who just took you to the National title game, 2 years into his tenure?
It has been one bad decision after another. Decision's fueled by Bob Knight, and the previous administration. Bobby had become bigger than the University, and the powers to be were determined to never let that happen again. Under Dolson, I think that changes. He's a dude that understands what Indiana Basketball means to the people of Indiana. Miller had better win----Because of he does not---Dolson will not mess around.
He won’t be old enough after this year to be in the draft. He’s in Bloomington for 2 years.
Koch’s? You mean Cook? We never had a shot at Bennett because of the way we treated Kathi. I heard that many times over from the time I worked at IU. Dolson from all accounts is Glass 2.0. Hope I’m wrong.
Yeah, meant Cook. Bennett was fine.
I like Dolson. And TBH, asides from the **** show with Crean, I thought Glass was ok.
Top 5 defense all time for sure. They pressured the QB like no other. Maybe 85' bears pressured better.
If Brady still has anything left, the Bucs should really shine. Goodwin, and Evans are probably the best set of recievers on one team in the league. Throw in Gronk and they should have the top recieving corps in football. They should have signed the rb that was cut by KC, that went to the Browns. The guy may be an idiot off the field, but in my opinion he is potentialy the best running back in the league. They also have a tough defense. If they had that running back they would be one of the favorites. They should be really fun to watch this year. I never thought that I would be saying that about the Bucs, but I am just telling the truth.
Defense still needs work. Offense should be great. Best receiving corps in the league on paper. Running game will be fine. Not great, but adequate.