You can't believe anything the Chinese government has to say. But you shouldn't believe any wacky conspiracy about them either.
How long will this last?
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Everything I am reading is it was the lock-down method. It was bad there for a few weeks. Hospitals were overrun, a lot of people died. People smuggled out video of it and apparently its horrifying. But they closed Wuhan and its neighboring province in a way that everything just flat out stopped. After 2 weeks of that, it got better. Most contaminated surfaces were fine at that point, and anyone that was sick at the end of 2 weeks could be a lot more easily quarantined.
The other method that worked was South Korea, but we cannot replicate that, we're too far past it.
For how long? You can't lock the country down for 18 months. Even Governor Cuomo said we have to get the economy going again. Once we can test to see who has all already had the virus, those people can go back to work. Keep the elderly/vulnerable at home a while longer.
No. I clicked on the link for the charts. Then look at the people who did it. I'll leave it up to everyone to do their own vetting and make their own conclusions
That last thing you said doesn't work. They already thought of that in the Netherlands and a few other places then abandoned the idea. It isn't feasible.
Not for 18 months. IF we actually locked down, this would be over in a matter of weeks. But we aren't doing that, so we're ******.
Basically, what you want to do is stop all movement, help those that are sick and getting sick, and stop the virus from moving. After 2-3 weeks, it will die off, and after about a month or so the economy can start getting woken back up again.
In the interim, we aren't even using the Defense Production Act to produce emergency supplies. It just shows you how this is not being taken seriously, still, at the leadership level.
it, like everything, is a dogmatic issue.
people love to be right in their predictions and have a very hard time admitting when they're wrong. yes, even when it comes to issues of public health.
That's not realistic. Millions of people still have to work to keep society running - healthcare workers, manufacturers, truckers/delivery drivers, grocery store workers, police officers/firefighters, EMTs, sanitation workers, janitors, public utility workers, plumbers, electricians, HVAC, pharmacists, mailmen, farmers. You can't stop all movement, or you would have a breakdown of society. Also, 2-3 weeks of complete lockdown would kill all small businesses.
New York City is bad, and we should force everyone who can to stay home there (2/3 of all new cases are in NY). Don't let people travel outside of the city. But outside of NYC, it is not a major crisis in most places and likely won't be. I see tons of people out in public here in Lincoln and we only have 2 cases. Any place that does not have a major airport and is not densely populated is unlikely to become overwhelmed.
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It's an app called WeChat (might be spelled differently). Essentially that app is like WhatsApp, but also has their monetary system hooked up to it, so it's all they use to spend money these days, is an app on their phones. It's probably too far a jump to just assume that a dead cell phone equals a dead person, but I'm positive about the WeChat app being what you were referring to.
The Virus is bad, and if the govt doesn't officially shutdown the country for a month or 3 months, the virus will effectively shutdown the economy for a longer period of time. With people going back to normal, it will spread again and since the Virus is bad a lot of people will die, with that people will stay away from things as much as possible so they don't die. It's best to shut everything down but we aren't/can't so this will drag out impacting huge parts of the economy until a vaccine is available (12 to 18months).
We definitely can't let this spread to the point of several million needing ICU ventilators at the same time. Huge risk, there is not going to be a back to normal until a vaccine one way or the other.
This wont work.
Anyone is still vulnerable doing this. Do we close all borders,flights? In the fall, itll come back anyways.
We have to have some people with built up antibodies, then, the virus dies if it gets on them, spread stopped.
Until theres a vaccine,damned if we do and damned if we dont
It's bad in NYC. A very densely-populated city that is a major tourist destination with multiple international airports, and where everyone takes public transportation. It likely will not get as bad anywhere else, as long as the elderly/vulnerable continue social distancing, and the high rate of testing continues. The only other major outbreak was in a nursing home in Washington, and that state's curve has since been flattening.
Dr. Fauci seems to agree with me:
30 day shelter at home starting Thursday in Springfield, MO. Local doctors asking for 90...ugh
That depends on how much people are self sacrificing by doing it already.
If they have,spread will be more like so korea, but only in parts of the country.
Other parts, shy of Italy, just better and more cares there.
We are not ####ed. A Nobel prize winning scientist from Stanford University stated to an LA Times reporter just a couple of days ago that at least on the west coast they are near the peak and that the number of cases will soon start to decline. He said that social distancing is the most effective tool we can use. He also correctly predicted the number of cases and fatalities in China and the time at which the cases would start to decline. Just practicing good hygiene, quarantining POSITIVE people and having the rest of the populace follow social distancing is enough to control the outbreak. No doubt this is going to go on for months but shutting down the entire country for months is not the answer and is unnecessary. The problem thus far has been getting people to comply with social distancing. The areas that do (my area) will see very little community spread. Bars and restaurants were already closing before the governor strongly suggested it. Young numbskulls and old drunks have been the main problem lately with spread.
New York tried to do what Omaha unfortunately did. In the face of known community spread people ignored social distancing and bars and restaurants were still operated at full speed. Cuomo resisting doing what many restaurant and bar owners in my little hamlet did yesterday without any order to do so and we haven't had any cases in our immediate area yet. There was one case a ways down the road in a person who had traveled out of the state. It was caught early and he was shipped to Omaha. With all of the mouths I suddenly have to feed I've made a couple of trips to the grocery store and Walmart over the past couple of days and people are being very very careful and compliant IMO. We'll be fine now that most people have the crap scared out of them. The number of local cases are going to go up in Omaha and Lincoln especially, but IF we keep practicing social distancing and very fastidious personal hygiene we'll be okay IMO.
I've referenced an LA Times article several times by Joe Mizono where he interviewed Michael Levitt a Nobel prize winning scientist at Stanford. You'll feel alot better about where we're at if you read it. We're taking the necessary steps and IF people follow the rules there should be no reason for a national lockdown.
Thing is though even if things are ok in some areas, we will still need all areas to flatten out. Louisiana is starting to blow up. Where next?
Probably every major city who waited too long to get it's citizens on board will have major problems. Hell in New Orleans they couldn't get people to go to higher ground before Katrina. How in the hell are they going to convince them to practice social distancing. You can't fix stupid. There's going to be a whole lot of ugliness over the next couple of weeks but we'll get through it now I think. The alarm is being heeded all across the country. The spring breakers amplified this thing greatly. Hope they had fun.
IMHO we will still have to prevent traveling to shut this down. Can’t have it rampant in a major city and expect it to shut down country wide if people are still traveling in and out of those areas.
By intentially trying to build up people with antibodies we run the risk of millions needing ICU and ventilators at the same time, nightmare risk.
I think travel is pretty well shut down. The only people doing much of any traveling are kids trying to get home from school etc. You can't stop them from doing that. That would be stupid. The spring break deal was a HUGE problem but it's done. I've been saying that by May 1st we'll maybe be over the hump. I'm sticking to that. The next 2-3 weeks still will be ugly in our cities but it's not going to be as bad as it would have been had people not shouted this from the rooftops.
I hope you are right. In Omaha we truly don’t know the extent of the problem is yet.
The only thing that's changed for me is I can't go out to eat.
I still go to work - not from home. I go to the store. I go pick up food. Etc.
In nawlins, people were flicking blood on others at the height of the aids situation. It's a party principle down there, they don't want to shut down bourbon street.
I read a nice report, one I believe is likely world wide, where drug traffic is collapsing, no one to distribute to others as it comes in.
There's going to be alot of jonesin going on,for better or worse.
I've read Levitts predictions, nice analysis, he understands the waves of visuses,how strong and how long.
It's almost as if sees it as an animal, knows its size and strength, glad we have him.
I think some things start going normal in june. Not sure of all the contingencies, but knowledge,formed habits and needs will allow for it.
No one is trying, it's already here, the better at the beginning, the more you pay down the road.
There's who knows how many people effected, only 10-20% actually need any kinds of care.
That leaves 80-90% of those already infected to be free to restart some things.
If the vaccine doesnt hit til next year,what do you think is going to happen?
Just let those with antibodies do nothing like the rest?
Treat the country like 50 individual countries. Wyoming might need different approaches VS Louisiana. Florida should just be locked down forever just because. Whenever we come out of this the virus will still be there and round 2 may be more of the same. It's why I can't see how football happens
because they don't want you to have one, they want the health care workers to have them, they're in short supply, a shortage masks.
I know. I'm trying to figure out how giving 7 masks to everyone would help if they don't protect you.
Surgical masks that you see people running around in public with with not help you. There are PPE masks that will.