Hubbard officially returning**
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Sure hope Jan’s can get some players to help him otherwise it’ll be another wasted year of his talent. Unfortunately Jan’s history shows he can’t.
These days, I really do question “finished what I started.” announcements because it’s too easy to understand it as nobody would take me in the TP so I’ll just stay where I’m at.
That was most certainly not the case here. I assure you that he could have named his destination.
Jans is literally the most successful Mississippi State basketball coach in history.
I get we sucked this year. He missed badly in the portal. But damn, y'all are acting like he's Rick Ray.
How many NCAA wins does he have?
Who cares? He made the tournament. He owns over 20% of our appearances. Let's not act like we are this basketball mecca.
If he sucks next year, he deserves to be fired.
It’s easier than ever to just make it. But McCarthy, Williams & Stans were all better coaches. All have an SEC championship & NCAA wins (although McCrsthy was a regional consolation final ot was part of the tournament).
Have to have 2 or more IMPACT portal guys or retaining Hubbard is borderline irrelevant. A ball handling wing type and a big man. I’m not holding my breath.
Get the man some help around him!
A true point guard would be nice as would a 6-9 Forward that can bang inside and knock down some 3’s and a big man C that controls the paint.
Is that too much to ask ?
Oh and 3 bench guys that could start if needed and give some much needed minutes when someone gets in foul trouble or needs a 3 minute breather.
A true point guard would be nice as would a 6-9 Forward that can bang inside and knock down some 3’s and a big man C that controls the paint.
Is that too much to ask ?
Oh and 3 bench guys that could start if needed and give some much needed minutes when someone gets in foul trouble or needs a 3 minute breather.
We have entered the days of fans attending games to see the one star player play and then, maybe to see the team win. The team winning is not the primary reason to go to the game. And to market that franchise player with your brand, and sell the merch.
Just like NBA ticket and merch sales.
Just like NBA ticket and merch sales.
They also coached in a whole different era than today in just the SEC alone.
Josh is talented enough to play for anyone.
I would argue that the brand value of Josh playing for Miss State is greater than winning games and going to the NCAAT. Unless we got to the Sweet 16 or farther, which is about a 10x roster investment.
I don't think he's Rick Ray at all, but I definitely don't think he's anything close to the coach many on here seem to think he is. I doubt he has another team as good as his tourney teams again before he's gone.
Literally no one is acting like he’s Rick Ray. But he’s nowhere near the most successful coach we’ve had.
His recruiting has definitely been on par with Rick Ray. Possibly worse
I want to believe that he’s a good coach, and the things he did with those first two rosters has bought him some time. However, the combination of zero postseason wins in 4 seasons and his abysmal recruiting isn’t helping his case. Nor is the Top 20 salary that he’s being paid
It’s been sub optimal. But you need to revisit the Rick Ray years if you think it’s even close to that disaster. Even this year was better than anything Rick Ray ever did.
Final Fours are our standard...
I will say that he seems to have pivoted to a more offensive style to suit Hubbard. He’s a defensive guy and should be building around that but instead he’s doing the opposite.
On the other hand why would you not build around Hubbard?
Either way, it may or may not cost him his job. I know, duh, shocking information. But he will land on his feet somewhere and be good again. Makes me wonder about MSU in general.
The problem is all the "offensive" players we recruit turn into bricklayers under Jans.
Rick Ray wasn’t the answer but in 2014-2015, we were 13-19 and 6-12 in the conference and he was canned.
This year, we were 13-19 and 5-13 with 8-10 games in which Jans had his **** handed to him and was totally embarrassed. Ben howland’s recruits and Hubbard have saved Jans til now.
If we look as bad as we did last year at the Christmas break, he needs to be gone and brooks and Padgett need to follow him out the door.
I have to say, I’m not optimistic. We need a major portal haul if we want to even be competitive.
If we’re comparing recruiting stars, sure. I agree that it’s not even close, but here are the freshmen that Jans has signed over the last 4 years. The book’s not closed for a couple of the younger guys, but as of today…. there’s just one name on the list that has done anything for us. Then, of course we all know about all of the whiffs in the portal
Kimani Hamilton
Marcus Russel
Gai Choi
Josh Hubbard
Adrian Myers
Trey Fort
Jaquan Scott
Harrison Alexander
Dellquan Warren
Eric Paymon
Sergej Macura
King Grace
Tee Bartlett
Davis Fleming
Cameron Paul
The one time McCarthy was allowed to go to the tournament he lost to the eventual national champion in the first round. That team was arguably the least of the four he had that won the SEC. Had we been allowed to go all four of those years who knows what might have happened. That was the era where modern college sports blue blood‘s blood was turning blue. Another thing we can blame on what was an essentially an Ole Miss dominated state government back then.
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Some of y'all are losing sight of just how BAD those Ray teams were.
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Jans got away from what he is catering to Hubbard. Richard Williams would never have done that. Watching Williams break the colt that was Donte Jones may be my best overall memory as a state fan. That turned that team into what it was down the stretch. It's certainly the best coaching job for an individual player I've ever seen at MSU in any sport.
