In or Out?

[Knightmoves]

I didn't say there was virtue in being a better fan. But I do think that someone who sticks with the program and attends games in the worst of times is arguably a better fan than someone who gives up.

I know a lot of people are torn over this issue, and it certainly may be the case that not supporting the program financially will bring about change faster than supporting the program at this point.

But if attendance falls under 10k per game, and I think it could, I would consider the people who are out there to be the better fans.

If RU season ticket sales go down to the 8-10k level, then those are the true core fans. Every program has them. No matter how poor the results on the field are, these fans will renew their tickets every year. They are a consistent revenue stream so they are good fans for RU. They also like tailgating I’d guess.

All other season ticket holders are willing to spend their time away from the stadium on game days if the results continue to be poor. They may watch the games at home but that adds no revenue to RU. Most season ticket holders look forward to the possibility of winning games when they walk into the stadium. Without that then RU FB is a tough sell.

Not to mention the public humiliation at work when ur known as an RU season ticket holder. We know how that feels and it isn’t good.

 

[joshk ru03]

In regardless. RU alum and supporter forever. It's amazing how many people on here see RU football the same way they see pro sports. I will never lose site that this is an academic institution first and athletics are secondary. Yes it's a crappy time right now but without support it will not get better. Also thank you all for better seat and parking options.

 

[RUaMoose_rivals]

It's never been this bad, never. Nothing comes close. The Shea era was better as bad as that was.

Shea was likable and there was some hope after his 5 win Y3, COY, etc. Guys played hard even though they weren’t the most talented. Even in awful Y4 they managed to upset Syracuse as a 30 point dog. No way in hell Rob is pulling that off.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I have never been a season ticket holder but have gone from going to almost every home game and trying to convince the wife to get season tickets and almost getting them to not caring if I even watch the game liveon TV, erasing the DVR before even watching games and bringing the wife to get her hair and nails done on a Saturday and not even caring and feeling so happy I never wasted that money on season tickets.
Only thing I miss right now are some of the very good people at various tailgates.
I hope that answers the OP question...

 

[krup]

There is a simple explanation for why this situation is much worse than the Shea era and how giving up or reducing their RU tickets doesn't make someone less of a true fan. It is the difference between frustration and anger.

The Shea era brought a ton of frustration but not anger, because while Rutgers wasn't successful, they had never been and you felt like they were trying but for a variety of reasons couldn't get it done. Reading about Barchi's (at best) indifference to sports, the overemphasis on what would be an insignificant buyout (based on potential revenue), and anecdotal evidence of Ash's perceived lack of commitment and how he couldn't give a s**t about Rutgers, has led to anger. Anger drives people more than frustration.

 

[gunboat]

Season ticket holder for 13 years. I thought last year was tough getting friends to go to games. This year we just gave up and have only attended 2 games--one of them psu this weekend. Waiting to see what direction administration will take in the near future. Could go from 8 to 2 tics and 2 to 1 red parking. Redirect funding to basketball. Have 2 tics and green for bb for years.

 

[RutgersROB]

Other than the Stadium expansion what was built during that era?

The block R logo

 

[WhiteBus]

Just as a point of debate, I think it does. This isn't meant to be offensive, and lord knows keeping season tix or not is not really meaningful to someone who is 10,000 miles away, but I think the person stays in during the really bad times is a better fan than one who does not.

What do others think?

I'm not trying to be offensive either but if everyone kept there tickets what would Rutgers motivation be to change and try to improve? Is a person a 1000 miles away, who eats, drinks, sleeps Rutgers and comes to a few games each year, less of a fan who has season tickets and really doesn't care if they win or loses?
I've been a season ticket holder for 30+ years. Doesnt make me more or less a fan of anyone that love Rutgers Football.

 

[vkj91]

In regardless. RU alum and supporter forever. It's amazing how many people on here see RU football the same way they see pro sports. I will never lose site that this is an academic institution first and athletics are secondary. Yes it's a crappy time right now but without support it will not get better. Also thank you all for better seat and parking options.

They are not mutually exclusive. When a ticket is $55, you have mandatory seat donations, parking is 50$, and I can’t bring water into the stadium you are essentially a pro sport. The school needs to treat it as such. If I wanted to watch true student athletes, I’d go to Ivy and Patriot league games for 15$ and free parking.

 

[KingHigh]

I didn't say there was virtue in being a better fan. But I do think that someone who sticks with the program and attends games in the worst of times is arguably a better fan than someone who gives up.

I know a lot of people are torn over this issue, and it certainly may be the case that not supporting the program financially will bring about change faster than supporting the program at this point.

But if attendance falls under 10k per game, and I think it could, I would consider the people who are out there to be the better fans.

It makes them better fans. But if there is no virtue in that, then evaluating that is meaningless. If there is any virtue to be found, it would be found in the people who want to be at the games but abstain in order to bring about the good in the long run.

 

[Upstream]

It makes them better fans. But if there is no virtue in that, then evaluating that is meaningless. If there is any virtue to be found, it would be found in the people who want to be at the games but abstain in order to bring about the good in the long run.

There is some virtue in it, which is why those who keep their season tickets get some benefits:

• They get tickets to watch games next year.
• They get to keep their same seats the following year, and every year they retain season tickets.
• They get another year of consecutive season tickets added to their priority point total.

But that's it. The problem is when people start thinking it is worth more and therefore they should be entitled to more. If you watched Temple in the rain, or renewed your tickets in Ash's 4th year, you're entitled to the benefits you get. You're not being treated unfairly because Rutgers won't give you free Scarlet parking for the rest of your life.

 

[Zombo NJ]

personally out ...but group not totally out

went from 14 to 10 this year...suspect 2 next year because
one guy wants to keep rolling with points...it's kinda sad reading
this thread and thinking back 10 years ago or even 5

 

[RUchip]

How insane is it that most die hard fans are dropping some tix or all their tix? If the administration doesn't get that it's time to make a change, then they never will.

They don’t care. This is nothing new.

 

[GuessYouWereWrong]

So you preferred losing 70-0 to the likes of Syracuse?

Rutgers would lose to Syracuse 70-0 if they played today.

The two programs are in two VASTLY different spots right now.

 

[RU4Real]

So far...

The math is a little fuzzy, because some people were non-specific. In those cases I defaulted to a value of 2 tickets, currently.

Given that, the prospective decrease for next year is about 54%. Call it half, just for simplicity.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

So far...

The math is a little fuzzy, because some people were non-specific. In those cases I defaulted to a value of 2 tickets, currently.

Given that, the prospective decrease for next year is about 54%. Call it half, just for simplicity.

Would be interesting to do this same thread in March/April when we know for sure that Ash will return, and when we're not in the emotional throws of such an awful season.

 

[RU4Real]

Would be interesting to do this same thread in March/April when we know for sure that Ash will return, and when we're not in the emotional throws of such an awful season.

That was precisely my goal - it's mentioned somewhere in the first page, because @Upstream was asking about my statement re: it being a good necrothread.

 

[RU from Jersey_rivals]

Out. Not being an alum makes this really easy to do. I started with 5 went down to 2 and see no reason to waste my time or money on this product. I just don't see any chance of this coaching staff turning this around. I am one of the few that believes that there is some talent on this team and if used correctly and coached up properly would have won more games plus would have been competitive in the others. To me there is no hope(other than a new coaching staff). Heck when you are this bad, at least in the pros, you get the first pick in the draft that provides some hope . Sorry, but this needs to be said again: this coach as a defensive coordinator at Arkansas was torched by RU. Need I say more.

 

[krup]

Just as a point of debate, I think it does. This isn't meant to be offensive, and lord knows keeping season tix or not is not really meaningful to someone who is 10,000 miles away, but I think the person stays in during the really bad times is a better fan than one who does not.

What do others think?

I disagree. People keeping their tickets are more loyal, but that doesn't necessarily make them better. If one side of relationship has issues but feels no pressure to correct them because there are no circumstances in which the other side will end things, that makes the situation worse not better.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Over the course of the season, multiple people have stated in various threads that they'd be dropping a significant portion of their season tickets or just dropping them all together if ash is brought back. This is especially concerning to me and hopefully to our athletic department because if our absolute die-hard fans on message boards are dropping season tix, parking and donations, have to imagine all of the casual fans are as well. I was hoping in this one thread we could keep track of how many season tix and parking passes will be dropped if ash is back. Besides the financial part of it, it will crush recruiting (as if it's not awful already) playing in empty stadiums and it will be hard to win these fans back when a change is inevitably made anyway.

For starters, my season tix have dropped from 4 to 2 under the Ash regime and I will be dropping those remaining two plus my parking pass if ash is back. Curious to know what others will do.

 

[Knight Shift]

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

gif doesn't make sense for this thread. 1/10

 

[Knight Shift]

gif doesn't make sense for this thread. 1/10

None of your threads make sense. 0/10.

Why duplicate a thread that has already been started?
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/in-or-out.156331/

 

[BlockR]

its already down 8k over last two seasons,add another 3k to 4k this next season if Asherror is back.
Do Barchi and Hobbs even care...?

 

[BlockR]

In regardless. RU alum and supporter forever. It's amazing how many people on here see RU football the same way they see pro sports. I will never lose site that this is an academic institution first and athletics are secondary. Yes it's a crappy time right now but without support it will not get better. Also thank you all for better seat and parking options.

next season you and Rutgers Al will be able to sit wherever you want.
watch out for the tumbleweeds..

 

[WhiteBus]

I disagree. People keeping their tickets are more loyal, but that doesn't necessarily make them better. If one side of relationship has issues but feels no pressure to correct them because there are no circumstances in which the other side will end things, that makes the situation worse not better.

I'm going to disagree. In the end people don't buy tickets because of some sort of loyalty. They buy tickets because they like to go tailgate and watch football in person. Loyalty has nothing to do with it. Having fun does. Others who have great seats renew to keep their location in the hopes that someday Rutgers will be entertaining again. Again loyalty has nothing to do with it.
Is a season ticket holder a bigger fan than an 8 year old kid who bleeds Scarlet, knows every players stats and Jersey # and screams his head off rooting for his Scarlet Knights?? Of course not.
Having season tickets doesn't raise your social status above that don't.

 

[NickKnight 1]

gif doesn't make sense for this thread. 1/10

I've been sticking it out for 7 decades I just can't drop them. I guess I'm just
a true fan, or a little crazy.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

One more year of B1G Build Fund Donation. Not sure if we will make new gifts to athletics after that.

hmmm.. if you say that you will redirect your athletics gifts to the academic side I think, maybe, that gives Barchi incentive to fail on football.

The people who kept season tickets through the Shea years and donated are the reason we are where in the Big Ten. Without them, McCormick and the BOG would never have allowed Mulcahy to hire GS and spend more on football. The Big Ten would never have come calling.

Unless the Big Ten really can kick us out, I'm not sure keeping season tickets or cancelling them will produce any effect.

 

[RedSpartan]

its already down 8k over last two seasons,add another 3k to 4k this next season if Asherror is back.
Do Barchi and Hobbs even care...?

Hobbs does, Barchi doesn't. That's the main problem.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Hobbs does, Barchi doesn't. That's the main problem.

Barchi hired Hobbs to do his job.

 

[BlockR]

Barchi hired Hobbs to do his job.

and Hobbs has failed at the largest revenue sport hire.

 

[knightfan7]

I've been sticking it out for 7 decades I just can't drop them. I guess I'm just
a true fan, or a little crazy.

True fan instead of a "look at me" poster is my guess.

I support the team. Not going nowhere.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

The block R logo

The Block R logo was around a long time ago and even used in 1988 because people were wearing them.. just a big block R on a sweatshirt. While Schiano got it done here there was a movement on this board (or whatever board it was then) to move to the Block R from those highly stylized knighthead logos and lettering.

We spent a lot of professional design of that old logo and everyone just wanted the block R. Can you imagine if a Rice or Ryder started using the block R?

 

[krup]

I'm going to disagree. In the end people don't buy tickets because of some sort of loyalty. They buy tickets because they like to go tailgate and watch football in person. Loyalty has nothing to do with it. Having fun does. Others who have great seats renew to keep their location in the hopes that someday Rutgers will be entertaining again. Again loyalty has nothing to do with it.
Is a season ticket holder a bigger fan than an 8 year old kid who bleeds Scarlet, knows every players stats and Jersey # and screams his head off rooting for his Scarlet Knights?? Of course not.
Having season tickets doesn't raise your social status above that don't.

Season ticket holders versus non season ticket holders wasn’t the comparison I was making.

The post I was responding to argued that season ticket holders who keep their tickets are better fans than season ticket holders who get rid of them in response to Ash staying.

 

[Knight Shift]

hmmm.. if you say that you will redirect your athletics gifts to the academic side I think, maybe, that gives barchi incentive to fail on football.

The redirection to RU academics may or may not happen. Will have one kid in college next year, quite possibly at a private school, and a second kid 2 years after that. Those dollars will be redirected to the academic side, for sure--our family academic side. If one or both kids wind up at Rutgers, then that opens up some gift funds.

 

[fatsam98]

So far...

The math is a little fuzzy, because some people were non-specific. In those cases I defaulted to a value of 2 tickets, currently.

Given that, the prospective decrease for next year is about 54%. Call it half, just for simplicity.

You could argue that it will be even more than that, as presumably the people on this board are the subset of our season ticket base most invested in the program.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

The Block R has been around since the 1800's.

In 1966, Rutgers put it on the helmets for one season.

In the 1980's it was used on hats and sweaters. The cheer team also used it on their uniforms.

During the Schiano years, Rutgers redesign it slightly and it was returned to the helmets.

 

[Plum Street]

My group once 8, is down to 4 this year . If ash is back it’s going to 1 or 2. We have grown tired of paying for garbage. Or celebrating that we played a team close for a quarter .

 

[RU19931]

None, i am keeping my four

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

I felt like we needed to put the census on the record.

Here's the setup:

It's the end of the season, we're officially 1-11 and Ash is back next year.

For season ticket holders: Do you renew, Yes / No?

I will not renew until ash is gone. We're losing a generations worth of fans