I need some FACTUAL antiDuke info

[FrankUnderwood]

My question is then why didn't we make a bigger offer?

Because we do things the right way? OK so don't ***** once Duke is the All Time program in 3 years.

I’ve seen it all now. Are you actually upset that Cal/ UK didn’t offer Zion hundreds of thousands of $$$ to atttend UK?

We’d be on probation instantly.

I understand frustration, i really do but I can’t fathom being ANGRY and bitching that we didn’t also cheat to obtain players

 

[gojvc]

Duke sucks. That’s a fact.

 

[delawaredukies]

Lol a ton of speculation without a once of fact or any credible evidence! Dont you think with all the duke hate our there that some journalist would investigate and pull out some truth ?? Sounds like envy to me ! Get real guys

 

[BBUK_anon]

Lol a ton of speculation without a once of fact or any credible evidence! Dont you think with all the duke hate our there that some journalist would investigate and pull out some truth ?? Sounds like envy to me ! Get real guys

Ounce of fact once a fact...

 

[School boy]

I’ve seen it all now. Are you actually upset that Cal/ UK didn’t offer Zion hundreds of thousands of $$$ to atttend UK?

We’d be on probation instantly.

I understand frustration, i really do but I can’t fathom being ANGRY and bitching that we didn’t also cheat to obtain players

I didn't ever say anyone got paid. But it's working for them what ever it is while lots of our fans want Cal gone

 

[Wall2Boogie]

Smh. Just being a Duke fan and posting here, and or disagreeing with a UK fan about topics relating to Duke 99.79 % of the time is trolling I suppose.

I’ve maybe started 2 to 3 threads here if that? I scan for talk about Duke, I find, I respond to most of them. That’s not trolling. Mods here have let me know when I’ve blurred that line and I have made the necessary corrections

<<<<———-puke board that way, I’m sure you will find some of your own kind over there. Go say hello

 

[BBUK_anon]

I didn't ever say anyone got paid. But it's working for them what ever it is while lots of our fans want Cal gone

Not "lots", just a vocal few...they will look very ignorant at some point in the future but no one will take the time to look them up at that time and call them on it. (There may be a couple that get reminded when it's time.) To them, no harm, no foul...live for the moment...

 

[FrankUnderwood]

I didn't ever say anyone got paid. But it's working for them what ever it is while lots of our fans want Cal gone

Oh I see, my apologies for assuming.

As far as “lots of our fans want Cal gone” that is simply untrue. The loud and vocal minority who say to fire Cal etc here on a message board are few and far between when it comes to actual fans and don’t represent the fan base as a whole. Thankfully.

 

[loublue22_rivals308424]

its a fact they embarrassed us about a month ago, these kinds of threads look so desperate

just leave it alone, what's so hard about that?

 

[BBUK_anon]

Oh I see, my apologies for assuming.

As far as “lots of our fans want Cal gone” that is simply untrue. The loud and vocal minority who say to fire Cal etc here on a message board are few and far between when it comes to actual fans and don’t represent the fan base as a whole. Thankfully.

Wish I'd almost stated that...

 

[BD Warrior]

Not a Duke fan but I get tired of all these cheating allegations without concrete proof? It makes our fan base look really stupid. I know all big time schools pay players including Kentucky. If you don't think that happens here you are completely naive. I just want proof that Duke has been cheating. Until then give it up because it makes us look like losers.

 

[Rideordiewildcat]

Smh. Just being a Duke fan and posting here, and or disagreeing with a UK fan about topics relating to Duke 99.79 % of the time is trolling I suppose.

I’ve maybe started 2 to 3 threads here if that? I scan for talk about Duke, I find, I respond to most of them. That’s not trolling. Mods here have let me know when I’ve blurred that line and I have made the necessary corrections

Wow they are nice. I went to the dook board a few times and just posted a vid last year showing we did try to shake KST hands after dookies were trashing us about it and I got attacked and then banded. It was my first post so you should feel pretty lucky you can even post here with the double standard on other boards.

 

[Rideordiewildcat]

Not a Duke fan but I get tired of all these cheating allegations without concrete proof? It makes our fan base look really stupid. I know all big time schools pay players including Kentucky. If you don't think that happens here you are completely naive. I just want proof that Duke has been cheating. Until then give it up because it makes us look like losers.

https://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/page/the_loyalty_game.html

 

[anon_013cn8yrfncx2]

Look up rat in the dictionary.

 

[wildcat1515]

Lol a ton of speculation without a once of fact or any credible evidence! Dont you think with all the duke hate our there that some journalist would investigate and pull out some truth ?? Sounds like envy to me ! Get real guys

Coach K has everyone scared to go after him. They know he is untouchable.

 

[Jpthegame]

Bagley and family were brought out of bankruptcy. Fact.

Bagley and family were provided a $1 million dollar home by K/Duke/Nike Fact.

Bagley attended a private school also attended by millionaire celebrities (wonder how he paid for that ?)

Zion and family live in a nearly $1 million dollar home. Facts

Zion and family are on record wanting money, house and jobs. Zion attends duke. Facts

1. By Nike, not Duke
2. By Nike, Not Duke
3. With money from Nike, Not Duke
(1-3 all perfectly acceptable under ncaa rules bc Bagley runs an aau program)
4. Really? What’s the address? What are the lease terms? What is the Williamson’s financial situation and how do you know they can’t afford where they live?
5. No they aren’t. A runner asked for money. He represented the Williamson’s with no evidence of a relationship with them or the ability/endorsement to represent them.

You’re 0-5 with the “facts”. Maybe just list them as hopes or wishes or suspicions?

 

[MNantz]

I didn’t say I think Duke is clean. There’s not a school at this level that is clean when you take into consideration these ridiculous rules. There’s very little PROOF was the point of the post

the proof is there and has always been there , the NCAA just looks the other way when the Rat Faced Bastard and Dook are involved !!

 

[MNantz]

1. By Nike, not Duke
2. By Nike, Not Duke
3. With money from Nike, Not Duke
(1-3 all perfectly acceptable under ncaa rules bc Bagley runs an aau program)
4. Really? What’s the address? What are the lease terms? What is the Williamson’s financial situation and how do you know they can’t afford where they live?
5. No they aren’t. A runner asked for money. He represented the Williamson’s with no evidence of a relationship with them or the ability/endorsement to represent them.

You’re 0-5 with the “facts”. Maybe just list them as hopes or wishes or suspicions?

Its on tape the people from JailHawk U say Zion is asking for stuff, and guess where he got it , Dook and Pork Bell Capel before he hit the road !!

 

[*CatinIL*]

Dukies...

 

[billCgmx]

The Williamson family lives in some place called Colvard Farms in Durham. I started to google it and look what showed up in the results before I could finish typing.

 

[Wall2Boogie]

Not a Duke fan but I get tired of all these cheating allegations without concrete proof? It makes our fan base look really stupid. I know all big time schools pay players including Kentucky. If you don't think that happens here you are completely naive. I just want proof that Duke has been cheating. Until then give it up because it makes us look like losers.

If we’re pay for players like you allege, we need to give them a raise

 

[jameslee32]

Duke was created from profits accumulated in the cigarette processing and distribution industry. You can make an argument about a giant cloud of smoke hanging over Durham with millions of deaths by addiction to nicotine.

Have a great day!

 

[billCgmx]

I see lot of tweeters asking the media types why they don't look into this Zion story and none of them will even comment on it. Well, I shouldn't say none.

 

[FrankUnderwood]

1. By Nike, not Duke
2. By Nike, Not Duke
3. With money from Nike, Not Duke
(1-3 all perfectly acceptable under ncaa rules bc Bagley runs an aau program)
4. Really? What’s the address? What are the lease terms? What is the Williamson’s financial situation and how do you know they can’t afford where they live?
5. No they aren’t. A runner asked for money. He represented the Williamson’s with no evidence of a relationship with them or the ability/endorsement to represent them.

You’re 0-5 with the “facts”. Maybe just list them as hopes or wishes or suspicions?

At this point Nike/Duke = connected so still facts

5/5 son. You are still seeking our validation I see.

 

[Pickle_Rick]

Duke fans, you got a little something on your nose. And you should gargle more often. Get that aftertaste out of your mouth.

 

[DelkBowl]

I'm skeptical OP isn't a duke fan.

 

[TheDude1]

Life has unfortunately put me in social contact with a few Duke fans. Please ONLY give me facts, with PROOF, about Duke Bball and recruiting. ( ie. Duhon, Thomas, Maggette, Bagely, Williamson, etc) Thanks. Again, substanciated facts ONLY.

Obviously you won't find any facts with proof about Duke cheating; if it was out there... like, actual facts with proof... Duke would have gotten in trouble. The same is true with nearly every program.

Traditionally people go after Duke for a few stories.

One is the Duhon one; namely, that Duhon's mother got a job as part of his agreeing to attend Duke. There aren't really any facts or proof there... Duhon's mom got a job in the field she was working in. Some people say that she wasn't qualified or whathaveyou, but that all comes from that single article that was linked earlier, and one or two sources... an article which also paints owning a Nissan Altima and a decade old SUV as a possible issue, so it may not be entirely on the up and up. I've never seen anything more about it. Not a good look, for sure, but not facts or proof.

The Maggette thing didn't have anything really to do with Duke; at no point did anyone suspect Duke of doing anything involving it. The NCAA had other players who got wrapped up in the same situation and had to sit a few games. They said that that was not a possible option with Duke since Maggette was already gone, and that wiping all the games out would be both over-the-top and inconsistent with what they had done with the other players. It really has nothing to do with Duke, and was consistent with how the NCAA has treated these sorts of things over the years (for example, John Wall sitting a game or two because of... what was it, a plane ticket?)

The Lance Thomas one is one that looks bad, but again, you won't find anything close to proof or substantiated information. Thomas went to a NYC jewelry store when the team was on a trip there and spent 100k on some REALLY ugly jewelry. Or more accurately he spent 30k, and then the other 70k was a "loan" from the store. The store then said he defaulted on it. That's it; nobody involved has talked about it openly. It would be odd for this to involve Duke; he wasn't a recruit when this happened, but a senior, and it happened many states away from campus and in a store with no obvious Duke connections, to it is unlikely that the staff organized this as some free payoff or whatever. The more likely scenario is that he got the loan based on his potential future earnings as an NBA player, although at the time NOBODY thought Lance Thomas would play professional ball anywhere other than possible Tibet. This would create a situation where he was ineligible. But again, you won't find "proof" or anything like that.

I admit I don't know a lot about the Zion thing... something about a house. Everyone seems to have some story settled upon. Until an actual reporter gets on it, rather than some random message board poster, I'd treat that as a bit suspicious.

So yeah, you aren't going to find what you want.

(Having said that... as a Duke guy, I am sure the program is dirty in SOME way... to me, the Duhon story, for example, seems very likely to have been some improper setup. But I also am a person who thinks that EVERY program, unfortunately, works this way... when there are billions of dollars involved, that happens. Fingers crossed that I am wrong!)

 

[DelkBowl]

Not a Duke fan but I get tired of all these cheating allegations without concrete proof? It makes our fan base look really stupid. I know all big time schools pay players including Kentucky. If you don't think that happens here you are completely naive. I just want proof that Duke has been cheating. Until then give it up because it makes us look like losers.

troll

 

[YouKay]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/jan/18/20030118-010354-8922r/ This was from 2003.

Nonetheless, Duke finds itself today in a situation familiar since Krzyzewski took over the program and built it into a national power again in the mid-1980s. The Blue Devils are ranked No.1 heading into their game against 17th-ranked Maryland at Comcast Center. They are the nation's only undefeated Division I team and have a heralded six-man freshmen class designed to retain the status. But despite the quick start, it's too early to tell if Duke has recovered from last season's talent drain and from its smudged reputation.

The ESPN show suggested some players are taking "easy" classes and majors to get their degrees and noted that an unusually high number of players are studying sociology, which is considered a light course taken by only a small percentage of the student body.

According to this season's media guide, three of the seven players who have decided on majors chose sociology. Williams, the second overall pick by the Chicago Bulls, graduated in three years with a sociology degree. Boozer, a second-round pick by Cleveland, also was a sociology major.

The segment also claimed Duke accepted basketball players whose high school grades and standardized test scores were dramatically lower than the rest of the incoming class and used freshman Sean Dockery as an example. Krzyzewski fired back before this season.

"That [program] was bogus," said Krzyzewski, who refused to be interviewed for the show.

Sociology at Duke = AFAM at UNC.

 

[YouKay]

And here is the story from the Louisiana paper about Chris Duhon and his mom's mysterious job and escape from foreclosure:

http://bandwagonboy.proboards.com/thread/641/chris-vivian-harper-background-information

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

There use to be a website that tracked all Duke's transgressions. I think it was called Truth about Duke but I can't seem to find it now.

 

[YouKay]

BTW, UK offered Duhon and thought they had a really good shot at landing him. Recruited him harder than anyone else that year. There was a rumor he had even verbally committed to Coach Smith. But UK could not stop him from taking his last official visit to Duke, and he committed while on that visit, accompanied by his mom.

Lots and lots of folks here on this board took that as a sign that Tubby Smith could not land a top recruit anymore.

Sound familiar?????

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Honestly there is no real proof just a lot of people wishing there was. People are trying discredit their incredible recruiting lately and they are reaching for anything. Best thing to do is let it be and talk about overall championships or smoothing like that.

Honestly if you think there is no proof after the Myron Piggey ordeal alone then you are a Duke homer who doesn't want to see the truth.

 

[YouKay]

There use to be a website that tracked all Duke's transgressions. I think it was called Truth about Duke but I can't seem to find it now.

That website is gone but there are still Facebook and Twitter pages called Truth About Duke. The great thing about that old website was that it archived everything, including newspaper articles that you can't find anymore. It was started by some Maryland fans in the early 2000s when that rivalry was one of the most heated in college basketball.

 

[TheDude1]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/jan/18/20030118-010354-8922r/ This was from 2003.

Nonetheless, Duke finds itself today in a situation familiar since Krzyzewski took over the program and built it into a national power again in the mid-1980s. The Blue Devils are ranked No.1 heading into their game against 17th-ranked Maryland at Comcast Center. They are the nation's only undefeated Division I team and have a heralded six-man freshmen class designed to retain the status. But despite the quick start, it's too early to tell if Duke has recovered from last season's talent drain and from its smudged reputation.

The ESPN show suggested some players are taking "easy" classes and majors to get their degrees and noted that an unusually high number of players are studying sociology, which is considered a light course taken by only a small percentage of the student body.

According to this season's media guide, three of the seven players who have decided on majors chose sociology. Williams, the second overall pick by the Chicago Bulls, graduated in three years with a sociology degree. Boozer, a second-round pick by Cleveland, also was a sociology major.

The segment also claimed Duke accepted basketball players whose high school grades and standardized test scores were dramatically lower than the rest of the incoming class and used freshman Sean Dockery as an example. Krzyzewski fired back before this season.

"That [program] was bogus," said Krzyzewski, who refused to be interviewed for the show.

Sociology at Duke = AFAM at UNC.

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that a sociology degree at Duke is the same as what we all recognize as one of the biggest shams in college basketball history. Having been an athlete at Duke myself, I've taken plenty of classes with basketball players, and studied with basketball players, and the like. Some were crappier students (and even transferred out... Joey Beard couldn't care less) and some were excellent students... Grant Hill and Carmen Wallace were SERIOUS students. Sociology might not be engineering, but it is a real degree with real requirements, and from my own personal experiences the basketball players have to take the classes the same as anyone else.

As for players being admitted who were not at the same level as the typical Duke student... well, yeah. That happens across many different schools in many different sports.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

That website is gone but there are still Facebook and Twitter pages called Truth About Duke. The great thing about that old website was that it archived everything, including newspaper articles that you can't find anymore. It was started by some Maryland fans in the early 2000s when that rivalry was one of the most heated in college basketball.

Yes it was very detailed with links to articles.

 

[YouKay]

There was also documentation that Carlos Boozer's dad got a 6-figure job in Durham, and that he filed a police report for a stolen car stereo that he said was worth $10,000 stolen out of a Lincoln Navigator. Once that stuff hit the Internet he quietly withdrew the police report.

Boozer also remained eligible academically by taking several hours of summer classes, the same summer that he was playing for USA Basketball. No one ever explained how he could do that much schoolwork while not being on campus at all. This was in the days before online classes.

 

[UK90]

Sociology at Duke = AFAM at UNC.

Well, in fairness, I think sociology is perceived that way at nearly every large university. Seriously, has anyone ever taken a hard sociology class?

Your link does not really describe an analogous situation to the UNC/AFAM thing. It merely says they were taking "easy" classes ...well, there's nothing surprising there, every large school has those designated easy "jock classes" disproportionately filled by athletes. But the UNC/AFAM scandal was not about the paper courses merely being easy, instead it's that they were not real classes at all.

 

[justanotherguy505]

Obviously you won't find any facts with proof about Duke cheating; if it was out there... like, actual facts with proof... Duke would have gotten in trouble. The same is true with nearly every program.

Traditionally people go after Duke for a few stories.

One is the Duhon one; namely, that Duhon's mother got a job as part of his agreeing to attend Duke. There aren't really any facts or proof there... Duhon's mom got a job in the field she was working in. Some people say that she wasn't qualified or whathaveyou, but that all comes from that single article that was linked earlier, and one or two sources... an article which also paints owning a Nissan Altima and a decade old SUV as a possible issue, so it may not be entirely on the up and up. I've never seen anything more about it. Not a good look, for sure, but not facts or proof.

The Maggette thing didn't have anything really to do with Duke; at no point did anyone suspect Duke of doing anything involving it. The NCAA had other players who got wrapped up in the same situation and had to sit a few games. They said that that was not a possible option with Duke since Maggette was already gone, and that wiping all the games out would be both over-the-top and inconsistent with what they had done with the other players. It really has nothing to do with Duke, and was consistent with how the NCAA has treated these sorts of things over the years (for example, John Wall sitting a game or two because of... what was it, a plane ticket?)

The Lance Thomas one is one that looks bad, but again, you won't find anything close to proof or substantiated information. Thomas went to a NYC jewelry store when the team was on a trip there and spent 100k on some REALLY ugly jewelry. Or more accurately he spent 30k, and then the other 70k was a "loan" from the store. The store then said he defaulted on it. That's it; nobody involved has talked about it openly. It would be odd for this to involve Duke; he wasn't a recruit when this happened, but a senior, and it happened many states away from campus and in a store with no obvious Duke connections, to it is unlikely that the staff organized this as some free payoff or whatever. The more likely scenario is that he got the loan based on his potential future earnings as an NBA player, although at the time NOBODY thought Lance Thomas would play professional ball anywhere other than possible Tibet. This would create a situation where he was ineligible. But again, you won't find "proof" or anything like that.

I admit I don't know a lot about the Zion thing... something about a house. Everyone seems to have some story settled upon. Until an actual reporter gets on it, rather than some random message board poster, I'd treat that as a bit suspicious.

So yeah, you aren't going to find what you want.

(Having said that... as a Duke guy, I am sure the program is dirty in SOME way... to me, the Duhon story, for example, seems very likely to have been some improper setup. But I also am a person who thinks that EVERY program, unfortunately, works this way... when there are billions of dollars involved, that happens. Fingers crossed that I am wrong!)

Hmm, join date of April 15, 2010, one week after Duke won the National Title. Sounds like another bandwagon Duke "fan".

 

[YouKay]

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that a sociology degree at Duke is the same as what we all recognize as one of the biggest shams in college basketball history. Having been an athlete at Duke myself, I've taken plenty of classes with basketball players, and studied with basketball players, and the like. Some were crappier students (and even transferred out... Joey Beard couldn't care less) and some were excellent students... Grant Hill and Carmen Wallace were SERIOUS students. Sociology might not be engineering, but it is a real degree with real requirements, and from my own personal experiences the basketball players have to take the classes the same as anyone else.

As for players being admitted who were not at the same level as the typical Duke student... well, yeah. That happens across many different schools in many different sports.

There was an entire ESPN Outside The Lines episode about it, which that article referred to. I remember it well. Almost no non-athletes in those days went to Duke to major in sociology. Most of the classes were filled with athletes.

Look, every college with a sports program has its "rocks for jocks" classes. But not every one holds itself up as sanctimoniously as Duke does (and UNC did) and pretend it is something special academically.