How did they get it so wrong?

Ewooc

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How did everyone get Nebraska so wrong. I mean I can understand our media being over hyped and drinking the koolaid. It seemed nearly every national "expert" were high on the Huskers as well. Even Vegas liked them. The BIG10 guys come in and praise us. Saying things like, " I really wanted to go against Nebraska, but after watching them I don't know how I can" "They look like a different team compared to last year" ect ect.....

So how did everyone get is so badly wrong? What did they miss? Is it simply we perform well/ coach well when it is against our own guys. But when we play teams with a pulse and who are able to make adjustments we cant hack it?
 

FrostBoner

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It takes years to develop a stout OL and especially DL. We don't have that. I knew Nebraska didn't care about winning the day Ed Orgeron begged Mike Riley to come to Lincoln as his DC. Whether it was Riley or the AD who said no is a whole new question. As we have it now, teams like Minnesota have better OL/DL units than we do. This isn't the Big XII.
 

DudznSudz

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How did everyone get Nebraska so wrong. I mean I can understand our media being over hyped and drinking the koolaid. It seemed nearly every national "expert" were high on the Huskers as well. Even Vegas liked them. The BIG10 guys come in and praise us. Saying things like, " I really wanted to go against Nebraska, but after watching them I don't know how I can" "They look like a different team compared to last year" ect ect.....

So how did everyone get is so badly wrong? What did they miss? Is it simply we perform well/ coach well when it is against our own guys. But when we play teams with a pulse and who are able to make adjustments we cant hack it?

Because sports journalists are all brain-damaged jocks or nerds who rely on stats. Both over-emphasize "recent history," so to everyone who has thinking problems, Scott Frost is a miracle worker in his second season running a team that got no respect the year prior.

It's superstitious hogwash printed by idiots, for idiots.

I blame Disney.
 

otismotis08

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...and if we had eeked out a victory last week, it would have been something like "Scott Frost's teams have learned how to win the close games".

They are all about the storylines.
 

Harry Caray

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How did everyone get Nebraska so wrong. I mean I can understand our media being over hyped and drinking the koolaid. It seemed nearly every national "expert" were high on the Huskers as well. Even Vegas liked them. The BIG10 guys come in and praise us. Saying things like, " I really wanted to go against Nebraska, but after watching them I don't know how I can" "They look like a different team compared to last year" ect ect.....

So how did everyone get is so badly wrong? What did they miss? Is it simply we perform well/ coach well when it is against our own guys. But when we play teams with a pulse and who are able to make adjustments we cant hack it?

We look good running the scripted plays at the beginning of games.

Unfortunately, when the opposing team makes adjustments, our coaches often don't have any answers.
 

Ewooc

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We look good running the scripted plays at the beginning of games.

Unfortunately, when the opposing team makes adjustments, our coaches often don't have any answers.
That is my biggest take away as well. Our coaches don't know how to readjust to other teams adjustments.
 

mkihne

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How did everyone get Nebraska so wrong. I mean I can understand our media being over hyped and drinking the koolaid. It seemed nearly every national "expert" were high on the Huskers as well. Even Vegas liked them. The BIG10 guys come in and praise us. Saying things like, " I really wanted to go against Nebraska, but after watching them I don't know how I can" "They look like a different team compared to last year" ect ect.....

So how did everyone get is so badly wrong? What did they miss? Is it simply we perform well/ coach well when it is against our own guys. But when we play teams with a pulse and who are able to make adjustments we cant hack it?
They are judging bodies, not mentality.......mentality not ready for prime time and hasn’t been for some time. Can’t keep the boot on the neck of other teams, turning any kind of lead into vaporware at the first hint of adversity.
 

c3o

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This season is far from over. We could still finish ranked right where we started. We lost last week. I believe the team needed it. Now they can let go of the hype and play ball
 

tone1017

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This season is far from over. We could still finish ranked right where we started. We lost last week. I believe the team needed it. Now they can let go of the hype and play ball
Exactly, it’s been two games. I get that that’s all we have to draw from but it’s an incredibly small sample size. This is not the finished product, we’ll see where we end up. Sure we could not improve all year and have a miserable season. We could also improve and win 8 or 9 games still. We lost one game, the season isn’t over, the program isn’t dogsh**. I get we are currently conditioned to think this is what we are but give it some time.
 

ridge222

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How did everyone get Nebraska so wrong. I mean I can understand our media being over hyped and drinking the koolaid. It seemed nearly every national "expert" were high on the Huskers as well. Even Vegas liked them. The BIG10 guys come in and praise us. Saying things like, " I really wanted to go against Nebraska, but after watching them I don't know how I can" "They look like a different team compared to last year" ect ect.....

So how did everyone get is so badly wrong? What did they miss? Is it simply we perform well/ coach well when it is against our own guys. But when we play teams with a pulse and who are able to make adjustments we cant hack it?

Still at lot of season left to get things headed in the right direction, but I most people wanted to believe the hype that is why it gained so much steam.

I think a lot of people turned a blind eye to the fact that you lost at 1,000 rusher and receiver from the previous year along with a lot of experience at the LB and safety spots. The 4-2 end to last season was a mirage, none of those wins was against team that were really that good. Time will tell, but I also don't think people thought Wisconsin or Iowa would have been as good as they have shown so far and the schedule looked favorable going in to the season.

People also I think forgot that this program has not won a meaningful game in a while. Riley's wins vs Oregon and Mich St were nice, but they didn't mean much. Probably the last meaningful win was Bo's last game vs Iowa that he won in OT.
 

frankluv

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Starts with our QB. If he plays anything like last year, then we would have deserved the hype. In baseball, they call it the sophomoritis jinx.
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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Still at lot of season left to get things headed in the right direction, but I most people wanted to believe the hype that is why it gained so much steam.

I think a lot of people turned a blind eye to the fact that you lost at 1,000 rusher and receiver from the previous year along with a lot of experience at the LB and safety spots. The 4-2 end to last season was a mirage, none of those wins was against team that were really that good. Time will tell, but I also don't think people thought Wisconsin or Iowa would have been as good as they have shown so far and the schedule looked favorable going in to the season.

People also I think forgot that this program has not won a meaningful game in a while. Riley's wins vs Oregon and Mich St were nice, but they didn't mean much. Probably the last meaningful win was Bo's last game vs Iowa that he won in OT.


Michigan State was a playoff qualifier - when was the last time we beat a team that after the regular season controlled their own destiny to a national championship?

It was year one for Riley -- I suspect had Frost beaten Michigan or OSU last year people would of thought it quite meaningful yet neither were in the same position as MSU after the regular season
 

DrAlan_Grant

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We haven't executed in game time. Simple as that. We look amazing on paper and seemingly practice. Not gonna point fingers at this point. I'll just wait and hope we work out whatever issues we have.
 

ridge222

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Michigan State was a playoff qualifier - when was the last time we beat a team that after the regular season controlled their own destiny to a national championship?

It was year one for Riley -- I suspect had Frost beaten Michigan or OSU last year people would of thought it quite meaningful yet neither were in the same position as MSU after the regular season

By meaningful I was talking about rivalry games like Wisconsin or Iowa or games that determine a division title especially late in the year.

It was meaningful for Mich St not Nebraska.
 

TruHusker

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People believe what they want to believe. Humans are very good at creating an alternate thought process which then becomes reality.

EVERY team has a small sample size of one or two. So what does that mean? Obviously teams can improve, stay the same or get worse just like their opponents each week.

There were warning signs but anyone who pointed them out was branded a traitor and called every name in the book. So you are left with sunshine pumpers.

This team has a long way to go to gain respectability. The first two opponents were not overwhelming talented and we still under performed or did we?
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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By meaningful I was talking about rivalry games like Wisconsin or Iowa or games that determine a division title especially late in the year.

It was meaningful for Mich St not Nebraska.

Yes Wisconsin and Iowa are our most important games and we need to start winning these - Much like Harbaugh was brought in with the need to beat MSU and OSU.

We are 0-2 currently. Need to win at least one of these this year -
 

Solana Beach Husker

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How did everyone get Nebraska so wrong. I mean I can understand our media being over hyped and drinking the koolaid. It seemed nearly every national "expert" were high on the Huskers as well. Even Vegas liked them. The BIG10 guys come in and praise us. Saying things like, " I really wanted to go against Nebraska, but after watching them I don't know how I can" "They look like a different team compared to last year" ect ect.....

So how did everyone get is so badly wrong? What did they miss? Is it simply we perform well/ coach well when it is against our own guys. But when we play teams with a pulse and who are able to make adjustments we cant hack it?
So Wrong? We lost a road game by 3 in OT because we have a punter kicking field goals. Many husker teams have lost in Boulder to inferior teams. National experts weren't "high" on huskers...they ranked us 24th....and they had us winning the weakest division in power 5 football based on schedule. Something that might still happen. GEEZUS
 

Dadmaster

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How did everyone get Nebraska so wrong. I mean I can understand our media being over hyped and drinking the koolaid. It seemed nearly every national "expert" were high on the Huskers as well. Even Vegas liked them. The BIG10 guys come in and praise us. Saying things like, " I really wanted to go against Nebraska, but after watching them I don't know how I can" "They look like a different team compared to last year" ect ect.....

So how did everyone get is so badly wrong? What did they miss? Is it simply we perform well/ coach well when it is against our own guys. But when we play teams with a pulse and who are able to make adjustments we cant hack it?
watch it.....you're teetering on the verge of being called a "BAD FAN"......


I've been called that, and worse,for much less than this blasphemous comment!
 

HuskerBruce81

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This season is far from over. We could still finish ranked right where we started. We lost last week. I believe the team needed it. Now they can let go of the hype and play ball


They needed to lose because they haven't lost enough the last several years.
 

jehresm

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Dirk from the OWH believes it's because Bo Pelini put some sort of voodoo curse on NU.

Or maybe we're still suffering from Pedeyshine or Eichorst's bad juju.
 

Dadmaster

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People believe what they want to believe. Humans are very good at creating an alternate thought process which then becomes reality.

EVERY team has a small sample size of one or two. So what does that mean? Obviously teams can improve, stay the same or get worse just like their opponents each week.

There were warning signs but anyone who pointed them out was branded a traitor and called every name in the book. So you are left with sunshine pumpers.

This team has a long way to go to gain respectability. The first two opponents were not overwhelming talented and we still under performed or did we?
I am laughing here.....I was just called out as a bad fan...and knowing nothing about football....and various other stupid things..... on a different thread for even questionings the fact that Frost has not proven anything yet as our head coach (except maybe a couple negative things)...and it doesn't look all the rosey for the rest of the year without some serious change by the players and even more so the coaching.
 

King Kong

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I am laughing here.....I was just called out as a bad fan...and knowing nothing about football....and various other stupid things..... on a different thread for even questionings the fact that Frost has not proven anything yet as our head coach (except maybe a couple negative things)...and it doesn't look all the rosey for the rest of the year without some serious change by the players and even more so the coaching.
It is early, let's hope we see some major improvement and quick. Frost has to share in some of the blame he was all rose-colored glasses and cocky too. Lots of small things negative things have crept into our play, plenty of blame to go around. now let's put up or shut up. Let's salvage a decent season.
 

Ewooc

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So Wrong? We lost a road game by 3 in OT because we have a punter kicking field goals. Many husker teams have lost in Boulder to inferior teams. National experts weren't "high" on huskers...they ranked us 24th....and they had us winning the weakest division in power 5 football based on schedule. Something that might still happen. GEEZUS
Pre season we had hype of a heisman level qb, most prediction us to win the west. We had many predicting 8-10 wins. We had one of the top JUCO RB coming in. We were even called a dark horse playoff contender. We had a dynamic fresh incoming who some were comparing to Moore. That team does not lose to CU, not even close. That team does not let South Alabama stay in the game until the 4th.
 

oldjar07

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So Wrong? We lost a road game by 3 in OT because we have a punter kicking field goals. Many husker teams have lost in Boulder to inferior teams. National experts weren't "high" on huskers...they ranked us 24th....and they had us winning the weakest division in power 5 football based on schedule. Something that might still happen. GEEZUS
Agreed, a lot of teams lose early on to teams they shouldn't and go on to have a good year. The most disappointing thing for me is Colorado looked like they came out with way more energy in the second half than we did. But I saw a lot of positive signs I didn't think we'd see after week 1. The defense, offensive line, and Adrian all played very well in the first half. If we could keep that up for a full game, we could be a damn good team.
 
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The lack of adjusting to opponent’s adjustments concerns me a little bit. Something as simple as delayed second level blitzes after GCG had committed to their blocks in pass protection, the inexperience at center and guard attributed to that.

Tucker is a very good defensive mind, but there have to be counters to that delayed pressure where you can take advantage of it rather than it lead to hurried passes and poor decisions.
 

Sporty

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If the rush is coming in the middle as it was please explain why all of a sudden it appeared AM was made a pocket passer? (Not his strength even!) Add in our tackles and our TE's all have experience!
 

oldjar07

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Pre season we had hype of a heisman level qb, most prediction us to win the west. We had many predicting 8-10 wins. We had one of the top JUCO RB coming in. We were even called a dark horse playoff contender. We had a dynamic fresh incoming who some were comparing to Moore. That team does not lose to CU, not even close. That team does not let South Alabama stay in the game until the 4th.
8 wins isn't necessarily out of the question. People calling us a playoff contender are idiots and the Heisman talk was obviously premature. Does Adrian have Heisman potential? Maybe someday but he has to keep improving and can't regress like he has so far this year.
 

Solana Beach Husker

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8 wins isn't necessarily out of the question. People calling us a playoff contender are idiots and the Heisman talk was obviously premature. Does Adrian have Heisman potential? Maybe someday but he has to keep improving and can't regress like he has so far this year.
I honestly would be neutral if we made a bowl game. We are one injury from collapse at qb, rb, wr, c, olb, and s....maybe there is somebody who steps up but we should expect to have at least 1 game with Vedral starting, w/o Mo, Robinson, and we could have division II center, or have to rearrange to 4/3 because we don't have the bodies at olb.
 

Ewooc

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I honestly would be neutral if we made a bowl game. We are one injury from collapse at qb, rb, wr, c, olb, and s....maybe there is somebody who steps up but we should expect to have at least 1 game with Vedral starting, w/o Mo, Robinson, and we could have division II center, or have to rearrange to 4/3 because we don't have the bodies at olb.
How did we end up with such a talentless team? Lack of development from previous staff? I could be wrong, but Im going to assume most of these upperclassmen had other D1 and or P5 offers coming out of highschool. It seems like less than 10 guys on our roster would get any serious playing time at any other p5 school.
 

Solana Beach Husker

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How did we end up with such a talentless team? Lack of development from previous staff? I could be wrong, but Im going to assume most of these upperclassmen had other D1 and or P5 offers coming out of highschool. It seems like less than 10 guys on our roster would get any serious playing time at any other p5 school.

Maybe it is the "christmas light principle". 1 really important piece missing that is unbalancing the offense, because honestly the defense is fine if the offense does its thing. My impression is we have a MASSIVE hole at the possession receiver position. We do not have a guy that will bail Adrian out on third down or while scrambling. Frost eluded to this when he said "we need to make a play work" and not wait for the scheme to get guys wide open. Wandale, JD, Noa, Mo are all slot guys and Adrian's arm motion makes it hard for him to fit balls in between the lbs and safeties when the guy is only 5'9. Tall receivers are the most desired for a reason. You can throw it up to them, and they are bigger targets when you have to lob a ball in between zones. We also don't have a physical receiver that will make a play on the ball. Warner is a guy who can box out a corner and understands how to sit in a zone and AM trusts him. Maybe the offense will change when we have that component.
 

Solana Beach Husker

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How did we end up with such a talentless team? Lack of development from previous staff? I could be wrong, but Im going to assume most of these upperclassmen had other D1 and or P5 offers coming out of highschool. It seems like less than 10 guys on our roster would get any serious playing time at any other p5 school.
I didn't know this until I saw Frost's speech at Offut. We lost 34 players to attrition since he has got here. 2/3rds of these would be upperclassman right now. There is no way to replace that outside of jucos and transfers and that is a dangerous proposition. A transfer is no replacement for a kid who should have been in S&C and scheme training for three years.
 

newAD

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How did everyone get Nebraska so wrong. I mean I can understand our media being over hyped and drinking the koolaid. It seemed nearly every national "expert" were high on the Huskers as well. Even Vegas liked them. The BIG10 guys come in and praise us. Saying things like, " I really wanted to go against Nebraska, but after watching them I don't know how I can" "They look like a different team compared to last year" ect ect.....

So how did everyone get is so badly wrong? What did they miss? Is it simply we perform well/ coach well when it is against our own guys. But when we play teams with a pulse and who are able to make adjustments we cant hack it?

How do we have fans that drink the Kool Aid and expect the world, and then 2 weeks later after the 1-1 start think the sky is falling?

How do we have fans who think that a team that has gone 23-27 in the last 4 years is all the sudden BACK before the first game is played?

Why is it that some fans think that just because Frost went undefeated in year 2 at UCF, that has any bearing on how Nebraska is going to do this year?

In 22 years we’ve gone from National Champs to chumps. It’s going to take time.
 

WuTang_Husker

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It was game 2. Lots of season left folks

Yes, but the problem is the OL isn't moving anybody out of the way and AM has regressed. Not sure how those two issues get fixed in season.

Those two issues will define how our season goes from here on out. If one can be fixed the season can be salvaged.

If I only had one choice it would be to get the OL fixed (not sure how or if possible this year). At least with a competent running game you can take the pressure off a clearly struggling QB and control the clock, not to mention take pressure off the defense.
 

chipotlehusker

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It takes years to develop a stout OL and especially DL. We don't have that. I knew Nebraska didn't care about winning the day Ed Orgeron begged Mike Riley to come to Lincoln as his DC. Whether it was Riley or the AD who said no is a whole new question. As we have it now, teams like Minnesota have better OL/DL units than we do. This isn't the Big XII.
and now look at what Orgeron is doing at LSU....
 

cecilB

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How did everyone get Nebraska so wrong. I mean I can understand our media being over hyped and drinking the koolaid. It seemed nearly every national "expert" were high on the Huskers as well. Even Vegas liked them. The BIG10 guys come in and praise us. Saying things like, " I really wanted to go against Nebraska, but after watching them I don't know how I can" "They look like a different team compared to last year" ect ect.....

So how did everyone get is so badly wrong? What did they miss? Is it simply we perform well/ coach well when it is against our own guys. But when we play teams with a pulse and who are able to make adjustments we cant hack it?
There was no contact when the BTN guys were in town. As for others,wishful thinking or little research.

It’s a long season. Can still join the fun with breaks...gonna take funny bounces and breaks!
 
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Because it's all BS. Nobody really has a clue until they actually see the product on the field.
I still think Nebraska is going to improve throughout the year. It will be better than last year at least.