How do you explain Caleb

RUJMM78

Heisman
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He was injured last season and hasn't returned to be a offensive threat this season.
 

lilphilw

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Had a series of impressive games against B1G Ten competition 3 years ago with a beautiful looking jumper and short floater.
Am I wrong?

He was a decent option off the bench but I think people started overrating him when we realized he would be a starter this year. Also, the Clemson game made him look better than he is. He's always been very inconsistent and has struggled when he is a main scoring option. He's best when coming off the bench and we need offense. Otherwise, he has always been a player that chucks it up and gets hot once in a while. Will regularly get tunnel vision and chuck everything up once he gets the ball.

Settle him down and have him play more of a team game. Then maybe he can get back to being a starter.
 

Shell21

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Mar 23, 2004
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He’s trying to do too much. He’s not an offensive player and gets in trouble when he tries to do too much. Also him and Paul are holding the ball too much when they get it and not moving the ball quick enough
 

bac2therac

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Jul 30, 2001
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not a starter, he is a role player, Pikiell is forcing him to do what he isnt capable of

Remember several posters here felt Caleb was better than Geo and should start over him just because he made jumpers. He can do only so much. A role player, forcing him to be a starter will kill this team.

He can play great defense and can provide a spark off the bench
 

GORU2014

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He’s a bad shooter and we need to use him properly instead of having him run point and putting him in iso situations. Don’t think there’s much more to it than that.
 
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kcg88

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The second half of his freshman season was a hot streak and the rest of the time is his true talent level
 
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RUsojo

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Had a series of impressive games against B1G Ten competition 3 years ago with a beautiful looking jumper and short floater.
Am I wrong?
He played primarily point guard three years ago. And it was a small sample.

He’s not good and cannot play off the ball offensively.
 

Duff366

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He's had some really good moments, primarily in his first two seasons. He's one of the guys who's helped RU turn it around and has been a great glue guy.

Hope he can turn his offensive woes around. His shooting form looks different than his earlier years, maybe injuries and lack of confidence are taking it's toll
 

zappaa

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Jul 27, 2001
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He's had some really good moments, primarily in his first two seasons. He's one of the guys who's helped RU turn it around and has been a great glue guy.

Hope he can turn his offensive woes around. His shooting form looks different than his earlier years, maybe injuries and lack of confidence are taking it's toll
My point.
He had a very good looking stroke
 

ScarletDog

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Caleb is pushing the ball…release is messed up. Was watching him at the free throw line in Lehigh game. To me it’s like a little league pitcher who’s trying to point the ball over the plate rather than letting it fly.

ron has a funky release and motion too. No way he can be a consistent shooter with that stroke.
 
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MLBash93

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Caleb is the definition of a glue guy. He'll come in play good defense, usually be a steady player but won't ever take over or make a wow play.

He'll hustle, box out and rebound and get the occasional steal. He shouldn't be playing as a starter
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

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Sep 11, 2006
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I am wondering if there is a difference in time shooting inside the RAC vs their practice facility this year.

That is.. are they spending a lot less time shooting and practicing inside the RAC due to sharing the facility more? Or is it the same as they did last year?
 

goru7

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Dec 12, 2005
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My point.
He had a very good looking stroke
As some have said , his shooting motion and release point has changed. I do not know who messed up his mechanics because 10 -15 foot jumper and foul shots were pure and beautiful. Somebody has to get out his freshman and sophomore tape and compareand help him correct it. He used to just release and now he is aiming and consciously trying to get more arc on the ball. Surprised coaching staff of guards have not fixed the mechanics .
 
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Eagleton95.99

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Had a series of impressive games against B1G Ten competition 3 years ago with a beautiful looking jumper and short floater.
Am I wrong?
When he subbed for an injured Geo in 2019 he was a revelation and we won several games and started the winning streak that brought us to our new level in the top half of the B1G. On O was making shots, penetrating, dishing, posting up. But it hasn't been that way since.

I think there has been enough time now that we can assume that's not his average. Hopefully he gets hot again like that sometime this season and it wins us a few games.
 

Knights 1212

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As a freshman Caleb lit up Illinois for like 28 points on the road. He was on fire. I hope he can get back to being even close to that. One thing I do see is that when Caleb or Paul is at the top of the key the ball is held by either for a few seconds. The ball needs to move around much quicker to make the zone get more tired out.
 

bac2therac

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there was one hideous possession where Caleb threw the ball at Cliff's feet. We are seeing too many low bball IQ plays of him. My belief is that Pike has failed to define his role, we started to see these bad decisions crop up last year as well.
 

RUChoppin

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Dec 1, 2006
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I'm wondering if confidence is part of the issue?

Moving the lineback took three pointers outside his comfortable range. He may be tinkering with his mechanics to try to extend his range, but maybe that's forcing him to overthink and press?
 

4theknights

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Bingo! Several players on the team are lacking confidence right now, which has led them to overthink while on the court. Fans don't realize how important confidence is for a player. Players without confidence are lost.
So true…. Being patient with him and getting his confidence restored is huge…all he needs perhaps is just making a few shots… his energy especially off the bench and defense is worthy for some patience.
 

goru7

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Bingo! Several players on the team are lacking confidence right now, which has led them to overthink while on the court. Fans don't realize how important confidence is for a player. Players without confidence are lost.
One way to get his confidence back is to fix his mechanics and shots start going in and his confidence will increase. It is a real noticeable change of his shot from early in his career.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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I can make 3 foot putts with my eyes closed on the putting green. Some days I feel like I have no chance when I am on the course. Some days I know they are going in.

Confidence is almost everything.
 

zappaa

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I can make 3 foot putts with my eyes closed on the putting green. Some days I feel like I have no chance when I am on the course. Some days I know they are going in.

Confidence is almost everything.
I’d be able to see you’re yip on miss days, I’d know after your first 3 footer whether to give you the 2 footer or not.
If I see you’re stroke is good, I’ll give you the 3 footer.
Unless it’s a downhill snapper…lol
 

Greene Rice FIG

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I’d be able to see you’re yip on miss days, I’d know after your first 3 footer whether to give you the 2 footer or not.
If I see you’re stroke is good, I’ll give you the 3 footer.
Unless it’s a downhill snapper…lol
Holes 1 thru 6 give me every 3 footer. Hole 7 I'll be looking over at you and when you don't look back I am screwed
 
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richthedentist

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As some have said , his shooting motion and release point has changed. I do not know who messed up his mechanics because 10 -15 foot jumper and foul shots were pure and beautiful. Somebody has to get out his freshman and sophomore tape and compareand help him correct it. He used to just release and now he is aiming and consciously trying to get more arc on the ball. Surprised coaching staff of guards have not fixed the mechanics .
Surprised coaching staff has not fixed any of our guards
 

PSAL_Hoops

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I do believe he will improve on offense as the season goes on. He seems uncomfortable and a few shots falling will likely help a good deal. That said - his strength is defense and until I see 5 other guys playing convincing defense against a credible offense I’ll stick with my prediction of him needing to play plenty in crunch time regardless. If 4 other guys are scoring he’s not going to be too big a liability. The issue has been Paul and Geo being offensive liabilities these first few games too. We can’t have an entire backcourt not produce on offense together. Just doesn’t work.
 

BillyC80

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Oct 23, 2006
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My point.
He had a very good looking stroke
Looks to me like his back injury caused him to rework his stroke to put less stress on his back. Now he thinks too much about his shooting motion and it takes forever to release the ball.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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I do believe he will improve on offense as the season goes on. He seems uncomfortable and a few shots falling will likely help a good deal. That said - his strength is defense and until I see 5 other guys playing convincing defense against a credible offense I’ll stick with my prediction of him needing to play plenty in crunch time regardless. If 4 other guys are scoring he’s not going to be too big a liability. The issue has been Paul and Geo being offensive liabilities these first few games too. We can’t have an entire backcourt not produce on offense together. Just doesn’t work.
I'll take the sample size of B1G games over NEC or Patriot games. Doesn't mean I am not slightly concerned.
 

Anon1751594821

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Jul 28, 2001
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Too many guys look like they're playing with the weight of the world on their shoulders. They need to just go out there and BALL!
That is it. They need to just relax and not worry about things. For whatever reason, guys are afraid to miss shots or make a bad play.

You would think it would be the opposite with having gone to the NCAA tourney last year and would have made it the year before that they would have less pressure. I guess they are just concerned that people think that it is a fluke that Rutgers made the tournament. Go out and have fun! That includes all of the fans that live and die with every play....... Sure, we have not looked good yet, but our defense in the 2nd half of the Merrimack game was outstanding and things will be OK.

Best of Luck,
Groz
 
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AZBlues

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Looks to me like his back injury caused him to rework his stroke to put less stress on his back. Now he thinks too much about his shooting motion and it takes forever to release the ball.
This is what I think might be playing a part in Caleb's performances too. Back injuries can sometimes take a permanent toll on athletic ability, even after healing and intense rehab. The upper body/trunk flexibility, balance, and strength/explosiveness may never be quite as good as before the injury, and overall foot speed and agility can sometimes take a permanent hit too. Long after recovery there can still be varying degrees of chronic residual back stiffness and pain that can make it hard to have confidence in how one's body will react during the course of a shot or an athletic move. It's a shame if that's what Caleb's dealing with, and if so, it's not his fault or the coaches' fault.
 
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BillyC80

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This is what I think might be playing a part in Caleb's performances too. Back injuries can sometimes take a permanent toll on athletic ability, even after healing and intense rehab. The upper body/trunk flexibility, balance, and strength/explosiveness may never be quite as good as before the injury, and overall foot speed and agility can sometimes take a permanent hit too. Long after recovery there can still be varying degrees of chronic residual back stiffness and pain that can make it hard to have confidence in how one's body will react during the course of a shot or an athletic move. It's a shame if that's what Caleb's dealing with, and if so, it's not his fault or the coaches' fault.
I’ve experienced this personally and have had to adjust my motion for every sport (bball, softball, golf), to put less torque on my lower back (had a microdiscectomy at the L4/L5).