How long will this last?

[dinglefritz]

I heard it was three R and one D. Doesn't matter to me. I don't listen to propaganda from either side. I do disagree though. We didn't have the same warning. What we had was conflicting information. And also a blatant lack of alarm. The senators heard directly from government health officials in late January and were alarmed enough to sell millions in stock-- their money, obviously they believed very strongly in it to make that drastic of a financial move-- they didn't say a word about that concern PUBLICLY until weeks later.

I personally was alarmed in late January. I was hoping it would die out in China like SARS mostly did. I think it's a really bad look on their part Diane Feinstein is probably in trouble and the others should be too. The best comment I heard was from a Fox new guest who said, "if you are uncomfortable telling the public what you are going to do, you shouldn't do it". Clearly Feinstein and the Republican lawmakers acted out of precaution not because they KNEW the market would tank as badly as it did.

I'm not nearly as upset about this as most people are I guess and we've lost roughly a half million in paper value. I live in the real world and whether we like it or not institutional investors and powerful people are ALWAYS the first to know. It's why I don't try to out think the futures boards or the stock market. I've been saying for about a year that the stock market was likely going to have a steep correction and yet I couldn't get my wife to agree to more than putting 50% in to a fixed income vehicle. Greed gets you every time.

 

[RedMyMind]

Idiots.

 

[dinglefritz]

Idiots.

Good. More sources of hyperimmune globulins. Send all of the college kids on spring break then throw them in an internment camp and start harvesting their plasma.:Cool::Cool:

 

[RedMyMind]

Good. More sources of hyperimmune globulins. Send all of the college kids on spring break then throw them in an internment camp and start harvesting their plasma.:Cool::Cool:

In return, they will lower their student debt 5%.

 

[SoFL Husker]

Good. More sources of hyperimmune globulins. Send all of the college kids on spring break then throw them in an internment camp and start harvesting their plasma.:Cool::Cool:

Except none of them are really at risk...they are kids. I wasn't afraid of the flu when I was a kid either.

Out of nearly 45,000 confirmed cases in China through Feb 11, there was only ONE death in someone younger than 20, according to the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and no deaths among children younger than 10.

Out of 731 confirmed and 1412 suspected cases of Covid-19 in children in China, one child, a 14 year old boy, died, according to a new study that will be published in the journal Pediatrics in June. Also, nearly 6% of children's cases were sever, compared with 18.5% of adults experience severe symptoms, the study found.

 

[dinglefritz]

Except none of them are really at risk...

Out of nearly 45,000 confirmed cases in China through Feb 11, there was only ONE death in someone younger than 20, according to the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and no deaths among children younger than 10.

Out of 731 confirmed and 1412 suspected cases of Covid-19 in children in China, one child, a 14 year old boy, died, according to a new study that will be published in the journal Pediatrics in June. Also, nearly 6% of children's cases were sever, compared with 18.5% of adults experience severe symptoms, the study found.

You can't trust anything that lying government says. That said, I think closing beaches only moves the problem indoors which is worse.

 

[SoFL Husker]

You can't trust anything that lying government says. That said, I think closing beaches only moves the problem indoors which is worse.

Firstly, hats-off to your wife and those fighting this on the "front-lines." They are the real heroes in this battle.

Lastly, I think we will all look back at this outbreak in shock at the sheer and utter hysterical/desperate/paranoid response from our leaders in the medical field and in government.

The plan has been to ratchet up fear to a frenzy and deal with the fallout.

 

[SoFL Husker]

My quotes are on the back of an article about a 12-year old girl in Georgia fighting for her life, she was admitted for pneumonia and tested positive for the Covid-19 virus, who knows if she got it while in hospitalization, but she is still fighting for her life...

In cases of about 2500 patients in the US whose ages were known, no ICU admissions were reported for those under age 19...

 

[ThereIsNoPlace_rivals38755]

Thank you to @dinglefritz & @Solana Beach Husker for their informative posts.

I'm interested in your thoughts, and other posters of course, regarding this article I found to be very educational.

Why the Coronavirus Has Been So Successful

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/biography-new-coronavirus/608338/

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

My quotes are on the back of an article about a 12-year old girl in Georgia fighting for her life, she was admitted for pneumonia and tested positive for the Covid-19 virus, who knows if she got it while in hospitalization, but she is still fighting for her life...

In cases of about 2500 patients in the US whose ages were known, no ICU admissions were reported for those under age 19...

And some want to lower the voting age

 

[SoFL Husker]

Thank you to @dinglefritz & @Solana Beach Husker for their informative posts.

I'm interested in your thoughts, and other posters of course, regarding this article I found to be very educational.

Why the Coronavirus Has Been So Successful

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/biography-new-coronavirus/608338/

The Atlantic = Fear Mongering, and I've read everything they have said to-date...they just hope this leads to a political leadership change IMO

 

[dinglefritz]

Firstly, hats-off to your wife and those fighting this on the "front-lines." They are the real heroes in this battle.

Lastly, I think we will all look back at this outbreak in shock at the sheer and utter hysterical/desperate/paranoid response from our leaders in the medical field and in government.

The plan has been to ratchet up fear to a frenzy and deal with the fallout.

They HAD to get the public to take this very seriously. This is still going to get MUCH worse and if we had low key this thing would swallow us whole.

 

[dinglefritz]

The Atlantic = Fear Mongering, and I've read everything they have said to-date...they just hope this leads to a political leadership change IMO

The Atlantic is a rag. It pisses me off that my Yahoo home page puts up probably 20 articles by outlets like the Huffington Post or Atlantic for every one by Reuters writers.

 

[ThereIsNoPlace_rivals38755]

Damn, sad state of affairs if you can't just read an article for content and not be triggered by it's source.

 

[dinglefritz]

Damn, sad state of affairs if you can't just read an article for content and not be triggered by it's source.

The problem is the overwhelming political bias so many outlets have. Reuters IMO is one of the most straight news outlets I've found and they cover international stories with multiple writers with varying views.

 

[ThereIsNoPlace_rivals38755]

The problem is the overwhelming political bias so many outlets have. Reuters IMO is one of the most straight news outlets I've found and they cover international stories with multiple writers with varying views.

I know, damn apple news has a hold of me on all my devices right now. I honestly don't have a lean to either political side so I am reading for informative content..unlike many.

You've been good and want to ask you to keep up with sharing your knowledge.

 

[mwulf]

Good map resource here

https://covidactnow.org/state/NE

 

[ThereIsNoPlace_rivals38755]

America has 70 million people over 60. Yeah, Italy has a lot of old men who smoke and have bad hearts. What is America full of fit and skinny young people? We are the sickest, fastest, and one of the oldest nations on the planet. We have little knowledge of self-care and self-management and our health care system is designed to encourage sickness and treatment and not prevent treatment. Every single fiber of society should move to prevent treatment in a pandemic but that isn't how this the things works in America...Germany, South Korea have semi-intelligent and healthy populations who believe personal responsibility for ones health. America does not.

There is hope...America does not regularly live in multi-generational setups...Italy and Spain do...we have more space in general and we value separation and independence from friends and family. We aren't as old and our elderly are separated in society and have a chance to stay isolated...

Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

Can you, or anyone else, speak to the medical/hospital market and how much is affected by a for profit industry? Might be a broad question, but I guess I'm curious if we would have more hospital beds if the bottom line wasn't the focus?

 

[newAD]

When people start coming to blows over toilet paper in WalMart like happened this past week we're not far off. The question is will the first riot be in New York or LA?

I missed this one last night:

 

[newAD]

For those in Douglas County:

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Damn, sad state of affairs if you can't just read an article for content and not be triggered by it's source.

They've done this to themselves, like defending media during a crisis, who asks questions that are harmful,not helpful.
So, we know so much about this virus we can go there? No. Yet, they do, but it's there job to find out about the virus, that there's so much to learn about for our health, our country, our economy etc.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

Can you, or anyone else, speak to the medical/hospital market and how much is affected by a for profit industry? Might be a broad question, but I guess I'm curious if we would have more hospital beds if the bottom line wasn't the focus?

The bolstering of the helps that are coming in by the fed will be much more than worrying about a profit margin.
First off, our stocks of PPEs was way low, other things like ventilators etc will have huge orders comparatively, so no ones left out, no ones allowed to cheat, though, there's other players who try, like the idiots who bought up all the sanitizer etc.

As per beds etc, without ventilator or PPEs for our doctors and nurses, beds wont matter, we have beds, not the problem.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

My town just had its second confirmed case (I live in smaller town minnesota and work for the post office so you can imagine my reaction to this one).

It was a school teacher. They only stopped school something like 10 days ago.

I'm 41 with asthma. I guess we shall see... because like my nurse wife said... "this whole town has it now it's just a matter of mitigation and survival."

 

[mwulf]

And some want to lower the voting age

21-65 should be the voting age and also the cap at how old you can be in office

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

Can you, or anyone else, speak to the medical/hospital market and how much is affected by a for profit industry? Might be a broad question, but I guess I'm curious if we would have more hospital beds if the bottom line wasn't the focus?

A pandemic plan doesn't necessarily mean having stockpiles of equipment. The private industrial complex works well enough during "peace time" to keep our hospitals stocked with plenty of the right supplies to treat the millions of people who are made sick by our society. So there is a lot of symbiosis between medical, insurance, pharma, industry, and food. They have been made very wealthy by the mass of obese, diabetics, and heart sick. What is needed is a clear plan that is put into place the moment a respiratory virus show community spread in a country. The plan would have tiers...so H1N1(2009) would have initiated a low level tier...lets say 100k ventilators....H1N1(1918) would initiate the highest level tier at 1 million ventilators, and Covid 19 somewhere in the middle. The industries would bid every 5 years for rights to produce products at a rate that changes with inflation and might receive tax break benefits for the privilege. That means on Jan 30th we would have started producing equipment including tests, we would have it isolated in Florida, New York, Washington, California and the rest of the country would have the testing to keep schools and industry flowing until they had community spread...which may never happen if the test was fast and easy enough. The economic impact from this is the fault of the federal government, CDC, and the lack of pandemic preparedness found through the states and fed. This is why Trumpy is so keen on a spending bill, he knows he has egg on the face...so does the rest of europe and asia but we don't vote on their leaders.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

21-65 should be the voting age and also the cap at how old you can be in office

If a president can send you to war you should be able to vote.

 

[SoFL Husker]

My town just had its second confirmed case (I live in smaller town minnesota and work for the post office so you can imagine my reaction to this one).

It was a school teacher. They only stopped school something like 10 days ago.

I'm 41 with asthma. I guess we shall see... because like my nurse wife said... "this whole town has it now it's just a matter of mitigation and survival."

So 70mil Americans over 60 is the number? And we've had 400 deaths in this country on 30k infections? And we can assume there are many, many multiples of infections over and above the 30k?

Then riddle me this? Why isn't our death count so much higher? Is that what is coming?

Cuz I got sick as hell during flu season with an upper-respiratory infection, took me like 2+ weeks to get normal, felt like straight-up ****.

Like I have been saying, it's a nasty flu virus, it kicked the **** out of China, Italy and Spain...but we have been pretty unscathed here so far. And unless this ramps up and kills hundreds of thousands, it was either contained effectively, or by my belief, not a big deal in the first place because it isn't the killer people believe it to be right now.

 

[Hoosker Du]

So 70mil Americans over 60 is the number? And we've had 400 deaths in this country on 30k infections? And we can assume there are many, many multiples of infections over and above the 30k?

Then riddle me this? Why isn't our death count so much higher? Is that what is coming?

Cuz I got sick as hell during flu season with an upper-respiratory infection, took me like 2+ weeks to get normal, felt like straight-up ****.

Like I have been saying, it's a nasty flu virus, it kicked the **** out of China, Italy and Spain...but we have been pretty unscathed here so far. And unless this ramps up and kills hundreds of thousands, it was either contained effectively, or by my belief, not a big deal in the first place because it isn't the killer people believe it to be right now.

We'll never truly know the actual mortality rate. The most we'll ever know is the total number that tested positive and negative when they take the test, and what happened to those people.

Of the 31,764 people that have tested positive in this country, only 592 cases have completely run their course, meaning they either recovered or died. Of those 592 that have run their course, 30% were released from the hospital or recovered and 70% have died.

We are just getting started. Only 1.87% of those people that tested positive have fully run their course with this virus.

 

[Headcard]

So 70mil Americans over 60 is the number? And we've had 400 deaths in this country on 30k infections? And we can assume there are many, many multiples of infections over and above the 30k?

Then riddle me this? Why isn't our death count so much higher? Is that what is coming?

Cuz I got sick as hell during flu season with an upper-respiratory infection, took me like 2+ weeks to get normal, felt like straight-up ****.

Like I have been saying, it's a nasty flu virus, it kicked the **** out of China, Italy and Spain...but we have been pretty unscathed here so far. And unless this ramps up and kills hundreds of thousands, it was either contained effectively, or by my belief, not a big deal in the first place because it isn't the killer people believe it to be right now.

Here is the real question. Why do you insist on calling this a flu virus, when it is not?

 

[bluenrg]

We'll never truly know the actual mortality rate. The most we'll ever know is the total number that tested positive and negative when they take the test, and what happened to those people.

Of the 31,764 people that have tested positive in this country, only 592 cases have completely run their course, meaning they either recovered or died. Of those 592 that have run their course, 30% were released from the hospital or recovered and 70% have died.

We are just getting started. Only 1.87% of those people that tested positive have fully run their course with this virus.

I think they might randomly sample the public at some point for antibodies to get a feel for undiagnosed cases

 

[Hoosker Du]

I think they might randomly sample the public at some point for antibodies to get a feel for undiagnosed cases

Very Good point. Very true. So like asking patients for consent during standard lab draws to do an antibody titer, at no cost to them...for scientific research?

You must be either in research or medicine.

 

[bluenrg]

Very Good point. Very true. So like asking patients for consent during standard lab draws to do an antibody titer, at no cost to them...for scientific research?

You must be either in research or medicine.

Not in medical industry. Just read a lot about the outbreak. I'm sure the researchers are very interested in this data. Not sure how they will get consent

 

[Hoosker Du]

Not in medical industry. Just read a lot about the outbreak. I'm sure the researchers are very interested in this data. Not sure how they will get consent

I think that's exactly how they would do it. During a standard lab draw for any other health issue diagnostic, they would ask for patient consent to use for epidemic research or something like that.

Not all would give consent, but with a certain number of blood draws they could extrapolate percentages of the U.S. and world populations that were carriers. Which would then give us accurate mortality rates. I'm sure that's what they probably did with the common flu to determine their mortality rates.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

Good map resource here

https://covidactnow.org/state/NE

Might want to vett the people who consorted to do that. Political bias??? Hmmm

 

[DudznSudz]

The Daily just did an interview with a guy who has been following this since January. We're completely ******.

 

[mwulf]

There cant be sports until at least November. When we come out of our caves the virus will still be there and people will still be spreading this thing. Teams will be wiped out and no one will be able to watch. This REALLY sucks.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/greg-cote/article241423176.html

 

[DudznSudz]

Reasons:

- We are not freezing in place and locking the country down. It's the only thing that actually works.

- Stupid people are not taking this seriously.

- It's already too far spread to stop from being a problem literally anywhere now.

Likely: Many, many people will get sick and a lot of people are going to die. New York, Seattle, Miami, and some of California are about to look like something out of a horror movie.

THAT may prompt national lockdowns in smaller cities and towns, like Omaha. But we will have to see.

 

[Headcard]

Might want to vett the people who consorted to do that. Political bias??? Hmmm

Not trying to call you out, but what do you imply by political bias? Do you consider this virus a political issue? Can’t believe anyone would be “pro virus”, no one benefits from this. I see red states and blue states alike in shutdowns. It seems to me much more a matter of public health and how to move forward.

 

[WHCSC]

Reasons:

- We are not freezing in place and locking the country down. It's the only thing that actually works.

- Stupid people are not taking this seriously.

- It's already too far spread to stop from being a problem literally anywhere now.

Likely: Many, many people will get sick and a lot of people are going to die. New York, Seattle, Miami, and some of California are about to look like something out of a horror movie.

THAT may prompt national lockdowns in smaller cities and towns, like Omaha. But we will have to see.

I'll take the under

 

[Ewooc]

Any guesses why Chinas numbers are so low compared to their population especially. Its not adding up to what the rest of the world is seeing. Was it their crazy lock down methods? Or are they lying about their numbers.
Was reading this conspiracy article. I wish I could remember the details, but basically everyone in china uses this card/ chip to purchase everything. It is a must to live and function in China. Assuming its issued by the government. Maybe Like an SSN here? Anyways I guess they can track their uses and movement or lack there of. It is said that millions of those have "went off line" over the last few months. Suggesting no longer being used and that person is dead.
If I can find the article again I will post it or if anyone else has additional info please fill in the blanks for me.